Changing environment due to pollution

[riffleman 20]

earth will have to burn because i love steak

Do as you wish.iam also non-veg.

Our minister is veg so he request to all.

[Alex72 1]

About mayan's calender. Now, i dont know how that calendar was made, but should'nt there logically be an end of a calendar? Because if you wont have an end in your calendar then that calendar would be friggin big wouldnt it? :D

Anyway, i saw some people on tv talking to maya descendants, and when they asked them about the western craze about the worlds ending in 2012 due to the calendar they just ...laughed and said "No".

[riffleman 20]

Don't take mayan calender seriously.it is a thing of history only.

[schaefsky 0]

...

Riffleman - you won't convince "westerninans", they have completely other "civilization" , for them MONEY counts, not human being, not humanism, only MONEY, more money, more cars, more of everything

they not care that people die, they care to have cheaper PC, VGA, burger, whatever ,

but it is good that our governments do more to inform us

big role in information has Russian TV, they have many programs about what product failed in tests which not

while on west "marketing" "PR" (lies) are leading

comparable advertisement is forbidden in west as i know, you can be suit by company if you say "in tests in research laboratory it was found that your product had dangerous and polluting materials" cause they made their law to protect them

...

Interesting read for me, since I am german (and grew up in West Germany to be more specific).

Now, I am generalising and exagarating, but in german society IMO the general consensus is: "If a russian says it, it will probably be a lie."

I always find it very interesting to hear the opinions of "easterners" on political subjects.

So vilas, did you have a chance to compare let's say english news media to russian? Could you post your opinions about it, maybe with examples? Would really interest me.

I have to say that I personaly suspect russian media to be heavily censored and influenced, but you could say that about western news media, too, I think. Just we westerners do it a little more "subtle". My opinion.

On topic:

I do think climate has changed in recent years (shorter winters, almost no snow anymore where I live).

Whether this is attributed to polution or just the normal way the world goes around, I just don't know.

[vilas 477]

concerning Russian TV:

- remember war in Yugoslavia ?

there was on west shown "serbs killed albanians"

while later it was told that on picture there were sebrbs killed BY albanians

it was turned upside down

- don't you have problems with people sick, ill because of Chinese product ??

i work sometimes with Polish Market Surveillance, few times Customs

i know about children sick after licking toy, i know about girl with little burned feet after chinese adidas copy and i know about guy whom battery (R20) exploded in face by acid

maybe in Germany you have more market-protection and buy more expensive things, thats why you have no batery for few cents or boots for 2 euro

my opinion about "west" comes from fact that i live in country when all childhood was "under communism" and later i had this:

- my friend Konrad in 1993 lost his parents, father had car accident, he died

his mother factory was bought by other company and machines changed workers, she lost job cause owner wanted bigger profits :/

they had no food, she was borrowing money, she couldn't back money, she commited suicide

Konrad was 15 old, noone cared, state fucked us telling "now we have capitalism and everyone must care for themself"

so he became criminal

in socialism he would get social care from state

- studies,first work was printing house, owner was telling people company goes down and they must work harder and for free in saturdays (we had in 2002 over 20% unemployed)

what we found ? he was liar, company had very big profit, but he was stealing all, not dividing to people

we all worked hard, while he was taking all profits, building 3 houses (mountains, near see and in Warsaw) and some people worked for 200 euro to not loose "this job" as over 20% of people were unemployed and you need money to pay for flat, food

in Germany you have bigger unemployed care money in euro than i earn as being officer in one gov. agency

in Poland we almost have no care since communism collapsed, unemployment benefit is fiction and very low and very hard to get for 6 months

while in Germany you can live when you lost job

here you must steal

Russian TV shows many things which our media (i don't know what are UK, US media when it comes to market surveillance, dangerous products from China, poisoning chemical products in food say) are not informing

thats why i watch Russian TV

they say about polutions in some products, that normal man will not know

why i know ?

