Changing environment due to pollution

[riffleman 20]

Toady time everyone feel that our environment is changing like some places there is no rain,change in temprature.there are many reason for it.nature follow a routine to rain,winter and summer.but now days nature routine is broken.i want to know what various region people think about this matter.because everyone have there views so express it.it is must topic for everyone life.countries governmentt do't take any effective action.we everyone have to feel the heat(environment) in coming time.ok reply

Edited August 13, 2009 by riffleman
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[W0lle 1052]

First of all, write in english. Not everyone here has english as first language and got an idea what "bcz", "govt" or "rply" stands for.

Also, this is a forum and no ingame chat where you got only seconds to reply. You have all the time you need to make your post in proper english.

[sparks50 0]

I dont know if it is related to pollution or not, but winters here in Norway are clearly a lot shorter than they were forty years ago.

Edited August 13, 2009 by sparks50

[dunedain 48]

Same I live to the west coast of France in Brittany, except that this year summer is really grey windy and without sun.. I remind younger that winters was much more colder here with even snow, which is really rare now.

Don't know if it's natural or not, I'm a bit too old now to play with snow but december and christmas without it, that sucks ..

[Taurus 20]

Yes Moder Earth follows a pattern and changes to the environment follows with it.

For example.

Greenland, 800 and 1300 AD was a mild place, thus the name Greenland.

Vikings referred to the east coast of usa/canada as "Vinland" (whine land) because wine grapes grew there.

However since the industrial period these changes has been faster, the "rain belt" has moved north in Europe and most Swedes who lives in the southern and middle part of the country refers snow to being some light grey mud.

Our so called summers are soon to be referred to as "Rain periods with more or less rain"

i.e

Winters aren't as cold as they used to be, summers aren't as warm and sunny as they used to be

All this has changed over the last 15-20 years.

We are currently suffering from pollution effects from 30-50 years ago.

The rapid change of the environment is due to pollution, if everyone doesn't do what they can and governments doesn't realize this and force "developing" countries to apply environmental thinking we are all screwed!

The lamest excuse I've heard is China who said something along the lines

"But Europe didn't take these things into account during the Industrial Revolution"

Earth has a tremendous ability to heal wounds, I can't find the movie which shows a model of what would happen if one day humankind suddenly disappeared.

Not saying we all should die, but if we could let Earth heal it's wounds without destroying it further humans can have a chance.

I personally feel sad of all animals we brought down with us...

Edited August 13, 2009 by Taurus

[stgn 39]

The enviorment is always changing and the nature powers involved far exceed enything we humans can do enything about.

Things like "ice melting" that are claimed to be due to global mandmade warming is not so but have other natural explanations or is infact just not so.

I don't belive in the doomsday scare tactics shown now daily in the comercials.

And the science behind seems shakey and has in some cases been shown to be direct fraud(hockystick warming graf).

We know too little yet do make fare reaching decisions, based on very incomplet biased(enything human) computer models, that will likely cripple us and keep africa poor.

@Taurus

what do you mean with "I personally feel sad of all animals we brought down with us... "

brought? The case being that we would not have our brain had we not started eating primarily meat and fat which is why we could develop our big brain, you would not be writing here had your forfathers not killed and eaten animals.

STGN

[Taurus 20]

@Taurus

what do you mean with "I personally feel sad of all animals we brought down with us... "

brought? The case being that we would not have our brain had we not started eating primarily meat and fat which is why we could develop our big brain, you would not be writing here had your forfathers not killed and eaten animals.

STGN

Hello.

I'm not a vegetarian, and where did I write that we ate them?

I was referring to, and probably would have written.

WILD ANIMALS!

Such as tigers, whales, polar bears etc.

You get my point.

Humans are predators, even tho' pathetic ones.

For you who think not.

Go to a mirror.

Open mouth

Look at your teeth.

See those four pointy things there in the corners?

The sharp teeth in the front row, and the larger teeth in the back?

And because we are lazy and etc we invented "domestic animals"

Laziness is the inventive force of humans, but thats another topic.

Sure "they" overreact to some extent, but Earth is being over populated and pollution do have the "hockey stick" graph

Just look how fast things has evolved to the worse over a very short period of time...

Edited August 13, 2009 by Taurus

[Baff1 0]

I live in the fens in England.

We have been below sea level here for a long time already so rising sea levels isn't an issue I respect.

I can't detect any changes to the enviroment from pollution here.

I have thousands of different varieties of flora and fauna in my garden, lots of insects and wildlife etc. I don't see much in the way of mass extinctions. And certainly nothing I can attribute to pollution or temperature change.

We used to have problems in the rivers with fertiliser from time to time. Massive algae blooms and then dead fish but I haven't seen one of those for decades. Obviously it's very rural where I live, there is no chance of industrial spillage etc.

In the 80's when we had that string of all the "coldest winters on record" they said we had killed the planet and we were all going to freeze to death.

So please forgive me if I ignored those same people who cried wolf when they told me that I was going to over heat in the 90's. (Plus all that crap about the human race burning to death in radioactive sunlight because of the hole in the ozone layer, global nuclear annihilation, cataclysmic asteroid strike, bird/swine flu....and the Four Horsemen of the Apocalpyse).

