Create a backup cd - how?

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Mar. 14 2002,15:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL well all I can say is buy a Liteon 24102B <span id='postcolor'>

I got one. That's a microwave oven. Here I go.....................

[Placebo 29]

LMAO good luck with that

[theavonlady 2]

It worked. I pressed the 1x button for the slowest speed and figured it would take an hour. I've got a perfect back-to-back copy!

Question: how do I separate them?

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 14 2002,15:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Question: how do I separate them?<span id='postcolor'>

Surely that's in the FAQ?

[Lt_Damage 0]

One thing I'd like to point out.

BIS have advised that we are allowed to make 1 backup copy.

I assume this is to acknowledge that every person has a right to protect their property from damage.

They then have gone out of their way to use the latest software technology (Safedisc2) on the OFP CD to make it difficult for us to protect our property by backing it up.

This would be ok if they fully supported one way, or the other.

If they wish to put heavy copy protection into their CD, they should support their product in case of damage. Which means, they replace the cd free of charge, as they have inhibited the buyer's ability to protect it themselves.

If they support the reasoning that the purchasee of their product may backup their cd to protect it from damage, they should not have put heavy copy protection onto the cd in the first place.

I believe this is a result of the gaming industry being slightly conflicted or maybe confused, protecting their own profits, and looking after the interests of their customers, who inturn, provide their profit.

[Lt_Damage 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ALDEGA @ Mar. 10 2002,05:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If your original copy is damaged (which shouldn't happen in the first place, mind you), you should ask codemasters for a replacement (minimal fee).<span id='postcolor'>

Minimal fee is $65?

1/3 of original purchase price is not minimal. Especially since BIS does not assist the buyer in any way to protect the CD through backing it up. (Safedisc2 on CD to prevent copies)

And considering how cheap it is for them to produce a single cd. I find it quite disturbing.

I really don't give a toss whether damaging a CD should happen, if someone damages a cd, they should of made a backup... ohhh hangon... they can't, damn.

[Hobo Sniper 0]

its called CloneCD and Clone XL/XXL it works...

(took me bout half a day @ 4x)

[Lt_Damage 0]

I meant the general public "can't"

There is a way around everything, hell I don't even have my CD in the drive when i play OFP.

But it has deliberately been made difficult to backup the cd.

[Badgerboy 0]

If everyone reads through the thread, using CloneCd and ClonyXL will make a perfect 1-1 copy of the CD.

As for Safedisc 2. Yes its a bunch of arse but don't blame BIS. Apparantly, after working nonstop on the last weekend of the deadline they uploaded the finished game to the publisher...... who then burnt a Gold Master and whacked Safe Disc 2 on it themselves.

Needless to say, BIS were pretty pissed when they realised it had completely screwed the game up, and more patching was required....

Of course it doesn't always work on all CD-ROM's but blame Codemasters for that!

That little fact and dozens others are in the OFP Post Mortem writen by the programers.... no I don't have a link to it

[Lt_Damage 0]

If what you say is accurate...

Rather than edit all my posts with apologies to BIS I will just say here, I am sorry, i was unaware you had no choice in the Safedisc2 issue.

It just shows decisions are inevitably made because of money rather than true concern for the customer's enjoyment of the product. I acknowledge it was codemasters thinking along these lines and not BIS.

Great work BIS, I am sorry I doubted your integrity.

[Deus Ex 0]

lol one time i had a defected CD ROM drive, i was playing a game, and all of a sudden in the middle of the game the CD door opens and the CD was still spinning in it and it was going so fast it lifted of and flew accress the room. i called the repair man, he all "naw it wouldnt do that haha you guys are crazy" sure enough it did it to him the next time he came out.

[Lt_Damage 0]

That's cool as! All CD's should fly!

[grim46 0]

Well i was playing a game once and my cd blew up in my cdrom and well lets say i wish i had backed that one up LOL

[ale2999 0]

Thank u all 4 the infos. Now my original cd is safe in the box away from my brothers hands.

[Lt_Damage 0]

My OFP CD has only ever been used once, I intend to keep it that way.

