Shoot from little bird?

[MeNeZ 0]

Just wondering if you could make it possible for the passengers on the little birds to shoot?

I know it wont be hugely accurate but a machine gunner could provide covering fire whilst landing...I often feel like a sitting duck in that thing.

[Maddmatt 1]

There have been long discussions about this before ArmA came out. There were videos showing shooting from moving vehicles in VBS1 but nothing was released.

The developers would need to implement this, it would be damn cool if they did.

[bravo 6 0]

oh yeah..

Edit: i really don't see what problem that comment caused. Theres nothing wrong or bad with it, and it was not to mean spam. I just agreed with the post and idea.

I think all about this feature was already talked in the past so a "oh yeah" (kinda of love) is my expression.

I ment: i understand exactly what Maddmatt wrote and i agree. At that time i was close to that new feature as i could. I saw the video on VBS and i loved it. Just wanted to state my apreciation on that feature because i believe it would transform ARMA in a good way and would be so damn nice.

So, will you kick me now?

[Maddmatt 1]

oh yeah..

I don't see the meaning of your post. It just looks like spam to me

What exactly are you referring to with "oh yea"?

[Sniperwolf572 758]

oh yeah..

Please do add more to your posts except a random comment and a smiley.

As for the original question:

Many features that we see today in ArmA were denied a few times in interviews, but yet we see them in the game functioning (for the most part) as they should. I believe that adding a feature such as this at this point of the games life is going to be wishful thinking.

But who knows, BIS has surprised us more than once, and who knows, maybe we'll see something like this in an expansion pack, if there will be one.

[Fred DM 0]

i would welcome that, too. but it should not be limited to the Little Bird; the guys sitting close to the door of the Black Hawk should also be able to take pot shots at targets. and what about the boats?

[stainer 0]

Well with the multi-gunner position feature present in ArmA, I see no reason why a workaround can't be made allowing all the cargo positions to shoot?

[-CS-SOBR-1st-I-R- 0]

Although this would make ArmA something like "Delta Force - Black Hawk Down", I would welcome the idea.

Noone is forced to shoot down. Although it has to be damn hard to hit a mansized object from 100m while flying with bullets with a diameter of 5 mm, it is simply left to the personal choice.

It will indeed come in handy at some operation and give a good feeling as it is done like this in real life.

So .... conclusion: GIVE IT TO US

edit: By the way.... I just remembered that BAS MH-6 had an MP5 fullauto SMG attached to the co-pilots seat.

And BAS also had this nice "faste harness" option to walk around in the CH47 for example and snipe down.

[vilas 477]

BIS also was showing super destruction of houses - bricks in walls deleted by tank , hole in wall , not whole building down

but (maliciously) there must be difference between VBS2 and ARMA

also BIS is "learning" on ARMA before they will give full professional VBS

i am angry on them (those buildings were beautifull and were my bigggggg hope to see it working) but i understand them

they have a lot of work and such supplement cost a lot of work while there are serious problems with graphic performance for example or other issues

they don't have time :/

also if you all remember in 2005 ARMA was presented as USSR/USA conlict part 2 (woodland and KLMK) and we get banana republics and ACU regular desert units with USMC vehicles

soldiers to this should be in Marpats, but lets remain silence

i wait for better house destruction (hole after shell in wall) or wounded soldier who not die because of 2 shots in hand or leg (better wounds structure)

ARMA although buggy is very very big effort of time

[Col. Faulkner 0]

What evidence is there (apart from supposition) that "BIS

is "learning" on ARMA before they will give full professional

VBS"?

Regarding "sniping" from helicopters. I recall in the film "Black

Hawk Down" Durant's heli "Super Six Four" is ordered into

position (quote) "to provide sniper cover". Did that mean he

was meant to splat any enemy snipers spotted or that

the men on board his heli are meant to "snipe" from the open

doors of his helicopter (or is it just meaningless Hollywood

pap)? I have always assumed the first option (with a large

measure of the third option mixed in).

And the ability to fire from all vehicles, not just helicopters,

would be nice. I reckon that'd be pretty much an essential

part of a portrayal of a 21st century "asymmetric" conflict

(not that ArmA is really all that great at modelling those, of

course)

[urbanwarrior 0]

GSG9 or GSGN, whatever, i cant remember the difference, they train to fire from helicopters, they are only allowed to use 9mm para though so they use steyr's chambered for 9mm. i personally would like to see it implemented in the near future but who the hell knows whats going to happen, there's that much stuff flying about these forums about what should have been added or what should be added in the future it makes your head spin

[Col. Faulkner 0]

GSG9 or GSGN, whatever, i cant remember the difference, they train to fire from helicopters [...]

Ah, that reminds me...

[OT]

When I lived in Germany, a crocodile escaped from a zoo and

pursued a reign of terror in a local park - jumping out at

people and devouring a few pet doggies. Obviously suffering

from a rush of testosterone to the brain, the police tried to

shoot it from a flying helicopter (too scared of

being ambushed by the croc on the ground probably) and

fired dozens of rounds without hitting it. They were then

called off because of fears that someone might get hit by a

stray round fired by these nutters. They eventually heeded

wiser counsel and flew in a girl crocodile from another zoo

and used her as a honey-trap to entice the crocodile into

captivity again.