I'm not so bored I have time for Nostradmus' predictions. Don't even start me off on crop circles.

Now that Global Warming has been replaced by Global Cooling, I'm kind of intrested to see what the next impending apocalypse will be. There always is one, it must be something in the nature of man that seeks it out. Perhaps everyone is just looking for a way to be a hero, to save the world like Bruce Willis does. Anyway, I can't be arsed. If it gets hotter all the better. I hate being cold.

Edited August 13, 2009 by Baff1

[riffleman 20]

As i live in asia(himalya), here there is very huge changes in environmen.when iam child my region temprature maximum is 30(hilly area).but now it is almost 40.now i can't guess when winter or summer start /end.IN europe countries try to stop pollution.there are some act also.but everyone know that wherever pollution ,one time it effect whole world.we live in earth.

[GoOB 0]

...Greenland, 800 and 1300 AD was a mild place, thus the name Greenland...

The name Greenland was the first case of "false advertising", to lure prospective settlers. About 20% of Greenland is free of ice, the rest of it's surface is covered in an ice-sheet that's more than a hundred thousand years old. So that Greenland was a mild place (even if one stretches the meaning of the word mild) in 800 AD sounds a bit unlikely.

As for the changing climate; I am inclined to beleive the majority of researchers who corroborate the theories of man having an impact on the global climate. And I am certainly a beleiver in the theories that suggest the greenhouse gases have increased the effects of natural climate cycles to a point where it may well become dangerous.

When it all comes down to it though, even if these theories are right or not I would say that humans learning to live cleaner and making less of a footprint on the earth is a good thing - Greenhouse gases isn't the only enviromental issue that exists, Baff1 brought up algae blooming which is a really nasty problem in the baltic sea, it is mostly due to the population of smaller fish (which eat the algae) has been drastically reduced due to the recent trend in aquacultivating salmon and other species of fish that look trendy on the dinner table.

All in all, the scientists can be right about the green house effect or they can be wrong - I think that humanity needs to find alternative energies and cleaner ways of living regardless of that. If not for the sake of the enviroment, for the sake of our own health and our own experiences of wild, unspoiled nature.

[max power 21]

The earth goes through warming and cooling cycles, having to do with several natural factors. A good argument against anthropogenic global climate change is that the earth is neither as hot nor as cold as it has been during other periods. We have been enjoying a period of rather moderate climate. I think scientists argue that the rate of change is quite high right now and also given other circumstances, this isn't the type of change you would expect from a natural progression. Personally, I don't know if all of the climate change we are experiencing right now is due to human activity, but less poison in the atmosphere can't be a bad thing.

I just hope that we can find better solutions than, say, what's happening with (hybrid) electric cars or ethanol fuel.

Poisoning the environment with batteries is also no good, and I hear that they are actually more destructive than burning fossil fuels. Furthermore, most electricity in the world comes from coal power plants. Extracting the energy from coal by burning it, transporting it over lines to a car and then storing it in a battery creates what? Yes, a coal powered car.

Burning food to run cars is also no good. Industrial farming is an energy intensive process. Organisms are energy consumers, not energy producers. You must take into consideration the impact of all of the vehicles and equipment involved in the process. What polution is produced by all of the machines and chemicals required to grow those crops to burn them in an automobile?

Edited August 13, 2009 by Max Power

[riffleman 20]

Due to its hot day become so hot, and cold night become more cold.

[Guest]

First of all, write in english. Not everyone here has english as first language and got an idea what "bcz", "govt" or "rply" stands for.

Also, this is a forum and no ingame chat where you got only seconds to reply. You have all the time you need to make your post in proper english.

Wow, your one mighty friendly fellow.

Rgearding the topic, i think global warming is just government hype rubbish.

The world has cycles, this has happened before and will happen again.

Besides, cows pollute more than cars do!

[max power 21]

Besides, cows pollute more than cars do!

So would you say that that means that there is no problem or that there are two problems that need addressing?

[GoOB 0]

Besides, cows pollute more than cars do!

Indeed, some reports say that up to 25-30% of green house gas release comes from industrialized animal husbandry. I am by no means a vegetarian, nor will I ever be one. But the sheer ammount of meat produced, consumed, and indeed thrown away is indeed somethig that boggles the mind.

[Guest]

So would you say that that means that there is no problem or that there are two problems that need addressing?

I would say there are are no problems that need adressing.

There is nothing we can do stop the world doing what it does. Why people thinking using electric cars will save the world baffles me...

[riffleman 20]

What an individual can do for saving environment.i do plantation of 50 trees and use bycycle instead of bike and car.i think a little effort of all become bigger in one day.

[Baff1 0]

I planted 500 trees and drive a V8.

I like trees.

I like V8's.

I won't be saving the planet, but I'll save my little bit of it. If you save yours too, that's it right there.

