m107 recoil crazy unrealistic in game

[max power 21]

Balance should be left as the concern of map makers. If the anti-materiel cannons have ridiculous recoil for balance, why does SLA have weaker tanks and cars than USA and why is the SAW such an übergun?

That's not for you to decide.

My reason for bringing it up was that the realism argument isn't going to do any good if the balance issue is an essential component of their decision making process.

And thus the question in my post after the opinion part.

Because that's the way they want it to work? I think it's pretty silly too (the m249), but that seems to be the way they want it to work.

[celery 8]

Balance should be left as the concern of map makers. If the anti-materiel cannons have ridiculous recoil for balance, why does SLA have weaker tanks and cars than USA and why is the SAW such an übergun?

That's not for you to decide.

My reason for bringing it up was that the realism argument isn't going to do any good if the balance issue is an essential component of their decision making process.

And thus the question in my post after the opinion part.

Because that's the way they want it to work? I think it's pretty silly too, but that seems to be the way they want it to work.

So basically you're saying "it's senseless to even discuss because BIS does what it likes"? I think it's obvious that they're in charge but I don't get the point of your debating.

[max power 21]

Balance should be left as the concern of map makers. If the anti-materiel cannons have ridiculous recoil for balance, why does SLA have weaker tanks and cars than USA and why is the SAW such an übergun?

That's not for you to decide.

My reason for bringing it up was that the realism argument isn't going to do any good if the balance issue is an essential component of their decision making process.

And thus the question in my post after the opinion part.

Because that's the way they want it to work? I think it's pretty silly too, but that seems to be the way they want it to work.

So basically you're saying "it's senseless to even discuss because BIS does what it likes"? I think it's obvious that they're in charge but I don't get the point of your debating.

Nope, I was saying that the realism argument isn't going to sway them if that's not their only consideration. I was also saying that there's no external locus of authority in realism... ie. the real world is not a source of authority when making game decisions, it is one source of information. A better argument would include other considerations, but in the end, yes, ultimately it's BIS's property.

I was saying it's not your decision whose priority game balance is. Evidently, BIS has chosen to try and balance their game to their liking. To tell them to totally rewrite every config in their arsenal is a little too much.

[bonko the sane 2]

all these threads about this and that, personally, im not worried at all,

first of all, this game in vanilla form is excellent and with future patches it will surely be awesome.

second, as i well recall Operation Flashpoint, in vanilla form was (is) my favorite game ever but somewhat lacking in eyecandy, then came the fabulous work that all the modders did, so...why worry, as soon as BIS releases the required tools Arma will be a massive new playground for the most talented modders around

Oh yeasss....im missing "insert modteam name" Arma modfolders

if OFP was an example, there will be dozens of full mod conversions and thousands of standalone addons for Arma, chill out peeps, enjoy the game.

[USSRsniper 0]

about those recoils, every person has a different amount of recoil. For some it will be greater, for others less. Just depends on the way you handle the gun and have muscles, the way you are standing. Every person is different, and so also the recoil.

It's a simulation, not reality, so if they choose to let your aim go up 2cm higher or less it's their decision. Now if the developper shot that gun for the first time, he doesn't know how the recoil behaves, and such it would be bigger.

Recoil always stays same! And Amount of recoil does no matter for each person. Every single person will feel same force acting on him.

[max power 21]

about those recoils, every person has a different amount of recoil. For some it will be greater, for others less. Just depends on the way you handle the gun and have muscles, the way you are standing. Every person is different, and so also the recoil.

It's a simulation, not reality, so if they choose to let your aim go up 2cm higher or less it's their decision. Now if the developper shot that gun for the first time, he doesn't know how the recoil behaves, and such it would be bigger.

Recoil always stays same!

Yes, but different people cope with it differently.

[Marus 0]

Make the game realistic.

Simulate what you can, so realistic as possible.

And that means also, reduse the recoil.

M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pKehYJGCFs

AK74

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxqgOiq6Fz0

Nobody carres about the balance,life is not balanced.

[max power 21]

Make the game realistic.

Simulate what you can, so realistic as possible.

And that means also, reduse the recoil.

M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pKehYJGCFs

AK74

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxqgOiq6Fz0

Nobody carres about the balance,life is not balanced.

I disagree. I believe that BIS has a right to shape the game in any way they choose and we have a right to like it and decide whether or not to support them financially. I also do care about gameplay.

[Metal Heart 0]

Did anyone recommend to use the bug tracker? It's pointless to post single bugs, issues or feature requests here unless you care to have lenghty conversations about them.

To fix this locally, you only need to change one or two values in the weapons config if it really is a show stopping issue for you.

[Marus 0]

I disagree.  I believe that BIS has a right to shape the game in any way they choose and we have a right to like it and decide whether or not to support them financially.  I also do care about gameplay.

lool ...ok where is the "money back button" ?!

[Second 0]

Make the game realistic.

Simulate what you can, so realistic as possible.

And that means also, reduse the recoil.

M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pKehYJGCFs

AK74

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxqgOiq6Fz0

Nobody carres about the balance,life is not balanced.

Ohhh YES! Bring on the youtube, which shows us everything... Huuraaayh!

Now, if someone who has fired the weapon (AK74, M4, M107) hundreds of times would say that recoil is too low in ArmA i would believe him and not Yuuupetooobe (stands for Youtube). Then again if Youpetooooube would show that recoil issues in good scientitific light, maybe it would be even believeable. So youtube can offer good material, but it offers lots of bad material. Critisism is good thing and should be kept in mind when presenting Yuuuoopetuuuube material as "proof".

[max power 21]

I disagree. I believe that BIS has a right to shape the game in any way they choose and we have a right to like it and decide whether or not to support them financially. I also do care about gameplay.

lool ...ok where is the "money back button" ?!