cause i said - i am officer in one of gov. agencies and i cooperate sometimes with police, customs, market surveillance, a lot of lawyers and etc.

but normal people won't have information "this sauce is made of chinese tomatoes" "this jacket is dyed by poisoning paint"

when i was eating cheap food (when i was too poor to have PC) i became allergic

i was strong man while 2 years of living in poverty took my health, every spring my eyes cry because of alergy, previously i had no problems at all

but for 1-2 years i had to eat cheapest food which eat poor people

it is all due polution, noone becomes alergic "just like that", it is caused by environment

do you know how many cats died in US because one food was poisoning ?

do you know how many children in Panama died because of poison in food?

in Australia 3-4 , in US also few, but cheap food in Panama caused 100 victims (France Mark.Surv. inspector told it )

if you not belive go to yours German market surveillance, go to yours sanitary-epidemical agency, go to your ecological-municipal-policeman etc. ask your doctors etc.

Russians say about it, Polish TV not

other thing that i like in Russian tv is lack of face protection of criminals

i think it is highest people law to be able to see criminal, maybe he hurted other person and you can call police to make him more punished for another crime ?

in PL we have (since capitalism) so high "privacy law" that one man can steal in your shop everyday, you cannot do anything to him , you can only call police, and prosecutor will release him "to low crime level"

and next day he will be pickpocketing people in your shop

if man raped someone... hugh, his face is covered, so you see in TV "police caught serial rapist" black rectangle on face...

and for example evidences are for 4 rapes while guy commited 10, but other victims won't see his face in TV to call and testify

if you say that Russian media are censored

than west too

why ?

cause west media are owned by companies

if company look for profit, they will not inform about other businessman doing dirty things, cause owner of TV station plays golf with those guys and do busines together

we had in Poland so much problems with private media like that, they have owners, owners are rich and do busines, play golf, drink, fu** bitches with other rich (sometimes dirty, mafia etc.)

who will tell about famous businessman poisoning area with dirty chemicals production ?

program in state-TV, not in private

cause in PL we have "busines center club", all businesman keep together, as "club of rich"

and one has TV, other has newspaper,other plant and this plant throw polution to river ... do you think his "friends from golf" will write about it in their newspaper/TV ?

"top 100" richest Poles list changes from year to year, some in prison, some yet not in prison, some avoiding prison...

at least Putin had balls to put some rich cheaters to prison, while our "liberal" government tried to destroy Market Surveillance

thats are facts

one mark.surv. inspectore once interrogated one guy:

"your carrots are near highway, do you eat them ? they have a lot of plumbum"

"i would never eat my carrots, i sell them"

do you know how much meat you need to have over 1 kg of curet from hiper-market ?

0.7

yes

from 700 g of meat they do 1 kg of cheap curet !

while you doing clean and traditional curet, you need 1.3 kg of meat to do 1 kg of curet

makes difference ?

traditional food not contain chemicals keeping water to have "heavier meat"

the same inspector told my about following situation:

"we took sauce to control, we calculated ingredients, all ingredients that were prescribed on box cost (wholesale prices from farmers) over 2 times more than sauce bottle, how is it possible?"

dirty polluting chemicalia are in use, simply you have no idea about it

Edited November 21, 2009 by vilas

[Baff1 0]

Everyone in the UK gets informed about dangerous products from China. (And they all get banned and sent back to China).

It makes front page news, it's on all the news channels.

State news channels and privately owned news channels alike.

Why would you imagine that we don't take the poisoning of our children as seriously as you do?

We have all the same health scares as everyone else in the world does.

We have government educational broadcasts most days. A state run media network. State curriculam in schools. Consumer groups (state and private). Consumer protection shows (state and private). Consumer magasines.

We get news shows from all round the world, (including Russia), every day on our TV's.

Everyone here has internet access.

We have health inspectors, all the same stuff everyone else does.

