Earth Hour 2009

[opteryx 1562]

Quote[/b] ]I shall not comply because:

a) I do not like being told what to do.

Most senseless argument i ever heard...

Why?

Because it shows the maturity of a 5 year old.

Cool story bro.

[someboy 0]

Quote[/b] ]"World Wildlife Fund" is a fraudulent non-profit (tax-free) corporation founded by top Nazi Scientists, so called "Eugenics".

Before those crooks founded their "WWF", they had other organisations for instance "American Eugenics Society".

However after the second world war and its brutal slaughter+terrible scientific tests on imprisoned jews/gypsies/disabled/gay people for "eugenic-research", they quickly realized that its maybe not so cool anymore to be a official supporter of "eugenics".

And so the top Eugenics founded their "WWF".

Founders/Leaders/Supporters were:

- Prince Phillip (on his death-bed he said "If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.").

- Julian Huxley

- Rockefeller Familiy

You can read a bit about eugenics here:

http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/eugenics.htm

Everyone (here in germany at least) who has access to alternativ/neutral NON-PRIVATE TV-Channels, will already have heard about tendencies that those things could be hoax:

- Oil is limited and in 30 year we will have no oil anymore

- Global warming is caused by Humans and CO2.

I just saw, even in Autralian people are not as "dumbed down" by their mass medias as i thought the majority of the english-speaking nations are....

At least a woman is asking the correct question on a discussion about "The global warming swindle":

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007....-debate

Also a nice video-collection about Eugenics, if you are interested in that field:

Video1 (not really necessary):

Video2:

Video3:

Video4:

Video5:

Quote[/b] ]The "World Wildlife Fund" is a fraudulent non-profit (tax-free) corporation founded by top Nazi Scientists, so called "Eugenics".

Do you have a reference where we can actually confirm this? If by Nazi Scientist you mean for example Julian Huxley, then sorry but I believe he did not work for the Nazis in any manner. Eugenics, as you mention, is a philosophical idea of improving human race, usually by controlling human breeding. During the 1920’s and 30’s it had quite a few followers around the globe. It was during WWII that the so called eugenics was taken to an extreme and used as a pretext to exterminate millions of lives.

Julian Huxley, one of the founders of WWF (founded in 1961), and who died more than 20 years ago, was a promoter of Eugenics. I do find this philosophy totally regrettable, however I do not believe this is enough to assert that WWF, at least in it current state, promotes any form of eugenics.

I read the article you pointed about Eugenics in the http://www.oldthinkernews.com/ web (the name says it all, by the way). In it, they relate child policies and contraception measures to Eugenics, which is a wrong assumption (either due to misinformation or to a demagogic procedure of explaining things). Child policies pretend to control population growth. By no means is it related to breeding control of LOWEST classes (in order to obtain better human specie). Child policies pretend to avoid excess of population, not eliminate undesirable classes. There are a number of reasons to desire population not to grow excessively, but they can be summarized in: all humans live in the same rock called Earth, and Earth has no infinite resources (this is a fact, not an opinion).

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Everyone (here in germany at least) who has access to alternativ/neutral NON-PRIVATE TV-Channels, will already have heard about tendencies that those things could be hoax:

- Oil is limited and in 30 year we will have no oil anymore

- Global warming is caused by Humans and CO2.

I am not sure I understand correctly these sentences, but I do believe you pretend to say that both “Oil will finish in about 30 years†and “Global warming is caused by humans†statements could not be true (just an invention of people who like to invent horrible things to hurt our feelings).

First, if by alternativ/neutral NON-PRIVATE TV-Channels you mean things like http://www.oldthinkernews.com/, then nothing left to discuss there (I can see where you got those ideas from).

Second: “Oil will finish in about 30 yearsâ€. This statement does not come from environmentalists groups, but from the scientific community. Do you mean that geologists around the world have secret meetings in which they plan how to lie to the human race because they like to be evil? Whoa, never thought that a geologist could be worse than Hitler…

Third: “Global warming is caused by humansâ€. I presume this idea comes from people watching documentaries such as “The global warming swindle†(actually you mention this documentary in your post). I have watched that documentary, and also watched other videos and articles answering to the conclusions drawn in that documentary, drawing the main inconsistencies contained in it (from a scientific point of view). Please, please, really please please read the following (you can even find criticisms to that documentary from scientists FEATURED in the documentary itself):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=414

You know, it is not only Al Gore that has the opinion of the global warming being caused by humans. Please learn the facts (all of them).

