Lawsuit against cheating scum?

[DBO_ 0]

Quote[/b] ]It doesnt matter if the key changer allows them to come back after being banned

It does like i said before ,the reason for wanting the id changer is given and the provider of the key suggests that the key changer will provide a means to return and crash a server again, thus by passing any means provided by Bis to stop the user crashing his server.

Quote[/b] ]and Im still not convinced they are directly crashing or supporting the crashing of servers.

Thas because you are not privvy to all the facts, nor are you likely to be. you think that real evidence would be posted here ?

what case would they have if they posted ,dev changelogs ,archived readmes , links to proof etc etc..

you asked how it is illegal , you have been answered. to ask for proof that they are linked is moot, because i dont believe you or i will ever see it unless we are in a court watching this case (if one ever comes to court).

THE END

for my input on this ;0

good luck to all server owners we players are all behind you.

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

Quote[/b] ]and Im still not convinced they are directly crashing or supporting the crashing of servers.

 Thas because you are not privvy to all the facts, nor are you likely to be. you think that real evidence would be posted here ?

what case would they have if they posted ,dev changelogs ,archived readmes , links to proof etc etc..

you asked how it is illegal , you have been answered. to ask for proof that they are linked is moot, because i dont believe you or i will ever see it unless we are in a court watching this case (if one ever comes to court).

Why wouldnt they post any real evidence?

AND all evidence has to be sent to defence council before a trial. They would have the same case.

Quote[/b] ]And there is no problem whatsoever when i play

on a normal day..Whitout these punks throwing

GBU´s like in a million and stashing buildings in

huge towers just to blow em down..

Because when they do that its causing more stress to be put on the card then normal play. But thats still because your card seems to be overheating because your not properly cooling it.

[M.Andersson(SWE) 4]

I dont have to have the best.

I play "Evo" because its nice to my PC.

I know i cant play other missions that

press my card to the maximum, and i

dont. Couse i know i cant play them.

That doesent mean they can do whatever they

want...

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

... You dont have to have the best to protect your card from overheating....

Well untill someone/thing stops them they will continue to do what they want. But they definetly arent responcible for your lack of cooling for your video card when stressed by the game.

You better just get some fans on there and in your case if it doesnt already. Possibly lower settings /+ undo overclocks if you have any maybe underclock. Its better to be safe....The next time it could cause lasting damage.

[M.Andersson(SWE) 4]

Well. I state i again...When playing on a server without

these hacks/cheats its ok. Even on normal settings.

But i say i gain. I shouldnt have to buy the best

just couse thes basterds keep on doing what they

do. I mean we could have a case as regarding

"TRESPASSING". We dont whant them on the servers,

they HAVE to respect that..If a clan have a server

of their own or maby leasing one. That server is their

PRIVAT domain. If they dont whant them there

and they come anyway, thats Trespassing...

Period.

[=JoKeR= 0]

The games on the list

-Vietcong 1 & 2

Are dead meat by now,VC1 was plenty of cheaters,Kc dudes were free to in and play on servers with no complains by anyone

-Armed Assault

Sucks I'm not playing it anymore,is free to die with Gambit and his sequel

-S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

Do not want

-Battlefield 2/2142

Is for kids,plenty of cheaters who cares

-Call of Juarez

I don't know the game

Counter Strike: Source

Same as BF/shitty EA saga

-WarRock

I don't know the game

-Americas Army

As said by a prisoner on Thief 1:

-Rats alwyas rats

Call of Duty

Is plenty of cheaters,PB is not supported anymore,cheaters don't care about dead came and they follow you thrhough walls with no complaints

-Soldner: Secret Wars

Dead meat

-Jedi Academy

Stars Wars are pure shit like the movies

-Grand Theft Auto (MTA)

Impossible to fight cheats,plenty of kids,plenty of cheats,rats everywhere

-FIFA 07

Calcio sux (.cit)

-SOCOM 3

I don't know the game

-Splinter Cell 3

Clancy's games et-similia are boring like his books

Cheats everywere,fight cheats with cheats and go on

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

Put a password / lock your server?