[TangoRomeo 10]

I think it's being grossly exxagerated, until today there is no credible scientific proof between CO² emissions and temperature change of the athmosphere. Without being threatened by a circumsstance, it's difficult to get people into accepting patriot acts, tax increases and cap&trade. I see it being not so much about the environment as it is about money and power. Just imo.

Undeniably something is happening to the weather and the climate, that's for sure. But i believe the reasons can be found elsewhere. Personally i find the weather this summer being horrid in germany. Can't remember ever catching a cold in summertime. One day it's 33°C, the next 19°C and hail, the sky has a milky appearance almost all the time. If i want to see a really blue sky, i´ll have to look out of my windows (these have silver-blue tinted UV foils applied).

[max power 21]

I would say there are are no problems that need adressing.

There is nothing we can do stop the world doing what it does. Why people thinking using electric cars will save the world baffles me...

So poison air is acceptible to you? Perhaps you don't live in an area that has poor air quality, but I assure you that it is a problem.

[Student Pilot 0]

Nice scare tactic.

I am skeptical of global warming/man-made climate change. Here in Wisconsin (yes, I know 1 observation does not extend to the whole population) it has been unusually cold this summer. Back in the 1970s the whole rage was global cooling, until they had to change their theories when temperatures were increasing instead of decreasing.

When it comes down to it, I have a hard time believing that mere man can have such a large impact on earth, which has a surface area of 510,000,000 square kilometers and a volume of 1,083,000,000,000 cubed kilometers. Anyone besides me think it's even a little arrogant and presumptuous to believe that we can have long-term destructive effects on this planet's climate? Do you realize just how large this earth really is and how small we are in comparison?

Now, I do believe that the climate changes, but there are forces other than man at work. The sun, and its associated sunspot activity, seem to me to be the largest contributor.

-Student Pilot

Edited August 15, 2009 by Student Pilot

[echo1 0]

When it comes down to it, I have a hard time believing that mere man can have such a large impact on earth, which has a surface area of 510,000,000 square kilometers and a volume of 1,083,000,000,000 cubed kilometers. Anyone besides me think it's even a little arrogant and presumptuous to believe that we can have long-term destructive effects on this planet's climate? Do you realize just how large this earth really is and how small we are in comparison?

The problem is that it's not a mere man, but billions of mere men. I remember my chemistry teacher in school saying that a single molecule of CO2 can lead to a chain reaction in which hundreds of thousands of ozone molecules. We're pumping billions of tonnes of the stuff into the air... Don't tell me that that isn't going to have a big impact.

[Iraqi Bob 10]

I remember my chemistry teacher in school saying that a single molecule of CO2 can lead to a chain reaction in which hundreds of thousands of ozone molecules.

You sure it wasn't CFC's (from aerosol cans, etc.) and not CO2?

Anyway, I'm not entirely sure whether man-made climate change is true, but air and water pollution is definitely apparent. Toxic emissions in western countries have improved in recent years but they still remain significant. In some countries it is a huge problem - just look at China.

To eliminate emissions from transport, we could switch to hydrogen. The infrastructure is not there yet but if we managed to search for oil, drill a hole, ship it half way around the world, refine it, and bring it to the fuel station then I'm sure obtaining hydrogen isn't going to be that hard either. Plus it's safer, abundant, requires less vehicle maintenance (only one moving part in the engine) and you don't have to nick it off some poor sod in the desert. Hydrogen would be the savior of our gas-guzzling supercars.

But alas that won't happen. Because people are either stubborn or incompetent. Too stubborn to make the push and incompetent enough to spend public money on rediculous ideas like electric cars.

[Student Pilot 0]

Hydrogen is an alternative energy I can get behind. I think in the long run it is also the most viable. No matter what alternative energy we go to, infrastructure is going to be a problem. I would much rather we use hydrogen gas instead of corn, algae, electric (coal powered), or any number of the rediculous "solutions" out there that deliver less performance and are much costlier.

However, I have a nagging suspicion that eventually, if we go to hydrogen, it too will become the target of environmentalists. What is the most prevalent greenhouse gas in our atmosphere? What is the byproduct of hydrogen engines? The answer to both questions is water vapor.

@ch_123

I see where you are coming from, but I still have my doubts. Earth is a really big place. Either way, my argument isn't really an argument, just an observation that probably cannot by refuted or confirmed.

-Student Pilot

[echo1 0]

You sure it wasn't CFC's (from aerosol cans, etc.) and not CO2?

You're right, it was. Same principle stands though.

But alas that won't happen. Because people are either stubborn or incompetent. Too stubborn to make the push and incompetent enough to spend public money on rediculous ideas like electric cars.

Well, it is happening already on a slow basis. The problem is that hydrogen tech isn't as efficient as it needs to be yet. So it will be a while before people are jumping for joy about it.

Even the petrol and car companies accept that oil is going to die sometime. I don't think anyone's going to try and sweep oil-replacement technologies under the rug, just too much demand for them.

In a sense, the validity or falsity of global warming et al. is irrelevant. I think people's belief in it is providing much needed drive to replace coal/oil and cut down on dumping and the like. That can't be such a bad thing, right?