Regarding the rest of the videos you linked, I haven’t had time to watch them yet, but I will later today.

Regards.

[Spetz 0]

Oil will not completely finish, just that its new supply will dwindle down, many countries Oil reserves are going down,

back in the 20th century US produced more oil then any other country, the oil production peaked in the 1970's after that every year it gets less and less. there are many factors that play this, the current oil wells in Texas are cheap and easy to drill, so they have been used since the 1800's but the fields never completely dry up, they just have less and less oil left in them(deeper), there are places that have oil but its not available cause it costs like $100 a barrel to produce and process it. Alaska would be an example and the off-shore production.

Russia would also be an example, Russian oilfields are just as old as America's. They are dwindling too, they can increase the production of the oil but it will cost $1 trillion dollars to increase,

Currently Canadian light crude is also starting to get harder and harder to produce. Our oil sands have enough oil to last us a 100 years, but it costs us $100 dollars to produce.

[mr.g-c 6]

You guys know not much whats really going on... doesn't matter - its not your fault... as long as i inspired you to THINK, i have done my Job...

By the way, Codey Alimentarius is now what those guys have implemented in 2009 to actively population reduction.

Nice video in english and german from 10 days ago:

http://tinyurl.com/b2kp8w

[someboy 0]

Well, I stick with the position based on scientific evidence, not on pseudo-scientific opinions. If that means I have no idea what is going on...

I bet you didn't read any of the links I posted.

To spetz: yeah basically saying that oil will end means that the sources will become so scarce that it is not profitable to extract anymore. That should make today's global economic crysis a joke.

By the way, here's a list of organizations defending that the cause of global warming are humans (or at least most probably). All filled with people who does not know what is going on... right mr.g-c?

NASA

http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarmingQandA/

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif (The graph)

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

National Climatic Data Center

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

World Meteorological Organization (WMO)

http://www.wmo.ch/pages...._e.html

American Meteorological Society

http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2007climatechange.html

National Center for Atmospheric Research

“How do we know Earth is warming now?â€

http://www.ncar.ucar.edu/research/climate/now.php

Earth System Research Laboratory - Global Monitoring Division

“Climate Forcingâ€

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/about/climate.html

University Corporation for Atmospheric Research

http://www.ucar.edu/research/climate/warming.jsp

American Geophysical Union (world's largest scientific society of Earth and space scientists)

“Human Impacts on Climateâ€

http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html

Massachusetts Institute of Technology

“Report: Human activity fuels global warmingâ€

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/climate.html

California Institute of Technology

“How We Know Global Warming is Realâ€

“The science behind human-induced climate changeâ€

http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~tapio/papers/skeptic_2008.pdf

Atmospheric Sciences - University of Illinois - Champaign

“Evidence continues to mount that human activities are altering the Earth’s climate on a global scale.â€

http://www.atmos.uiuc.edu/research/01climate.html

Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

“Global Warmingâ€

http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12457

The UK’s Met Office Hadley Centre

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/guide/

The UK’s Royal Society

“Climate change controversies: a simple guideâ€

http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?id=6229

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (Based in Switzerland)

“Climate Change 2007: Synthesis Reportâ€

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf

National Geographic Magazine

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/

Scientific American Magazine

http://www.sciam.com/topic.cfm?id=global-warming-and-climate-change

Regards.

[mr.g-c 6]

I have no intention to argue with you or anyone else about specific topics for various reasons.

1. Is that English is not my native language and its really to much time consuming to use my translator to beat every "knowledge-less" and "mainstream-fraudulent-bullshit-repeating" things you just posted

2. A nice tip from me: I won't believe a single bit in those "official Items/Sources" you listed.... its maintream.. its what they think you should know about those topics.

Thats all i have to say for now.... as a half-jew with the knowledge that those eugenic programs were responsible for killing some of my ancestors, i stand very critic against such orgainsations such as the WWF - that was initially all i wanted to say.

BTW: With "alternative TVs channels" i meant really TV channels...

Over Television you know ....