If you actually think they are going to stop joining your server or server you frequent because you dont want them there, or that what they do is causing too much stress on your system, keep dreaming. They dont care about that at all. In fact you would become a favorite victum. Thats pretty much what they do. They join servers to ruin them. When it gets to you and you start trying to insult them, first off your not hurting their feelings. This is how they want to you to react. They thrive off it. They take screen shots of your reactions and masurbate to them and whatever else they do with them.

Lock, password, strictly admin your servers untill theres something else.

Why arent there any scripters coming on here to release any anti-KFC scripts players/admins can use.

I saw someone came on here saying they have made a mission that stops the current scripts they are using.

Thats not exactly the greatest thing since its in the mission, and not universal for the servers missions. But possibly that stuff can be transfered to other missions....

and here, this is what they use to prevent themselves from being locked. Why dont admins and other players start using this type of stuff as well to protect themselves. You can use their stuff against them.

antilock.sqs

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">TitleText [format["Antilock on"], "PLAIN DOWN"]

~2

TitleText [format[" "], "PLAIN DOWN"]

#loop

["disableuserinput false;"]

disableuserinput false;

goto "loop"

This is how they do unlock_all.sqs

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">["player setdammage 0.123; if (damage player == 0.123) then {player setdammage 0;disableuserinput false}"] exec "\NL1TTfTUIyRjJ9r5\scripts\_do_public.sqs"

_do_public.sqs

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">KFC_NL1TTfTUIyRjJ9r5_command = _this select 0;

_x = random 5000;

_y = random 5000;

_z = 0;

KFCNL1TTfTUIyRjJ9r5 = "SoldierECrew" createunit [[_x,_y,_z], group player, format["%1", KFC_NL1TTfTUIyRjJ9r5_command]];

~0.01

deletevehicle KFCNL1TTfTUIyRjJ9r5

KFCNL1TTfTUIyRjJ9r5 = nearestobject [[_x,_y,_z],"SoldierECrew"];

deletevehicle KFCNL1TTfTUIyRjJ9r5

exit

Not sure exactly how you would input these into scripts other then using their cheat. But surely its possible.

and Ive found they do have a script to crash players in there. Not sure if it would crash a server though.

[Doolittle 0]

Send the hack in to BIS....

If BIS would make it so that map makers could "intercept" calls to commands... then we could make it so setdamage could only be called from a server machine... or even disable that command if we're not using it in the mission.

I would be willing to rewrite all maps to handle a more client/server design... e.g. server is only one who can execute createvehicle and setdamage stuff. Would be fun to write up too.

Doolittle

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

Im sure they already have it....its been public for awhile now and talked about on here plenty.

[Dwarden 1125]

Youve already proven you dont understand those laws.

They are in reference to security hacking. DDoSing, Trojans, forceabliy gaining access to the server.

Not spawn a bunch of objects on a online game that lets you do it. Or the server crashing do to bugs in its own coding.(My belief)

erm crashing server or even whole internet backbone (aka cisco routers) just because of flaw in OS / firmware is crime

something like buffer overflow ... ring bell? what about holes in apache, sql, iis ... and guess what ... coders and attackers already got nailed, jailed and fined ...

or you gunna argue it's faulty coding of Linus ? MS ? Cisco ? and that person who crashed anything using these was just trying to point out the hole ...

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to oChaos.DNJ

It is crime to pass data to a server that causes the server to not operate in the way it was set up for by the owner.

It says so in the laws I have posted here on several occasions, and people have been convicted with those laws.

That is why the police are investigating it and that is why they assigned a case number to it.

No server is ever secure not even the pentagon that is why the laws are there.

Just the same as with a bank. The bank can have the best lock and doors in the world but an armed bank robber can threaten the key holder and gain entry.

What protects the bank then is that the armed robber is the criminal law.

What protects person from rape is criminal law.

What protects your server from being cracked is criminal law.

It is the data that a Tk/cheater/griefer/ sends to the server which alters the data on the server in a way that is without without permission of the owner. Just one byte is enough to convict.

You cannot escape it oChaos.DNJ that is why those on the Tk/cheater/griefer/ website are running scared. The police are now investigating them and it did not cost those who reported the crime a penny.