Well, if you bought a hard copy, you can attempt to consign it, sell it privately, or try to convince the distributor to take it back. If you bought it digitally, you can try and sell your key... maybe... I don't know how that works because buying stuff digitally is ... or you can discuss the situation with the publisher.

In the future, you can try to play some demos and decide whether you want to buy it based on that.

[maddogx 13]

I disagree.  I believe that BIS has a right to shape the game in any way they choose and we have a right to like it and decide whether or not to support them financially.  I also do care about gameplay.

lool ...ok where is the "money back button" ?!

That's just flame baiting if you ask me.

If you have a problem with the M107's recoil, post it as a bug in the bug tracker.

[Marus 0]

...Now, if someone who has fired the weapon (AK74, M4, M107) hundreds of times would say that recoil is too low in ArmA i would believe him ...

I fired my AK74 hundert times and the recoil is to high, the accuracy is to low.

And youtube is the only way to show that ...

That's just flame baiting if you ask me.

If you have a problem with the M107's recoil, post it as a bug in the bug tracker.

I gave examples how real weapons work.

We have 2007 not 1942, weapons are balanced.

Flameing oh lol .. maybe as a result of clueless disbelieving people.

As i said at the begin ...

Well in case of BI, i would rather reduse the recoil.

There is always a option to do it right or wrong.

Redusing recoil is not much work and is the right thing.

And no real veteran soldier would criticize this step.

Only little 18 year old boys, which never fired a real bullet, think a AK74 can break your shoulder.

[max power 21]

...Now, if someone who has fired the weapon (AK74, M4, M107) hundreds of times would say that recoil is too low in ArmA i would believe him ...

I fired my AK74 hundert times and the recoil is to high, the accuracy is to low.

And youtube is the only way to show that ...

That's just flame baiting if you ask me.

If you have a problem with the M107's recoil, post it as a bug in the bug tracker.

I gave examples how real weapons work.

We have 2007 not 1942, weapons are balanced.

Flameing oh lol .. maybe as a result of clueless disbelieving people.

As i said at the begin ...

Well in case of BI, i would rather reduse the recoil.

There is always a option to do it right or wrong.

Redusing recoil is not much work and is the right thing.

And no real veteran soldier would criticize this step.

Only little 18 year old boys, which never fired a real bullet, think a AK74 can break your shoulder.

The devs already said that the AK recoil was a bug and they were reducing it.

He was calling your comment about the 'moneyback' button into question, btw. I gave you examples of how you might find the money back button. I suggest you use it if you really weren't just flamebaiting.

[Second 0]

...Now, if someone who has fired the weapon (AK74, M4, M107) hundreds of times would say that recoil is too low in ArmA i would believe him ...

I fired my AK74 hundert times and the recoil is to high, the accuracy is to low.

And youtube is the only way to show that ...

Okay i believe your part about AK74 (which many more are stating too)... But generally yuuupoetoube isn't best way. i atleast believe more about things that have been written with expertiece, not small videoscreen with bad picturequality.

Example: Videos in youupetoube representing RK62 usually doesn't show right amount of recoil: it seems in videos that there's no recoil atall. While recoil infact is big.

[bravo 6 0]

Make the game realistic.

Simulate what you can, so realistic as possible.

And that means also, reduse the recoil.

M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pKehYJGCFs

AK74

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxqgOiq6Fz0

Nobody carres about the balance,life is not balanced.

I totally AGREE!

[Heatseeker 0]

Bah, some dude fired two rounds from a barret rifle to show off on YT and now everyone thinks he would even consider doing it if he wanted to score a hit in a combat situation.

Search for more barret/50. cal shooting movies on YT and you might find the rifle being fired from prone all the time, maybe there is a reason? The M107 is fine the way it is, really.

The AK74 does have too much recoil but a dev already aknowledged it as a bug to be fixed soon...

[INNOCENT&CLUELESS 0]

I have seen an vid on youtube where a .50 is fired several times from a very tiny garden table from inside a room. It was in Iraq in battle (or at least they made a show like that) but the .50 was really stable. After each shot gravel fall from the sealing and in the hole room the dust jumped in the air, the table almost collapsed - but almost no jumping up in the air, it just pushed into the shoulders of the gunner.

[bravo 6 0]

I have seen an vid on youtube where a .50 is fired several times from a very tiny garden table from inside a room. It was in Iraq in battle (or at least they made a show like that) but the .50 was really stable. After each shot gravel fall from the sealing and in the hole room the dust jumped in the air, the table almost collapsed - but almost no jumping up in the air, it just pushed into the shoulders of the gunner.

he means this video, at 00:02:11 mins

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

The M4 video that Marus provided shows a weapon with a foregrip, which greatly reduces the effect of recoil. ArmA does not represent this, so obviously that video is meaningless.

Before Marus wants to throw something stupid at me, shooting M4s at people is my profession.

[Marus 0]

lol...

ok try this movie, mr. killer ... no foregrip on this M4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlmGdSJpiM8

Well i am about 1.85m and i weigh about 95 kg, might be the reason why i don't feel any recoil by shooting sweet tiny 5.45x39mm bullets.

[celery 8]

Imagine how those "no recoil omfg" videos would look like if the guns had behaved like in ArmA.

Yes, it's a funny mental picture.

[bravo 6 0]

Imagine how those "no recoil omfg" videos would look like if the guns had behaved like in ArmA.

maybe shoulders would be broken in peaces..

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

lol...

ok try this movie, mr. killer ... no foregrip on this M4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlmGdSJpiM8

Well i am about 1.85m and i weigh about 95 kg, might be the reason why i don't feel any recoil by shooting sweet tiny 5.45x39mm bullets.

I happen to think the M4 recoil is fine, and no Youtube video is going to change my mind.