No lame website which i found in 10seconds over google just to substantiate my knowledge.

Its like the clash of two worlds here i think... where i'm coming from in higher schools, we still get taught in germany to be VERY CRITIC about EVERY Information you read/hear/watched in the mass medias.

In (higher) german schools you still get taught to simply questioning EVERYTHING someone wants to tell you.

At least that was the case i still went to school (i'm now 27) - how it looks different i don't know, i have not much RL contact with younger persons..

Back to alternative channels because you asked:

Alternative channels in germany where i live, are non-private and advertising-less channels, which cutting into topics from a totally neutral point of view, without being made to force your opinions into one direction or without having a "final conclusion" at the end of a airing to force your believing into one direction they like...

Something like that you poor americans don't know anymore as everything news or media-related in your country is completely held private.

Everything simply tells the sort of opinion you should know, it simply is a mouthpiece for various interest groups, not more not less... Ohh and they care about money of course

Thats the reason most of you are so terrible dumbed-down and the whole world laughs about you.... but i said its not your fault, please don't feel attacked by that sentence - it hurts i know... there are really people to blame on which dumbed you down.

But back:

Usually i get my knowledge from books... mostly banned books to be correct, because here in the still occupied germany, books which telling any "sort of truth" getting banned more quickly than you can look for them.

That said i really look-up to the rest freedom you still have in the USA, cause i believe something like banning of books won't happen there (of ourse correct me if you know it different).

Questions answered? I don't go into specific topics as this is tooo time consuming.... make you own pictures, read EVERY SIDE of source you can get... you would be astonished that usually the "alternative" side has the better arguments or at least makes you maybe be more critical (really needed today).

[Serclaes 0]

Alternative channels in germany where i live, are non-private and advertising-less channels, which cutting into topics from a totally neutral point of view, without being made to force your opinions into one direction or without having a "final conclusion" at the end of a airing to force your believing into one direction they like....

OBJECTION. Remember the Frontal21 thing on video games? You really think this was neutral or objective?

Don't think because they are not private that they don't have to get money from somewhere.

Since you said non-private and advertising less i assume you talk about ARD, ZDF and "dritte" (= third, local programs) programs.

Staying critic towards everything you are being told until you have lived it for yourself is important. Everything can be altered so that you can misinterpret it.

Oh and btw "freedom" in germany isn't that "free". You can't legally not be on the governments radar. You have to be registered if you're living somewhere, have to have an insurance etc.

On topic, i am not going to take any special measure for "earth day". I try all the time not to waste water or energy.

[mr.g-c 6]

Hihi, no ARD, ZDF and "dritte" have now advertisings too and thus lost credibility for obvious reasons....

No i'm talking mainly about the best channel we have for alternative viewpoints - its called "ARTE".

Also sometimes you can view critic or at least "objective" and "opinion-less" discussions on "Pheonix" or "HR", "SWR", etc... the regional channels.

Example is Prof. Dr. Schachtschneider as he and a politicans stopped the EU Treaty (also called as "Lissabon treaty" -one of the biggest scam on earth).

Watch it in german Serclaess!:

I no TV channel of the world they would let him talk freely...

EDIT:

Also here is a complete university talking with him (in german only sorry) critical against the EU superstate:

http://video.google.de/videopl....r&hl=de

While being EU-critical, here something in german AND English very worthy to watch!:

Starts at 8:30 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmGX_-BYbV0

Part2             : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp0_lOJSZrU

Or complete cropped here: http://www.myvideo.de/watch....fassung

But really its 10 days old, watch this about their plans to reduce population by over 50%:

http://tinyurl.com/b2kp8w

[someboy 0]

Just a couple things to add. Agree that the best way to get "clean" information is to read from as many sources as possible. Still, as Serclaes pointed out, non-private source does not mean reliable.

I just believe that in this specific topic of climate change, scientific papers are the best source to rely on. It is not a matter of opinion or politics, it is based on actual data analysis. I wonder why you say that those sources are not realiable, or less reliable than yours. At least scientific papers go through a peer review, which means that several experts independently evaluate the paper accuracy prior its publication.

By the way, I don't know why you assumed I am american. I am european, and English is not my native language either.

Regards.

[mr.g-c 6]

Quote[/b] ] Still, as Serclaes pointed out, non-private source does not mean reliable.