Edited November 21, 2009 by Baff1

[vilas 477]

so it seems that "Polish capitalism" is XIX century :(

seems like i live in most "liberal" country as you were 100 years ago, where "only rich have rights"

from "communism" we turned into third world "rich club ruled", law goes to way for "thin group interests protection" while in "communism" law was "for equality and for people, not individual"

we don't have such information, more , new gov. deleted headquarters of market surv. and pushed it under governor of province

if in Krakov inspector found something, in Gdans noone knows , cause it was weakened :(

in TV we don't have anything, all i know is from Russia or my job

in fact most of old EU countries are more socialistic, France, Germany, Sweden and such like have 10 more socialism (care about society and people) than we have

Edited November 21, 2009 by vilas

[Baff1 0]

I don't make the distinction between upper classes making the decisions or political classes.

It's all the same to me.

Communism, capitalism, socialism, equality is a core prinicple of all of them.

A system is only as just as the people who run it.

[vilas 477]

Communism, capitalism, socialism, equality is a core prinicple of all of them.

A system is only as just as the people who run it.

not always, cause sometimes "system" creates law that grips your hands

[Baff1 0]

The system doesn't. The people managing the system do.

Similarly

Cars don't run children over either.

Guns don't kill innocents.

The people operating them do.

If you see what I mean.

Edited November 21, 2009 by Baff1

[vilas 477]

if you say about "hand" and "system"

look at following example of Poland and few other countries:

we have "immunity" - lawyers wrote themself such law, that some lawyers, members of parliament and some more are not-touchable by law , they can drive drunken 200 km/h by city and you do them nothing

to become member of some professions (previous example lawyers) you need to be "verified" by commision of such guys and ... people "from family" can become judge or other profession which gives "not touchability and bonuses"

you know what happened ca. 2 months ago ?

there was football match police wanted to arrest most aggressive hooligans, one of them shown judge license and police couldn't do anything

"system" should be done in such way, that you cannot use it against people

another example:

one president of one city sold some flats (owned by state/city) to some people by suspicious low prices (imagine you own city flats and you sell them to small group for 1/5 value and they re-selling it for full price)

some internauts called him dirty words on forum, he pushed prosecutor office and police and those people now have problems, cause wrote what they think about such actions

sometimes people in system cannot do other way, cause they are obeyed by law

example another - one man was baker

he not wanted his bread (not sold) to be wasted, he was giving it for free to poor and homeless

and... he get in troubles cause tax inspection had to treat this as "gift tax"

and guy who wanted to help homeless (baker giving bread) get in big troubles :/

[schaefsky 0]

Hmm, don't know, but something comes to my mind:

I once read the story that someone in Berlin said shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall: What are you all celebrating for? Now there is no more communism (or "socialism existing in reality"), capitalism will show it's true face, because it doesn't have to compete anymore.

In my words: As long as there were "communist" countries, capitalism played nice to attract people to it. No more competitors - no more reason being nice.

There is a saying we have germany: our political system is referred to as "social captitalism". So some people here say that actually means: losses are being socialised, while earnings are privatised.

One could very clearly see that system in effect when some banks nearly went bancrupt because they gambled with the money.

[vilas 477]

yes, true, competition makes everything to care more and try be little better (at least)

but what do you think about what i read site ago answering to your post (about media information) ?

[schaefsky 0]

Sorry for not answering, was kind of in a hurry.

concerning Russian TV:

- remember war in Yugoslavia ?

there was on west shown "serbs killed albanians"

while later it was told that on picture there were sebrbs killed BY albanians

it was turned upside down

Pfew, difficult subject.

Like for almost every war, my answer would be that civilians (no leading politicians or leading military) simply don't know what is going on.

My personal point of view on the Ex-Yugoslavian conflict is that there were a lot of people running around killing each other.

However, it seems to me that the serbs got painted as the single culprits who were responsible for it. As far as I know (from internet sources that is), this is not the truth.