Reporting a crime is FREE!

And now more and more games forums are taking up the call.

Remember Remember the 5th of November

Kind Regards Walker

[jasono 0]

It is illegal, and I agree they should go to jail.

However, I don't think police see this as an important issue. If someone come up to me (as a police officer) and said some people was cheating and ruining the fun, I would laugh. It would be embarrasing.

If you do ask, I don't see how the police can prioritze it. Theres loads of cases to be solved, and an online game cheater isn't going to put it at the top of the pile.

I was mugged a few years ago for a 250GBP phone and 80GBP MP3 Player. Police took a statement over phone - never heard from them again

As much as I would like to see action done, unless your willing to get your own lawyer, you'll be waiting forever (I mean ages..)

[walker 0]

Hi

JasonO

The crime is altering data on a computer

The Computer Misuse Act 1990

Quote[/b] ]Computer misuse offences

1 Unauthorised access to computer material (1) A person is guilty of an offence if—

( a ) he causes a computer to perform any function with intent to secure access to any program or data held in any computer;

( b ) the access he intends to secure is unauthorised; and

( c ) he knows at the time when he causes the computer to perform the function that that is the case.

( 2 ) The intent a person has to have to commit an offence under this section need not be directed at—

( a ) any particular program or data;

( b ) a program or data of any particular kind; or

( c ) a program or data held in any particular computer.

( 3 ) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or to both.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1990/Ukpga_19900018_en_1.htm As always follow link to the original materials and to read more

As ammended by the Police and Justice Act 2006.

Quote[/b] ]

A person is guilty of an offence if, with the requisite intent—

(a) he does any act—

(i) which causes; or

(ii) which he intends to cause, directly or indirectly, an impairment of access to any program or data held in computer A;

(b) the act is unauthorised; and

© he knows at the time when he does the act that he is doing so.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1)—

(a) ‘the act is unauthorised’ if the person doing it—

(i) is not the owner—

(a) of computer A, or

(b) (where paragraph (b)(i)(b) applies) of computer

A or computer B; or

(ii) does not have the permission of the owner—

(a) of computer A, or

(b) (where paragraph (b)(i)(b) applies) of computer

A or computer B; and

(b) ‘the requisite intent’ is—

(i) intent to damage the performance of an activity—

(a) for which computer A, or any program or data held in computer A, is used; or

(b) for which computer B, or any program or data held in computer B, is used, where that intended damage results, or would result, in damage to the performance of an activity for which computer A, or any program or data held in computer A, is used;

(ii) together with intent—

(a) to commit an offence to which this section applies; or

(b) to facilitate the commission of such an offence (whether by himself or by any other person), and the offence he intends to commit or facilitate is referred to below in this section as the further offence.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa....-i.html

As always follow link to the original materials and to read more

In other words you only have to alter data without permission of the server owner to commit the offence.

And any one who knowingly aids some one in altering data on a server, by say running a web site that organises and provides a service to aid in the commision of the crime is also guilty of the crime.

Kind Regards walker

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

Youve already proven you dont understand those laws.

They are in reference to security hacking. DDoSing, Trojans, forceabliy gaining access to the server.

Not spawn a bunch of objects on a online game that lets you do it. Or the server crashing do to bugs in its own coding.(My belief)

erm crashing server or even whole internet backbone (aka cisco routers) just because of flaw in OS / firmware is crime

something like buffer overflow ... ring bell? what about holes in apache, sql, iis ... and guess what ... coders and attackers already got nailed, jailed and fined ...

or you gunna argue it's faulty coding of Linus ? MS ? Cisco ? and that person who crashed anything using these was just trying to point out the hole ...

Wrong reasoning. Your assuming they are in fact initiating a script that does crash the server.

When in fact the server could crash be crashing all on its own. Where they are not directly or delibratly responcible for it crashing.

Or these crashes arent even coming from them but from mods like XAM1.3. But everyone screams fire because they dont know what else to do.

There isnt a server crasher in their scripts. But theres some sort of a player crasher, which works threw some scripting.

Dont know about legalities behind that.