True, however if you would be greman and watch some neutral/critical documenatries on those TV channels, you would know what i mean...

Quote[/b] ]...it is based on actual data analysis...

Which is faked.... its a scam....

Just watch this someboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=288952680655100870

It was aired in german in those "neutral" TV Channels, just to get a idea how critic these german TV Channels are!

EDIT here is german version:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8655966364251013448&hl=de

Quote[/b] ]By the way, I don't know why you assumed I am american. I am european, and English is not my native language either.

Sorry, the way you write english, i thought you must be american....

[Serclaes 0]

The problem is, as long as you are not an expert you can't tell. Somebody has to interpret those numbers for you. Only things you can fully understand are the evidence on which you can build your opinion.

Also, there has been climatic change on earth since earth exists. There is evidence of that (or aliens had fun carving erosion marks on earth). How can we, with exact records that start later than 1800 AD, tell if we are responsible for this climatic change? Co2 has an impact on climatic change for sure, but is it the main reason for this "disaster"? Or does earth carry on as before we started filling the air with co2?

edit: RTL neutral? seriously?

[someboy 0]

Quote[/b] ]Just watch this someboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=288952680655100870

Yes, I told you in a previous post I have seen this documentary, and I pointed you to some links where it gets dissected and analyzed by other people. Even scientints being featured in it have complained that their words were completely taken out of context, and that they were basically cheated.

Quote[/b] ]The problem is, as long as you are not an expert you can't tell. Somebody has to interpret those numbers for you. Only things you can fully understand are the evidence on which you can build your opinion.

Couldn't agree more. However, when thousands of scientists from the most renowned organizations agree on a fact... well, that give's you a hint.

[Spokesperson 0]

Earth Hour is bs.

It's still more profitable to pollute than to develop new tech that stops pollution. And as we all know companies in a market economy are completely based on profit maximization (if they want to survive).

You can't put money into things that won't generate profit because your competitors will get ahead of you doing better investments. Finally they will be able to produce things cheaper and win the competition.

So what's needed is a planned economy like in Cuba, that's based on optimized cooperation rather than competition. It's the only country in the world that has sustainable development according to WWF.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]But back:

Usually i get my knowledge from books... mostly banned books to be correct, because here in the still occupied germany, books which telling any "sort of truth" getting banned more quickly than you can look for them.

That said i really look-up to the rest freedom you still have in the USA, cause i believe something like banning of books won't happen there (of ourse correct me if you know it different).

Grow up.

List of books banned by governments

I´d like to know which specifical books you got your knowledge from ? A list please.

[Baff1 0]

It is not like they are asking you to do something for their own benefit... It is the benefit of all of us (and that includes you).

Please don't do it for my benefit.

This does not benefit me.

[NoRailgunner 0]

Whats wrong? Everybody is still free to do what he likes:

Quote[/b] ]Earth Hour is an annual international event created by the WWF (World Wide Fund for Nature/World Wildlife Fund), held on the last Saturday of March, that asks households and businesses to turn off their non-essential lights and electrical appliances for one hour to raise awareness towards the need to take action on climate change.

You are free to be afraid of special forces, send from your government - to unplug/switch off all electrical things in your home or room...

[someboy 0]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (someBoy @ Mar. 03 2009,23:43)

It is not like they are asking you to do something for their own benefit... It is the benefit of all of us (and that includes you).

Please don't do it for my benefit.

This does not benefit me.

Why not?

[Mr_Tea 0]

I don`t need a special day to save energy, as i do that every day like many of us.

Electricity is getting more and more expensive, if that alone is no reason for someone to save energy, i`m afraid the Earth Hour 2009 won`t help much.

[sanctuary 19]

Edit : oops posted in the wrong thread, lesson to learn : don't have too much threads opened in various tabs of your browser

[Dwarden 1124]

there are many ways how improve mankind environmental problems ...

unfortunately these 'rapid' solutions mentioned by many 'fast grown green style' organizations are just hidden PR of various industrial firms

for me ideal way to celebrate would be announcement of new nuclear reactor(s) from Generation IV going live in next decade

while more Generation 3 are built this decade ...

and to these speaking about 'waste' ...

that waste from generation 1-3 could be used as Generation 4 and 5 fuel while resulting half-life decay is less than year

to that cuba comment ...

