No Community suggestions get considered anymore?

[mr.g-c 6]

Hi, after listening the very dissapointing Suma Interview, is it really true that none of our community-made suggestions get incorporated because they were simply to late suggested??

Com' on, this must be a joke.......

PLEASE ANY BIS DEVELOPER, answer whether this is true or not....

Regards, Christian

[stakex 0]

I haven't listened to the interview yet... but I would assume if they intend to release the game before the end of the year, they have very likely finalized their feature list at this point. You really can't be adding in new features when you only have a few months of development left. Because the more you add, the more problems you can have, and the longer development takes. Not to say small things might not still be added... but when it comes to big features, were getting too close to release to expect the devs to add new ones in.

Either way, the developers have been getting community suggestions since the day OFP came out. So for years Im sure they have listened to what the community has said, and there has to be a cutoff at some point. Now... how many community suggestions made it into the game anyway? Thats probly the bigger question.

[funnyguy1 0]

I think it is pointless to discouss it...to me, Suma explained everything what I wanted to know about it, and it just prooves that the game is at quite advanced stage of development. It's obvious they'll be changing things, and adding stuff (remember arma?), but it is quite pointless to suggest new things now. I mean, it's not because they're lazy...it's because the game concept is pretty much as they want it to be, and they are doing their best until it hits the shelves...that's how I see it.

All those suggestions are valuable for ArmA3...if they decide to make it of course...

[paragraphic l 2]

You can still suggest everything!

But I guess only small additions or maybe tweaks can be made at this stage. So if you have any coming into mind suggest it, but suggestions like: THEY SHOULD USE THEM OMFG WOOT CRY2 ENGINE... well they are a bit to late.

Offcourse you can suggest something that would brake a mission and still have it implemented into the game, as long as it is WORTH doing so and spending the time into.

BIS also does not want to dissapoint and lose costumers with a BIG delay in the release date.

Now most of the stuff in this forum wasn't even usefull if suggested before they started creating ArmA I, just because we have NO idea what it takes to create some stuff and therefor just suggest anything that comes into mind and may not be realistic to create with any deathline, team size and budget in the comming 5 years or so

[baddo 0]

Imagine a scenario where you are a game developer, and the game you are developing is already over 50 % done and that you must work hard to keep in the planned schedual.

Now, imagine that a random bunch of people from the Internet comes to you and demands that you must add this and this and this and you know what, even that! Into the game. Or you totally suck and you will be burned and your head will be put to display on the city gates.

Now, what kind of reply can you give to those kinds of people? Would you be so calm that you could be as polite as Suma was, or would your response perhaps be much more rude? Judging from the behaviour you have recently shown on this forum, I bet that your response to such requests would be much, much more uglier than Suma's.

[mr.g-c 6]

Quote[/b] ]Judging from the behaviour you have recently shown on this forum, I bet that your response to such requests would be much, much more uglier than Suma's.

What kind of bad behavior? I just told my (yes very critic) opinion to the interview, or better to the information i got from it.

Also the "way" i write here can mean nothing about my self, because you just see text and YOUR imagination tells you how i probably mean a specific part in my text.

That the problem be cause you don't:

a) see my mimics nor my gesticulations (i always have a grin on my face when being critic here)

b) Don't hear the sound of my voice.

And by the way, i'm not the only one of the community who have this meaning on the interview informations - i'm just so dumb to publish it I'm just a very very critic, direct but still honest guy.

BTT:

It sounded to me that they don't consider suggestions anymore since a longer time.

Also his argument like: "if you want some screenshots then this costs time which we don't have for developing"...

I mean, com 'on, taking some screenshots doesn't need the power of the whole developing team, nor does it take very long....

And there where other things he said where i only put my hand on my head and thought "ohh my goodness".....

At the other side, maybe this is all part of the company-politics to give the competitors as less actual progress and overall feature-informations as possible....

But i doubt it. For ARMA1 so much thing were announced and cut-off at the end.

Also things like the change(huge step backwards) in building-destroying and the use (according to newest screens) of mainly un-enterable and OFP/VBS1 recycled, ugly Buildings without real windows tells me everything what we can await from Arma2

Best Regards, Christian

[max power 21]

Suma said in the interview that they take what we say into consideration, but as of now, the feature list for arma 2 is closed.

[W0lle 1048]

Quote[/b] ]What kind of bad behavior? I just told my (yes very critic) opinion to the interview, or better to the information i got from it.

Here some examples for your behaviour and "critic opinion":

Quote[/b] ]Seriously and for your own best, you(the executives of BIS) should consider to hire some good company-consulting specialists, or it can be happen really soon that ARMA2 was the last game you guys produced.

Quote[/b] ]Someone/some rich company of the western country's should buy-out your whole company and should put some serious pressure on you guys or even fire the executives, thats what you are missing i assume (together with the listening to your buyers - the community represents them!

Quote[/b] ]Yes and you talk further your kind of bullshit and crouch into their asses deeper and deeper.... you probably have no idea about business.....