[walker 0]

Hi all

in reply to oChaos.DNJ

Read the law I just posted up, you can go to the originals via the links I posted.

it is there in black and white it only needs

Quote[/b] ]intent to damage the performance of an activity

Just altering data for which

Quote[/b] ]computer A, or any program or data held in computer A, is used; or (b) for which computer B, or any program or data held in computer B, is used, where that intended damage results, or would result, in damage to the performance of an activity for which computer A, or any program or data held in computer A, is used;

it does not need to take down the server it only has to impair the use intended by the owner.

You cannot get away from it oChaos.DNJ Tk/cheater/griefers are breaking the law and its a crime.

That is why the police are taking it serously, that is why other game forums are following suit.

Kind Regards walker

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

and that is why like 1000s of cheater hackers tkers griefers, ect sites exist right?

I'll just put it like this. The US military hasnt been able to what you think you can do so easily here in their game.

Especially with what I hear here being mostly assumptions.

I believe Im the only one who has offered up any sort information regarding what they are actually doing...

Just a bunch of speculation and assumptions.

[Balschoiw 0]

I´m not getting it.

What´s the problem with the legal approach they took oChaos.DNJ ?

If it works : Hip , Hip !

If it doesn´t, nothings lost.

I guess you are not a judge or a lawyer, so your also fishing in the dark.

Walker has some experience in this field, so I guess he knows slightly more of what he´s talking about than you.

I´m getting really tired of this debate here, furthermore there is actually no need to debate it as the jurisdiction will be the ones to decide if it´s worth it or not.

Leave it up to them to decide and keep that "I know it better than you, although I don´t really know it better, but I can always claim to" - talk out of here.

Again, if they (police, jurisdiction) decide to consider actions

it´s a win situation. If they don´t, we have learned that it didn´t work. As noone is spending money on this (apart from the server owners who suffer a loss because the server is not available for the reasons mentioned) there is no risk for anyone but those who conduct acts that create the situation on the servers.

Why don´t you just rest this useless and tiring debate and relax, sit back and wait for the things to come ?

You don´t know, Walker doesn´t know, the man in the moon doesn´t know, but it´s worth the try.

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

No he doesnt.

He said speed hack is a crime. Blew away any possible credibility he could of had with me.

Yeah let um go for it, but why should I have to support it?

[froggyluv 2136]

No he doesnt.

He said speed hack is a crime. Blew away any possible credibility he could of had with me.

Yeah let um go for it, but why should I have to support it?

You dont'- you also don't have to post ad nauseum about why you don't support it.

Fact is Walker and Dwarden are right and like Balschoiw stated the legality will be decided by the law - not you, no matter how much you really really want it to. Wonder if those guys can hack there way out of prison Doubt it as they are second rate hackers to begin with...

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to oChaos.DNJ yes I did say a speed crack is a crime because:

A speed crack as with any crack used in a multi user environment via a server; is data sent to that server; it is achieved either by altered files or additional files or external exe.

Once it steps from the tk/cheater/griefers computer onto the internet and into another persons computer and alters data in a way not intended by the owner of the server the crime is committed.

That is what the law says read it.

The crime is altering data on a computer.

You only have to alter data without permission of the server owner to commit the offence.

And aiding and abetting someone to alter data on a computer is also a crime.

Please read the legal quotes I am putting up; if you do not trust me as you have stated read the original documents I have placed the links there for that very purpose.

Since the police are accepting it as a crime worth investigating you cannot escape the facts.

In reply to froggyluv they are not hackers they are crackers at the most and the majority of them are just script kiddies who just download the scripts made for them. There is no skill involved in this it is like comparing a tagger to a graffiti artist who paints a beautiful mural. These are just cracker taggers.

By the way I have also made the mistake of labeling it hacking when in fact it is script kiddie cracking. The influence of the media mixing hacking up with cracking gets to us all

Kind Regards walker

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

No wrong. Its not altering data on the server or how its read. its the client altering a varible in his memory. Everything on the server is functioning exactly the same. Hes just moving faster. So his locations is being updated at greater distances then if he was moving slower.

You gave them permiss to alter data on the server by allowing them to join the server anyways. Your wrong. Every person who joins the server is altering data on the server threw your views.