This was the first war germany was activly involved in after WW2. (We did for example sell equipment to make chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein however, the german G3 is as far as I know a often used weapon in african wars, I imagine the list goes on)

Milosevic has been painted as the new Hitler (just like Saddam), so that there was a "reason" for Germany to send troops. Having our history in mind, and the Yugoslavian and especially Serb history of resistance to the Wehrmacht / SS troops, this makes me sick. If you look for example at the genocide in Rwanda, it is very clear that our politicians don't give a shit about people getting killed - whether there are resources or whether the country has geo-strategic importance is what matters.

- don't you have problems with people sick, ill because of Chinese product ??

i work sometimes with Polish Market Surveillance, few times Customs

i know about children sick after licking toy, i know about girl with little burned feet after chinese adidas copy and i know about guy whom battery (R20) exploded in face by acid

maybe in Germany you have more market-protection and buy more expensive things, thats why you have no batery for few cents or boots for 2 euro

I think we have rather strict protection for consumer goods. And you can buy for example boots for 2 Euro in Germany, too. This however is not the normal thing, but rather poor people (for german standard) will buy these.

I for example come from a upper class of society (I liked to think of myself as being middle-class, however when I got older I realised that this is rather not the case).

my opinion about "west" comes from fact that i live in country when all childhood was "under communism" and later i had this:

- my friend Konrad in 1993 lost his parents, father had car accident, he died

his mother factory was bought by other company and machines changed workers, she lost job cause owner wanted bigger profits :/

they had no food, she was borrowing money, she couldn't back money, she commited suicide

Konrad was 15 old, noone cared, state fucked us telling "now we have capitalism and everyone must care for themself"

so he became criminal

in socialism he would get social care from state

- studies,first work was printing house, owner was telling people company goes down and they must work harder and for free in saturdays (we had in 2002 over 20% unemployed)

what we found ? he was liar, company had very big profit, but he was stealing all, not dividing to people

we all worked hard, while he was taking all profits, building 3 houses (mountains, near see and in Warsaw) and some people worked for 200 euro to not loose "this job" as over 20% of people were unemployed and you need money to pay for flat, food

in Germany you have bigger unemployed care money in euro than i earn as being officer in one gov. agency

in Poland we almost have no care since communism collapsed, unemployment benefit is fiction and very low and very hard to get for 6 months

while in Germany you can live when you lost job

here you must steal

We have a very good system of social care in Germany, but this is getting reduced because free-market will solve everything. Except when some banks get in financial trouble, then of course the state (that is, the people who actually pay taxes) has to take care of it.

Russian TV shows many things which our media (i don't know what are UK, US media when it comes to market surveillance, dangerous products from China, poisoning chemical products in food say) are not informing

thats why i watch Russian TV

they say about polutions in some products, that normal man will not know

why i know ?

cause i said - i am officer in one of gov. agencies and i cooperate sometimes with police, customs, market surveillance, a lot of lawyers and etc.

but normal people won't have information "this sauce is made of chinese tomatoes" "this jacket is dyed by poisoning paint"

when i was eating cheap food (when i was too poor to have PC) i became allergic

i was strong man while 2 years of living in poverty took my health, every spring my eyes cry because of alergy, previously i had no problems at all

but for 1-2 years i had to eat cheapest food which eat poor people

it is all due polution, noone becomes alergic "just like that", it is caused by environment

do you know how many cats died in US because one food was poisoning ?

do you know how many children in Panama died because of poison in food?

in Australia 3-4 , in US also few, but cheap food in Panama caused 100 victims (France Mark.Surv. inspector told it )

if you not belive go to yours German market surveillance, go to yours sanitary-epidemical agency, go to your ecological-municipal-policeman etc. ask your doctors etc.

