I think only BI can help us now.

[wazandy 10]

After reading (what seems like) thousands of posts, the one thing that constantly amazes me is how one fix can work wonders for one system and completely screw another.

Even Nvidia drivers that gain 5FPS for some drop -20 for others too.

No matter how hard we try, the fundamental fact is that the game has serious internal flaws, and they're flaws we simply can't fix by defragging, rolling back drivers and mucking about with the CFG files.

We just have to stop tinkering and hope that by the end of the week (come on BI, you were happy to take our cash) can at least make the game stable and playable at LEAST, followed by some serious optimization quickly after.

There are hundreds of fixes, and I feel that we're just scratching around the skin of an engine that needs a bit of an overhaul.

Has anyone been hassling the Nvidia forums by the way? Maybe we'll see a AA2 patch on the horizon.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

I gave up on tinkering. It really isn't our responsibility to fix a game we bought. When I bought my new 09 GMC Sierra I damn well expect it to let me go faster than 20MPH. This holds true for BI. Matter of fact, they are starting to remind me of Ford when they used to build such crappy vehicles.

[Jon K 10]

The car analogy does not work with software, unless of course you are providing the drivetrain.

[bangtail 0]

After reading (what seems like) thousands of posts, the one thing that constantly amazes me is how one fix can work wonders for one system and completely screw another.

Even Nvidia drivers that gain 5FPS for some drop -20 for others too.

No matter how hard I try, the fundamental fact is that the game has serious internal flaws, and they're flaws I simply can't fix by defragging, rolling back drivers and mucking about with the CFG files.

I just have to stop tinkering and hope that by the end of the week (come on BI, you were happy to take our cash) can at least make the game stable and playable at LEAST, followed by some serious optimization quickly after.

There are hundreds of fixes, and I feel that we're just scratching around the skin of an engine that needs a bit of an overhaul.

Has anyone been hassling the Nvidia forums by the way? Maybe we'll see a AA2 patch on the horizon.

You're not happy but enough whining already. Obviously they are working on fixing the problems but moaning endlessly isn't going to make it happen any faster.

Eth

Edited June 30, 2009 by BangTail

[Hans Ludwig 0]

The car analogy does not work with software, unless of course you are providing the drivetrain.

Since it's software it's ok for them and others to keep producing such an inferior products? And why is a truck analogy any different? Honestly, it's people like you that don't let these companies know with your pocket book or your voices that we are tired of spending X dollars on an inferior product. So please stop dumbing down this billion dollar industry that has quite enough money to hire competent engineers, product managers, executives and blah blah.

As you can tell, I had enough of this already. I have been spending about 10 years hoping that BI would finally build a game that could take straight out of the box and play. See the key word PLAY? They are the ones that hurt this type of genre by always producing, in my eyes, alpha build games. Please, don't tell me they are just bugs; this is a serious defect in the game itself. This is the type of stuff that pushes people to consoles and PC slowly loses it's base. If you aren't going to make a game properly, please don't make it all.

Vent ending in 3...2...1...

Edited June 30, 2009 by Hans Ludwig

[Fenix16 0]

I gave up on tinkering. It really isn't our responsibility to fix a game we bought. When I bought my new 09 GMC Sierra I damn well expect it to let me go faster than 20MPH.

True, but it is difficult to build a reliable fast car when each user is providing their own engine.

[Jon K 10]

Hans,

Ya need to chill man.

Sadley, nothing your saying hasn't already been said with just about every PC release since Jumpman on the C64. Sit back, relax, and breath easy.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

I'm not irrational when it comes to games. I expect bugs, not serious flaws in the game product. I expect indy and mod dev. teams to produce hiccups and such, not from BI. This has been the third time I bought one of their games, and super pumped to play it, just to encounter the same old same old.

[bangtail 0]

And why not? So since it's software I'm supposed to be ok with them building such rubbage? No sir, it's people like you that don't stand up and say enough with your pocket book or voices that allows them to say "well we can give them something with a bunch of bugs because they wont mind".

Not at all, there are problems but its just the way it is. It's not rubbish by any stretch of the imagination, it just needs some work. No amount of bitching will change that, it's been that way since OFP.

If you can't deal with it, move on and play something else. Come back in a few months when more patches have been released.

Alternatively, throw a copy of XP on a dual boot. I've been editing/playing all day with no problems whatsoever.

Eth

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Not at all, there are problems but its just the way it is. It's not rubbish by any stretch of the imagination, it just needs some work. No amount of bitching will change that, it's been that way since OFP.

If you can't deal with it, move on and play something else. Come back in a few months when more patches have been released.

Alternatively, throw a copy of XP on a dual boot. I've been editing/playing all day with no problems whatsoever.

Eth

I guess you are right. I was so pissed I couldn't even spell rubbish correctly.

[njmatrix 2]

I have to agree the game looks stunning and i was impressed expecting something not quite so pretty. But once I started playing I had those same problems I had with dropping framerates in Armed Assault 1. Good eye candy but really unplayable for me. But I have faith because patch 115 seemed to clear ArmA1 up for me so i am gonna wait a couple years and I should be good. Back To OFP I go.

[rocket 9]

If this were a console game, yes I could understand your frustration. But it's not, the standards for PC's are not regulated, and it is impossible to develop anything that will work in every situation.