With above stuff that you posted earlier in the Interview thread you disqualified yourself, and now you expect that a developer takes the time to discuss with you about listening to the community?

[Heatseeker 0]

Suma said that the feature list was pretty much closed by now, i understand that they cant introduce new features past a certain stage of development (because they would have to rework the content or even start it from scratch) but what we know so far (feature wise) is not alot..

Arma II expectations.

According to his last blog entry there is technology that they couldnt take full advantage of in Arma due to late implementation, he only mentioned two.

I think there are significant and neat features that they could develop with very little work and even without any technological inovations, i.e:

[*]A modern combat game on an engine that handles cameras so well and we dont have sattelite imagery, UAV's..

[*]Animated hatches and vehicle side doors, ramps, etc are also possible.

[*]Individual weapon animations defined by class (SMG, MG, bolt action, assault rifle, grenade launcher) should be possible.

[*]Vehicle interiors are definetly possible .

I understand that Suma is the lead engine programer and these things are not his field of work, fortunetly they have more programers/designers too.

I think they need some inspiration though .

[mr.g-c 6]

Hey, your fourth quote, i only said this because someone other told me i'm talking only bullshit. Was just to defend myself (forbidden somehow? )

Regarding to the "second quote", i still have this opinion while the third quote was a bit to harsh i have to admit.....

Quote[/b] ]With above stuff that you posted earlier in the Interview thread you disqualified yourself....

Really??.... you think so?

Quote[/b] ]...and now you expect that a developer takes the time to discuss with you about listening to the community?

No i never expect anything, and i'm just asking that what people around are asking, what you hear for example on a gameservers or in other community-forums.

Regards, Christian

[stakex 0]

It sounded to me that they don't consider suggestions anymore since a longer time.

Also his argument like: "if you want some screenshots then this costs time which we don't have for developing"...

I mean, com 'on, taking some screenshots doesn't need the power of the whole developing team, nor does it take very long....

And there where other things he said where i only put my hand on my head and thought "ohh my goodness".....

At the other side, maybe this is all part of the company-politics to give the competitors as less actual progress and overall feature-informations as possible....

But i doubt it. For ARMA1 so much thing were announced and cut-off at the end.

Also things like the change(huge step backwards) in building-destroying and the use (according to newest screens) of mainly un-enterable and OFP/VBS1 recycled, ugly Buildings without real windows tells me everything what we can await from Arma2

W0lle has a very good point you know....

But as for this post, your still not getting it. Game developers close the features list on games long before the game actually comes out. These suggestion forums have been here for YEARS... why is it such a big deal to you that they now, after all this time, say they are not taking suggestions anymore? You have had plenty of time to add opinion/suggestions and there comes a time when the devs have to actually set the list of things they want to accomplish, and go do it. You can't keep adding to it, becuase the game will never come out. The devs might very well have alot on that list we don't know about yet... only time will tell.

And some companies just don't frequently release screenshots for games... especially when the games pretty far from release. Why? The bottom part of your post is EXACTLLY why... "the use (according to newest screens) of mainly un-enterable and OFP/VBS1 recycled, ugly Buildings without real windows tells me everything what we can await from Arma2". You were looking at fairly early screenshots when you made that assumption. Its been stated in an interview, that all building models in the game will likely be new in ArmA2. So, by BIS releaseing thoes early screenshots, your now complaning about something thats probly not even an issue. Thats exactlly why some companies don't release screenshots untill the games almost finished... for all we know, ArmA2 will look totally diffrent when it comes out.

[dm 9]

No i never expect anything

So you dont expect anything, just demand it?

[mr.g-c 6]

Quote[/b] ]....You were looking at fairly early screenshots when you made that assumption.....

No, the ones i think about are just a week old from the "Gamestar preview" floating around here in the forums somewhere....

Quote[/b] ]Its been stated in an interview, that all building models in the game will likely be new in ArmA2

So you really think they replace ALL Buildings we seen so far in Arma2 Videos and screen by totally new ones? I doubt that....

I mean, didn't they said somewhere that they are very far in the progress of designing the world with all the objects?

Quote[/b] ]So you dont expect anything, just demand it?

I don't demand anything - im asking just questions my friend......

Regards, Christian

[paragraphic l 2]

Just for the screenshot part:

Offcourse then CAN just make an screenshot of what is in their screen at that moment, en place it on the net.

Most probably you wont see anything you've not seen earlier

The screen might show some bugs they have to fix yet, or might be fixed at an different version than the current team member is using

And well, I think they want us to be thrilled when we see a new shot, not just think it is another random one with nothing special

And I would probably be able to keep on going if I knew some more about game development and BIS' their Marketing team

[Placebo 28]

All suggestions made will get due consideration if there's time to read them, sorry but demanding acknowledgement of your suggestions is not feasible, but if you have something to suggest you are entitled to suggest it, if it gets used then you can feel proud it was used, if not, well never say never......