Russians say about it, Polish TV not

Sorry, I really can not say anything about it, because I and people I know do not seem to have problems with bad products like this. If poorer people have problems I can't tell, because as stated I come from a rather upper-class of society and we like to be in our own circles, so to speak. Took a while for me to realise this.

other thing that i like in Russian tv is lack of face protection of criminals

i think it is highest people law to be able to see criminal, maybe he hurted other person and you can call police to make him more punished for another crime ?

in PL we have (since capitalism) so high "privacy law" that one man can steal in your shop everyday, you cannot do anything to him , you can only call police, and prosecutor will release him "to low crime level"

and next day he will be pickpocketing people in your shop

if man raped someone... hugh, his face is covered, so you see in TV "police caught serial rapist" black rectangle on face...

and for example evidences are for 4 rapes while guy commited 10, but other victims won't see his face in TV to call and testify

Again, I find this a very difficult subject. In Germany we have a very famous tabloid "newspaper", the Bild Zeitung (literaly translated to "picture newspaper", comparable to e.g. The Sun in GB). This paper is read by a stunning amount of people. I travel by train a lot, and you can bet your arse that on every trip you take there is at least one person who reads this fucking piece of shit. What is worse, to be able to read this, you have to buy it (giving this demagoges your money).

So... there has been a case of a child being missing, and some guy took this child to his home, because he apparently thought "better with me than alone on the street". So the Bild Zeitung made an article printing his face for everyone to recognize, stating he is a child molester. Later it turned out he wasn't, he seemed to really have the best interest of this child in mind. Now guess what an "easy" time this guy will have going to the bakery for example, when everyone "knows" he is a bad child molester.

if you say that Russian media are censored

than west too

why ?

cause west media are owned by companies

if company look for profit, they will not inform about other businessman doing dirty things, cause owner of TV station plays golf with those guys and do busines together

we had in Poland so much problems with private media like that, they have owners, owners are rich and do busines, play golf, drink, fu** bitches with other rich (sometimes dirty, mafia etc.)

who will tell about famous businessman poisoning area with dirty chemicals production ?

program in state-TV, not in private

cause in PL we have "busines center club", all businesman keep together, as "club of rich"

and one has TV, other has newspaper,other plant and this plant throw polution to river ... do you think his "friends from golf" will write about it in their newspaper/TV ?

"top 100" richest Poles list changes from year to year, some in prison, some yet not in prison, some avoiding prison...

at least Putin had balls to put some rich cheaters to prison, while our "liberal" government tried to destroy Market Surveillance

thats are facts

While not being directly connected to censorship, I have lost all my faith in news media when I was around 18 years old. A guy ran amok in school, killing some 17 people I think and himself. It turned out he had Counterstrike installed on his PC. So, the media went on to declare that Counterstrike was the reason he ran amok, in fact that's where he learnt to shoot accurate at moving targets. One media report said "Counterstrike is game where the goal is to shoot women with baby carriages".

There are no women in unmodded Counterstrike, let alone baby carriages, let alone that it would be the goal to kill anyone than the terrorists / counter-terrorists depending on which team you are (strictly speaking, this only one way to win a round). But these are just details which complicate matters, aren't they?

So, the "professional journalists" who wrote stuff like this (this was just the IMO worst example) either plainly lied, or didn't bother to do some actual research. Either way, I don't believe anything anymore just because it is written / broadcasted by "professionals".

one mark.surv. inspectore once interrogated one guy:

"your carrots are near highway, do you eat them ? they have a lot of plumbum"

"i would never eat my carrots, i sell them"

do you know how much meat you need to have over 1 kg of curet from hiper-market ?

0.7

yes

from 700 g of meat they do 1 kg of cheap curet !

while you doing clean and traditional curet, you need 1.3 kg of meat to do 1 kg of curet

makes difference ?

traditional food not contain chemicals keeping water to have "heavier meat"

the same inspector told my about following situation:

"we took sauce to control, we calculated ingredients, all ingredients that were prescribed on box cost (wholesale prices from farmers) over 2 times more than sauce bottle, how is it possible?"

dirty polluting chemicalia are in use, simply you have no idea about it

There was a case in Germany where rotten meat was sold in supermarkets. There was an uproar in the media how bad this is, then it all went quiet again. I don't believe anything has actually changed. But then again, who wants to read about rotten meat when you can read about Paris Hilton or some other random person who is famous for being famous....