Your confused on what altering data is.

But I'll talk to on this November 5th and see if you got anywhere. Willing to send me $1000 paypal if your totally wrong?

[BraTTy 0]

I read some/most of this topic and I have some input.

At first I thought Chaos was one of them. Even if he is, he is helping us defend against them.I don't think he is.Doesn't matter anyways, he's obviously a customer and wants to play too.

Alot of what he says I have to agree with.

In the USA police are busy, unless you have hardcore evidence they won't arrest anyone.

My autobodyshop was recently burglarized and over 7000$ worth of stuff was stolen.I seen who was loading it and so didn't my landlord.It was hardly investigated and was listed as vandalism so the police can continue to sit in their chairs.

I figure that the amount of crimes in my area (burglaries every night obviously) causes the police to be numb to a felony theft

Yet I watch Dallas SWAT on TV and they organize a SWAT team to try to arrest a person stealing copper wire valued at 2800$.And they didn't get him/them.He had the tools (scales,burned plastic piles) But at midnight he didn't have any coppr on hand (duh)

I had my car stolen once (i delivered pizza and just started it and left it running) A group of teenagers hopped in it and many people witnessed it.Once the police returned my vehicle it was "operation without owners consent"

If the children got hurt, I had bad brakes or what-have-you.I would be sitting in jail. (thank friggen god, they even outran the police mid-winter in my awd subaru)

No different than I leaving a loaded gun on the sidewalk and a child picked it up.

Chaos views are realstic.We need some good proof and that people are losing money.

I can say that I know BIS are losing money because I am scared of playing online (someone may capture my cdkey)

And the fact that new people may not be buying the game after reading this topic.

I think right now, server password would be the only way (but how many friends I got here that will give me a pw to play,lol) I don't play much MP to be well known,trusted

And to the dude that claims OFP2 by codemasters is the answer, it will be surely hacked too

Any new game is in jeapordy,I am sure cybercrime is so common, the people pursuing it are also numb (compare it to the mass spyware running) I'd rather stop that crap first

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

They need more then proof someones losing money. They need proof of someone actually doing something illegal.

IE: Crashing servers intentionally, Piracy

This whole unauthorized modification of data on the server by means of things like speed hacks or whatever, is total BS.

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to oChaos.DNJ

It is all data oChaos.DNJ. There is nothing else on a computer. Just zeros and ones, (unless it is an analog computer but they are very rare) a binary data stream, even if it was none binary it would still be data.

As to where it is happening I am 100% clear as to what is happening server side and what is happening client side. You on the other hand do not seem to be aware.

when position is updated on the server it is happening server side. zeros and ones oChaos.DNJ zeros and ones.

Can I ask what qualifications you have in computing?

As to the law it is the The Computer Misuse Act 1990

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1990/Ukpga_19900018_en_1.htm

It is made explicit in this section of the Police and Justice Act 2006 ammendment to the The Computer Misuse Act 1990

Quote[/b] ](2)   For the purposes of subsection (1)—

(a)   ‘the act is unauthorised’ if the person doing it—

(i)   is not the owner—

(a)   of computer A, or

(b)   (where paragraph (b)(i)(b) applies) of computer

A or computer B; or

(ii)   does not have the permission of the owner—

(a)   of computer A, or

(b)   (where paragraph (b)(i)(b) applies) of computer

A or computer B; and

(b)   ‘the requisite intent’ is—

(i)   intent to damage the performance of an activity—

My user of bold

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa....-i.html As always follow link to the original materials and to read more.

It is a crime oChaos.DNJ and best of all it is FREE to report a crime.

Kind Regards walker

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

lalalalala your talking in circles.

Modifying the memory of a client on a multiplayer game has already been proven in court to be legal. IE: Trainers

Your laws are based on breaking into a server to make unauthorized modification to data.

and you still dont realize a speed hack doesnt make unauthorized modification of data on the server or data thats unacceptable. Its all valid normal data.

Only thing that changes is the xyz coordinates are farther apart from where they last were then if they didnt have a speed hack.

Or rather it takes less time to get from A to B.