41 years proved in my country (communism) that state driven economy is way to hell and way worse than capitalism or socialistic capitalism

[Spetz 0]

Yea those Gen 4 reactors are supposed to be able to create hydrogen as a by product too, I hope the Project for the Fusion Reactor also works out,

Some companies do legitimate jobs in reducing waste, like Toyota and Honda. While companies like Walmart just do it as a PR measure,

[Spokesperson 0]

"Socialistic capitalism" is an oxymoron. Absence of capitalism is required for socialism.

State driven economies are both more efficient and democratic.

[mr.g-c 6]

Grow up.

List of books banned by governments

I´d like to know which specifical books you got your knowledge from ? A list please.

1. Please de not tell me to grow up, thanks!

2. Actually i was rather more referring to actual (written after WW2) system-critical books, which should be obvious to such a "mature person like you", when you really got the context of my posts.

However looking over that list even more confirms me, in what kind of modern slavary we live since centuries, in which "free speech" is worth a piece of shit....

Thats all i have to say and no, i won't post you a list of books.      

[Serclaes 0]

Yeah, well, Germany is the best example for missing freedom of speech and spineless politicians.

This is also the reason german nuclear power plants are going offline (to stay on topic). Despite being much more efficient pollution/energy wise than solar panels, barrages, wind turbines etc. Sure those technologies are in their footsteps, but there are flaws which are much more fundamental than the technology. Be it clouds or night for solar panels, clam for wind turbines etc.

Since the population has so been hyped on "green" that you can't say "we need to go back on nuclear power" anymore.

Our governments are democratic, because democracy has been the least disastrous in its short history. Or so to say it is not the best but the least of all evils.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]1. Please de not tell me to grow up, thanks!

2. Actually i was rather more referring to actual (written after WW2) system-critical books, which should be obvious to such a "mature person like you", when you really got the context of my posts.

1. I´ll tell anyone to grow up who´s fuelling or starting a discussion that´s filled with onesided hypocracy theories without backup. That´s my link to reality.

2. I assume myself as a moderately educated and world-prooven 37 year (duh) old guy, who´s reading alot, who´s been into all that conspiracy books, who´s received "banned" books from friends and all that. In the end it was just a juvenile behaviour as most of the books were simply idiotic and farfetched only serving some hungry minds who wanted to see the reality different, with more background.

Funnily enough you´ll sooner or later find that there is no such thing as banned books in germany. If you´re 18 you can buy them or order them abroad if they are not sold in germany. Easy as that. All that big myth about banned books is simply nonsense. Most of them are porno-books that were put on the index more than 30 years ago. Go guess, no political content there.

The rest is nazi shit and communist weirdo-punk. Go figure...no big loss.

You can even go to a library and read "Mein Kampf" if you want to. You can´t buy it because Bavaria owns the copyright and doesn´t print it. That´s all the story about it.

We don´t live in the 20´s or 30´s anymore. If there´s that big conspiracy going on it´s happening right in front of your eyes.

Noone needs to cover it up as people are simply too lazy to do anything against such things. Fastfood, television and cheap gasoline, that´s what´s important today.

Today there are more whistelblowers than secrets and everyone wants to toot everything instantly on Youtube and Twitter.

Quote[/b] ]Yeah, well, Germany is the best example for missing freedom of speech and spineless politicians.

Really ? Where is your freedom of speech limited ?

Have you been to a country where wearing a T-shirt get´s you into serious trouble. Noone here cares about such. Go to the USA and wear a Osama bin Laden T-Shirt and we´ll see where you end. You can wear a RAF T-Shirt here without any hassle.

We´re all fed well here in germany so unless you got experiences in other countries that make you value our system it´s better to be a bit more relaxed.

Go to egypt and post some governmet critical comments on the i-net and *bang* you´re gone, go to russia and post some kremlin-criticism and *bang* you´re dead. Wake up, we´re living in a country with a working jurisdiction where civil rights are indeed held up high. That´s of course not the resul of the last 20 years policy but still an outcome of the post-nazi era where people where gassed for opposition.

Spineless politicians ? I agree totally, but the nature of the professionalized political democracy simply leads to this in the longrun. Pity, but true.