[riffleman 20]

Well these things are surprising for me.

One thing i want to mention that german are very hated by a villagers of afghanistan.

Reason-due to only order of one german commander 50 peopl die without any reason.

[HyperU2 11]

Well these things are surprising for me.

One thing i want to mention that german are very hated by a villagers of afghanistan.

Reason-due to only order of one german commander 50 peopl die without any reason.

Which is odd considering they don't seem to care much when other Afghans kill 50.

[riffleman 20]

Iam not talking about taliban.they are afghan people who come to take some fuel from damaged truck of nato.but german commander think that they are taliban and attack them with fighter plane.due to highly inflameable fuel several died at spot or become injured for whole life.is it braveity by nato?

[HyperU2 11]

Not a damaged truck, hijacked trucks. Legitimate target. Sorry about their luck.

[vilas 477]

@schaefsky - but look:

what with media informing about pollution ?

really if one guy from "rich club" has TV, another has plant which throws shit chemicals into river - you won't know

cause those guys (one who has plant , second who has TV station) both do business and both play golf...

concerning G3 you wrote - you forget that HK G3 is massively produced in Turkey and Pakistan

HK G3 not means "made in Germany", cause HK means "made in Germany, US, Pakistan, Turkey" :)

concerning kids and Countrerstrike - looking at some people from community and looking at other gaming forums sometimes me think "most stupid humanity percentage is here"

i know kids of my neighbors and they don't act like some "gamers"

some people get addiction, like to alcohol and drugs or hazard

simply such games are not for 13-14 years boys, but in fact they are played by 10 years even

i know one boy example, he is 20 years old, he spents all his time by PC "shooters" from few years , he is getting fatter and fatter and only "kill some, yeah, fu...." and this is example of kid that get addiction, cause parents work too much and not see him

there is small percentage of people (i don't know 1% or 2 or 5 %) at whom something has big influence (what not influences us)

but other thing is "to write something to have news" and other is "my friend plant poisoning river, people get sick, but we both go to one brothel and both play golf"

"kid who killed kid" is safe news, while "plant X poison" not, cause company X has lawyers, can corrupt court, can corrupt others, this kid has noone except enemies

@HyperU2 you are not on your land

it is simple as in Poland we say "freedom dear friend but in your home" (wolnoć tomku w swoim domku) "you can do whatever but in your house"

i don't care if US teenager will kill 20 others in school, as you have "killing culture", but if you will kill single person outside your border - i care

cause for me "army is to protect my own land"

of course 9-11 changed a little situation, but also world not began in 2001, world history and interventions are not from year 2001

from Korea, by VietNam, by operations of CIA in africa, middle east, south america , latin america etc.

NATO in this region "shoot to much" and it is definitely reason why people from this region hate us from our region of world

simply we coming there , while they don't want us

on 9-11 americans found how nice is to being target, some (republicans) don't get lessons from it

if you say about "sorry mistake" than you can say the same to people who died in WTC, "sorry mistake" ;)

for me not a difference if NATO bomber kill Iraq child or talib kill american child on US land...

child is child,

Edited November 22, 2009 by vilas

[riffleman 20]

@vilas

what you think about UNO.in it soldier have to fight for peace and humanity not for country.

Soldier mean fight for peace and protection of humanity.

[vilas 477]

@vilas

what you think about UNO.in it soldier have to fight for peace and humanity not for country.

Soldier mean fight for peace and protection of humanity.