If you want a particular application to work, build your system to the specifications that the application was made and tested with. It's an unfortunate barrier for PC gaming that is only going to get worse, but that is the price we pay (and risk we run) with being consumers of very creative and complex simulation software.

[wazandy 10]

You're not happy but enough whining already. Obviously they are working on fixing the problems but moaning endlessly isn't going to make it happen any faster.

Eth

It's not whining, it's just a realisation that nothing we're all suggesting seems to work, so the ball really is in BI's court now.

And, let's face it, Steam has now rolled out so the problems are only going to increase.

[Jon K 10]

I wonder if benchmark PC's have these issues.

Build a PC using benchmark PC specs and don't install anything on it except ArmA 2. You should be good to go

[Hans Ludwig 0]

I'll tell you why I'm really pissed. It's because BI didn't do any testing what-so-ever. If they did do testing then they did a poor job or no job at all. If they did do testing and found there was a serious problem and just decided to release the game anyways, then shame on them! If you found problems but where in a difficult position that you had to release the game anyways, then you should have given us a disclaimer and been truthful with us. I'm pretty easy to get along when you give me the up and up. I don't want to be surprised to find out all of this after spending $50USD.

[bangtail 0]

I'll tell you why I'm really pissed. It's because BI didn't do any testing what-so-ever. If they did do testing then they did a poor job or no job at all. If they did do testing and found there was a serious problem and just decided to release the game anyways, then shame on them! If you found problems but where in a difficult position that you had to release the game anyways, then you should have given us a disclaimer and been truthful with us. I'm pretty easy to get along when you give me the up and up. I don't want to be surprised to find out all of this after spending $50USD.

TBH, if you've played A1 or OFP, you knew what to expect. That's why I'm not annoyed. I knew when I entered my CC info and hit "pay now" what I was getting into.

OFP/A1/A2 are just a canvas, just wait until the community really gets going and we have a few more patches.

Eth

[Hans Ludwig 0]

TBH, if you've played A1 or OFP, you knew what to expect. That's why I'm not annoyed. I knew when I entered my CC info and hit "pay now" what I was getting into.

OFP/A1/A2 are just a canvas, just wait until the community really gets going and we have a few more patches.

Eth

You are correct that I should have known this was coming. But I was sure that with the competition they are getting from CM, that this time would be different.

[mr_centipede 31]

Dude.. they do test the system... in various pc spec and configurations... in a lab environment... but the real world is bigger than the lab... and almost infinite number of configurations/hardware. They cant test all the possibilities...

[Jon K 10]

Do you have any idea, any at all, about what goes on in the software developement world?

Even the software I deal with, which is developed for a single purpose and runs on a controlled configuration has problems, patches and bugs. It is just the nature ofthe beast when dealing with so much data.

Go try and write a 50 page paper before a deadline that cannot be moved, and do it without a single typo, grammer error, or any other irregularity. A bit more realistic analogy for ya.

[rocket 9]

It's because BI didn't do any testing what-so-ever.

How do you know that?

If they did do testing then they did a poor job or no job at all.

What do you base that on?

If they did do testing and found there was a serious problem and just decided to release the game anyways, then shame on them!

What is a serious problem? How come many other can play the game without many problems?

Look, if you want to be taken seriously, take a step back and consider the issues you are experiencing. I can imagine, in your situation, I'd be really pissed off too. But think about what you are saying here... can you really expect a game to be tested on EVERY configuration a PC might have?

I work making console games... I can tell you now... the testing requirements of this game on a SINGLE PC configuration is nothing short of a MAJOR ACHIEVEMENT. The company I work at is twice as large (at least) than BIS and I can't imagine how we could produce something like this.

I run ArmA2 fine on a Vista 64bit Installation. It installed out of the box , and it ran without any major incidents. 8800 GTS, I chose my specific rig based exactly on the specifications released for the game.

[saedrin 10]

Dude.. they do test the system... in various pc spec and configurations... in a lab environment... but the real world is bigger than the lab... and almost infinite number of configurations/hardware. They cant test all the possibilities...

It doesn't work with the latest nvidia drivers on the GTX200 series cards. This is what I would classify as a "large oversight".

[rocket 9]

It doesn't work with the latest nvidia drivers on the GTX200 series cards. This is what I would classify as a "large oversight".

And who develops the latest nvidia drivers? Take it up with nVidia mate!

[Jon K 10]

Lol.

Did those drivers come out before or after the game finished production?

[rocket 9]

Lol.

Did those drivers come out before or after the game finished production?

Yes, it probably did. Because if you knew what "game finished production" meant, you'd realise that a game finishes production long before it appears on shelves (many months, in fact) as it goes through QA, manufacturing, etc...

And having worked with nVidia myself, they are less than generous with information and trail drivers with developers. We tended to know about releases when they felt like it, and I'm sure BIS gets even worse support than we did.

[FraG_AU 10]

Wow another thread like this.. It will be closed shortly.

We all know it will be patched, but we are all dissapointed it needs them. This is irrespective of how OpF and ARMA came out, thats no excuse and thats what shits me, people just say oh well. Anyway as Ethne said, the game is a canvas, and I must say my MP has been a lot more stable since I turned HT off and changed drivers so for the moment aside from performance issues I am fast becoming much happier. Now I see more and more of the AI improvements when playing say DOmination or other Coops so gaming experience is very plesant now..

BUT YOU CAN"T make excuses for sloppy work.