[Hobo Sniper 0]

hey, is ClonyXXL out in english yet, if so...please give me the link

-thanks

[ALDEGA 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Especially since BIS does not assist the buyer in any way to protect the CD through backing it up. (Safedisc2 on CD to prevent copies)<span id='postcolor'>

If there wouldn't be any cd protection, wouldn't lots of people copy the game instead of buying it? Wouldn't the very fact of not protecting it at all be like "hey guys please don't buy our game, just copy it, we didn't include any protection so you can freely copy it, go ahead, make us happy"?

btw, that 65$, I hope it was NZD or AUD, because else you got ripped off

[joltan 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ALDEGA @ April 13 2002,11:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If there wouldn't be any cd protection, wouldn't lots of people copy the game instead of buying it? Wouldn't the very fact of not protecting it at all be like "hey guys please don't buy our game, just copy it, we didn't include any protection so you can freely copy it, go ahead, make us happy"?<span id='postcolor'>

Well I don't know - I have a cd-writer that is able to copy the ofp cd (and other protected cds) as is - no special background tool needed. And still, all my games are originals, no copies. I play with a backup cd, but the original stands right behind me on a board.

I don't see copy protection providing any advantage to the industrie. It's a question of moral and ethics not of protection. If people want to make ilegal copies, they can. On the other hand copy protection prevents those that lack the criminal energy to circumvent it (or the money to buy the right hardware) to make legal backups.

When you buy a game (or other software) you buy a license. That means that only a small part of what you paid is for the cd or manual, most is for the right to use the software and thus for the effort the company put into developing it (intelectual property). Your lizense isn't bound to a certain piece of hardware or a certain cd, it's nothing that you can grab with you hands - it is a right of use! You can legally make a backup of any cd you own, as long as you are the one using it.

As for the need to make backups - I had cds get ruined (lucky me! ). Since then I always use a backup.

[joltan 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 14 2002,14:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, once you've successfully created a backup CD that won't cause FADE to kick in, please post the detailed steps you peformed, so that others can do the same without searching for crack/warez sites.<span id='postcolor'>

All you need is a cd-writer that supports correct EFM encoding of regular bit patterns (check your manual). Then make a copy (raw mode for data and audio, no error correction). Enjoy.

I have a Plextor cd-writer (Plexwriter 24/10/40A), works fine. It only takes about 15 minutes alltogether.

[ALDEGA 0]

I know you pay for the license. But how could you protect that?

[joltan 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ALDEGA @ April 13 2002,13:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I know you pay for the license. But how could you protect that?<span id='postcolor'>

You can't - not without an uncrackable copy protection (something that - like the perpetuomobile - just doesn't exist). But then they'd have to offer a cheap and fast solution for people to get another copy if their original copy gets ruined.

Fast means (to me) not more than one or two days, cheap means only the cost for the cd and p&p (shouldn't be more than maybe 3-5 euros). Still, I'd probably feel ripped off and I'd surely be angry for not having being able to make a backup in time.

And what would keep me from telling them that my cat ate the cd for lunch, while in fact I gave it to a friend?

There is no way to protect intelectual property, if you want to give it away (like selling your game). Once it's out of your own head, it's basically free game.

The only things that keep people from stealing it are either the fact that they don't need it, that they can't get it for free (so they have to buy it) or that they want to pay for it (to support the developer, because of moral scruples or fear of prosecution). Of course legal restrictions and prosecution of software pirates help a bit, but you simply can't expect a fouteen year old kid to have any scruples about using a pirate copy (hell, I had no scruples when I played Frogger as a kid).

One solution would be a personalized version of the software - but then you'd have the problem to produce a different version for every user. And they'd still have to keep it uncrackable while allowing for backups and the possibility to resell the license second-hand or to give it away as a present, etc.

Oh hell... It's a dilema the industry has no proper solution for (regarding customer rights and needs), so they use crap like SafeDisk that offer no real protection but restricts their customers. At least according to german law the backup copy, selling my license to another person or giving it as a present is something they can't restrict, even if they wanted to - it's a right our federal laws grant me.

[Bandit65 0]

I don't make copies...

I have children, cats, and other things I cannot control, around my house, which forces me to be responsible for those things in my posession that I treasure and value.

I protect the things I own, from things like peanut covered fingers, and dog-food cover mouths.

I also protect my things from theft, fire, and other natural disasters.

I think it is fine for software companies, as well as any other company to at elast attempt to protect thier intellectual property in anyway they can, according to current technological means, and local laws.

I think Software companies should provide 'free' replacements for damaged merchandise, and it should be done at a local level...

For example, if I go and buy OFP at Electronics boutique, and the CD ends up getting scratched, snapped, or melted, I should be able to bring in the CD, the Reciept, the original packaging, and any paperwork which shows proof of purchase, and get a replacement for free (Let EB handle the return to the manufacturer).

If I don't have all the documents (Packaging, paperwork, etc) which prooves my proof of purchase, then maybe I should have to pay a minimal fee for a replacement CD... in the case of OFP, though, I would need a new Manual, with the new code in it..