UN yes

i think that:

- war for oil, defending ONLY people "who have oil" is bad, cause comes from greed for money

- war for people (no matter have oil or no) is just

you know, like on street you see beaten man - you react and help, you see grannie robbed - you react

while some countries ask this grannie "is your son owner of big company and be doing busines with me if i will save you from robbers? and if you doing busines and not buying food in my shop, but my competition than i will help robbers" this is bad

killing dictator who kill people is just, but killing him ONLY if he is "pro-USSR" is not just, cause the same time anti-USSR dictators get help of CIA and in 90's on senat commisions it was revealed by some congressmen

dictator who kill PEOPLE is bad, no matter "he kills workers or he kills rich owners", while for "west" (meaning US and UK and co. ltd. ) "bad" was only when he was killing "rich", when he was not buying "McAnything"

dictators killing people in south america were supported "they fought communism spreading" (irony)

but lets back to pollution and information level because "someone play golf"

Edited November 22, 2009 by vilas

[NoRailgunner 0]

How you can derail/hijack a thread - watch this thread! :cool:

[Serclaes 0]

Well these things are surprising for me.

One thing i want to mention that german are very hated by a villagers of afghanistan.

Reason-due to only order of one german commander 50 peopl die without any reason.

The problem here is much less superficial than you think. This happened in the Qonduz (or however you spell it) area, where the germans are present with 800 troops, from which maybe 100 ever leave the base. The trucks were stuck about 6km from the base (air line that is).

Now given that you cannot bring troops on site to:

1. Fight

Because there where too many enemies for a pollitically passable firefight.

2. Spot for Arty rounds

Because enemies would look around for them and hunt them down.

As you may have noticed, it is extremely rare that german actions have (extensive) collateral damage.

The action which the german commander decided to take, was certainly not the best but the last possible he had. Except of course for the one where the trucks would drive away and blow themselves up another time and another place in a crowd.

Also, i heard other sources saying that villagers where very happy that the trucks have been blown up in a river bed instead of their market place.

[riffleman 20]

Your information about villager happiness to destroy truck outside market is totally wrong.

If a housemember died from a house than how can they happy.think it.some become disable for whole life.there are some little children also.god will never forgive nato for this massacre

One thing is media in afghanistan basically western follow nato.

In pakistan due to US drona many innocent died or have to leave there home.what these people have done wrong.

Edited November 22, 2009 by riffleman
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[vilas 477]

Your information about villager happiness to destroy truck outside market is totally wrong.

If a housemember died from a house than how can they happy.think it.some become disable for whole life.there are some little children also.god will never forgive nato for this massacre

One thing is media in afghanistan basically western follow nato.

In pakistan due to US drona many innocent died or have to leave there home.what these people have done wrong.

yes, exactly,

always problem of media, who inform them that "here" is other way

thats why in other topic i gave example /paraphrase / metaphor of "communism" which was not understand by few guys

US citizens were informed "how bad was there" while we lived with "more social care and other problems"

now young people have brains washed, one 16 years old boy told me "it's good we don't live in communism, cause everyone was keeping in pocket toothpaste, towel, cause might be arrested anytime"

what 16 years old boy can know ?

his parents get free of charge flat, free university, free holidays and ... ooo in communism there were no hooligans cause Milita had eye on everything, for such 16 years old boy who drink beer near block and use dirty word to lady on street for sure it would look different ;) all those "gangsta-rap" culture... :/

other example / metaphore is what i wrote above (previous site)

if there are media in hands of someone who's friend has poluting river plant

will you as citizen get knowledge that your river is polluted ?

no, cause media is owned by "friend" of guy who owns factory

the same to Serbs vs. Albanians problem

the same to all

when media are "one side" only, you have problem with information

example next:

there was a neighborhood full of hooligans on one street

there was accident: few hooligans wanted to robber man on street, policeman was backing home after job, he used pistol, killed two of them

what happened ?

"police kills innocent children" mass protest of people living there

my mom's friend live there, and she told

there came hooligans and told "if you not go to protest , next day you have no windows in home"

and what you saw in TV (media)?

protest of citizens against police brutality

i know other side

street owned by gang-members

next week journalist jokes about how he dislike police, cause he get many tickets for fast drive

and it also has bigg issue to informing about pollution of water, ground, products etc.

one guy own company which pollute, other own weekly newspaper

Edited November 22, 2009 by vilas