I think this issue is moral, and about laws, and that is that. We can all disagree, but things will not change unless we 1) educate our representatives, and 2) hammer them to make laws.

The idea that all government officials are corrupt is just not true. A majority of them are, and a majority of those would be willing to listen to an educated debate.

Problem is, a lot of 'gamers' are not the educated kind, which can participate in a sincere objective debate about the issues.

Recently I saw a License agreement online, posted because of it's extreme content. In paraphrasing it, it said something like 'We reserve the right to inspect our software, and the equipment it has been installed on at any time."

Which means, that in agreeing to the license agreement, you are saying that anyone from the company can come into your home and 'inspect' your pc, and see how you are using their software. I beleive at the end of the article I read, the company had ammended their license agreement to remove said statements.

When I worked for SSI/Mindscape, we discussed our lisence agreements, and the company as a whole, in a purely legal way, felt we were selling 1 (one) copy of the software we created, and the end user retained a CD-Rom which contained that copy. The end user did not OWN the Software, nor the Copy, but we agreed that between us, they could use the software they bought. We didn't sell the software, we sold an agreement.

I think that has changed in the last 5 years, but originally, that was the idea, when copying became so rampant.

It is truly a moral issue, and a legal one.

Technically, anyone with the effort can copy anything copywritten.

And locks on doors are not to keep theives out, but to keep those without the nerve, or desire to exert effort, from just walking through the door.

I don't copy my CD's, in order to keep the original Pristine, I know that according to the current laws, in many cases (Obviously not in this OFP case) that is illegal, and for me, the effort for which it requires, is not worth my time.

I don't copy my DVD movies, either, or my Music CD's, or my Cassette tapes, or my old 8-tracks, or Vinyl LP's, or my Books, or magazines...

I just protect them from harm as well as I can.

Maybe, Just maybe, if software companies said and/or encouraged me to make a 'back-up' copy, I just might do it, if they also made it easier to do...

But since it takes some effort, I find it easier to protect it.

Hey, I park my car in a garage, and lock the doors. That seems easy to me, maybe if I had a back-up copy, I would just leave it outside, and let the birds crap on it, and when it got too dirty, I would just clone it from the original, and use the pristine clone.

Sorry, that was sarcastic.

Hey, make an effort that isn't so selfish. While you are waiting the 15 minutes, or 4 hours, or whatever it takes to make that backup copy, browse the web for a few minutes, find out who your representaive in your goverment is, and drop them an e-mail, tell them what you think.

What could that hurt?

It can help, though, it might just change the laws you disagree with, and that is the American Way.

Apathy will be our undoing, not terrorism.

[Hobo Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (joltan @ April 13 2002,12:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 14 2002,14:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, once you've successfully created a backup CD that won't cause FADE to kick in, please post the detailed steps you peformed, so that others can do the same without searching for crack/warez sites.<span id='postcolor'>

All you need is a cd-writer that supports correct EFM encoding of regular bit patterns (check your manual). Then make a copy (raw mode for data and audio, no error correction). Enjoy.

I have a Plextor cd-writer (Plexwriter 24/10/40A), works fine. It only takes about 15 minutes alltogether.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, then does the TDK 121032A model do that?

BTW: OFP is ONLY $29.99 last time I checked in some US stores... where'd you pay like $100s of dollars for just 1 copy of OFP?

[joltan 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hobo Sniper @ April 14 2002,02:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW: OFP is ONLY $29.99 last time I checked in some US stores... where'd you pay like $100s of dollars for just 1 copy of OFP?<span id='postcolor'>

Don't know, gold edition cost me about 40€ (around 35 US$) when I bought it. But most probably it wasn't US dollars that the talk was about, but AUS or NZ dollars (still it would be very expensive).

About the TDK - I don't think so. At least according to the CloneCD website (http://www.elby.org/CloneCD/english/index.htm - see under CloneCD 3.0/supported cd-writers) it doesn't have this ability.

[Lt_Damage 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ALDEGA @ Mar. 10 2002,05:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've never backed-up any game and I've never regretted. I make sure that my discs do not get scratched in the first place. Only sever scratches can cause data to become illegible.<span id='postcolor'>

My god.. what bs. Minimal fee is $65AUD by the way. CD's are very easy to scratch, your  CDROM can even do it if it is playing up a bit.

It is everyone's right to backup their property, the CD medium is vulnerable to damage so I advise if you really love this game, back it up, or pay codemasters $65 for a new one.