[/OT]

[kavoven 4]

Regarding "sniping" from helicopters. I recall in the film "Black

Hawk Down" Durant's heli "Super Six Four" is ordered into

position (quote) "to provide sniper cover". Did that mean he

was meant to splat any enemy snipers spotted or that

the men on board his heli are meant to "snipe" from the open

doors of his helicopter (or is it just meaningless Hollywood

pap)? I have always assumed the first option (with a large

measure of the third option mixed in).

I remember that part, too but you actually never saw them shooting from the chopper, although those to Delta Snipers Shougert and Gordon were on board.

So I guess this meant that they used the MG on the chopper against enemy snipers.

[sbsmac 0]

Quote[/b] ]but you actually never saw them shooting from the chopper

Didn't that guy 'snipe' the engine of the car from a heli in the very first scene (using a Barrett I assume) ?

[-CS-SOBR-1st-I-R- 0]

Didn't that guy 'snipe' the engine of the car from a heli in the very first scene (using a Barrett I assume) ?

It was a red dot scoped M4 if I remember right - no way a barret

Usually the chopper mounted GPMG 7.62mm is used to suppress enemy (snipers) or cover the troops while they disembark. That is also the sense of having Uh60 circling around to cover. They dont cover with 69mm rockets but those GPMGs.

You guys know that it is pretty difficult to shoot at a mansized target while lying out to 300 meters. So please tell me how accurate fire can be delivered when flying at a unkown speed, with changing directions and manouvers at distances below you, maybe hiding and several hundred meters away. That would need physical and mathematical mastermind to calculate the right angle and time of the shot. But still... its good to have that feature as spraying might come in handy while landing or flying just over rooftops.

[max power 21]

Quote[/b] ]but you actually never saw them shooting from the chopper

Didn't that guy 'snipe' the engine of the car from a heli in the very first scene (using a Barrett I assume) ?

In the movie he used a supressed m4.

It possible to shoot from a moving helicopter but not very probable that you will hit anything. I reason this from what I know about helicopters and shooting. The original poster should request the feature on the wishlist on the wiki.

[Dallas 9]

It's not totally unheard of to place police- and SF snipers in helicopters. It's probably not common practice on battlefields, but it does occur.

I do believe Operation Frenchpoint placed a sniper in their Fennec and I also saw a OFP littlebird with a gunner armed with an M16/M203. What's possible in OFP, most likely is in ArmA too.

[sbsmac 0]

Quote[/b] ]In the movie he used a supressed m4.

Good plan - you'd hate to give away your location on firing. Presumably they were special 'stealth' little-birds

I have to admit I was always a bit sceptical of that scene - I haven't travelled in a heli (yet) but was always given to believe they tended to rattle and vibrate rather a lot so would make for poor firing platforms. Still, an engine is quite a large target and you probably don't have to be terribly accurate when flying close to and with low relative speed.

[-Puma- 2]

What evidence is there (apart from supposition) that "BIS

is "learning" on ARMA before they will give full professional

VBS"?

Regarding "sniping" from helicopters. I recall in the film "Black

Hawk Down" Durant's heli "Super Six Four" is ordered into

position (quote) "to provide sniper cover". Did that mean he

was meant to splat any enemy snipers spotted or that

the men on board his heli are meant to "snipe" from the open

doors of his helicopter (or is it just meaningless Hollywood

pap)? I have always assumed the first option (with a large

measure of the third option mixed in).

And the ability to fire from all vehicles, not just helicopters,

would be nice. I reckon that'd be pretty much an essential

part of a portrayal of a 21st century "asymmetric" conflict

(not that ArmA is really all that great at modelling those, of

course)

I've read the book blackhawk down, and sughart, and the other delta sniper we're ideed taking out somali's from a blackhawk, while flying.

I believe the book is pretty accurate, as the guys who actually took part of the operation, gave advice to the guy who wrote the book.

[XCess 0]

Firing from vehicles would definately be a nice feature, and I can't really see any downsides to it. Of course, it shouldn't be limited to helicopters; firing from trucks, cars, APCs and even when turned out of a tank would also be nice.

I've been shot countless times in Flashpoint while waiting for people to get in the helicopter, sitting there defensless as a squad of ruskies rush the LZ. It really does get quite annoying.... almost as annoying as reading about the firing ports on the BMP in the OFP manual, and not actually being able to use them

[-Puma- 2]

I think it wouldn't be even hard to code; just allow unit to move normally inside vehicle.

[max power 21]

Quote[/b] ]In the movie he used a supressed m4.

Good plan - you'd hate to give away your location on firing. Presumably they were special 'stealth' little-birds

I have to admit I was always a bit sceptical of that scene - I haven't travelled in a heli (yet) but was always given to believe they tended to rattle and vibrate rather a lot so would make for poor firing platforms. Still, an engine is quite a large target and you probably don't have to be terribly accurate when flying close to and with low relative speed.

He was firing out the door of a blackhawk at a range of some 20 yards. It looks like the helicopter and car were both travelling at around 40 km/h. The helicopter was flying at around 5 meters in altitude.They pulled up beside them and harassed them a bit, then shot the engine. It was a stealth mission from start to end.

Quote[/b] ]

I think it wouldn't be even hard to code; just allow unit to move normally inside vehicle.

You should code it then. Come back and tell us how you do! I'll be interested in your progress.

[-CS-SOBR-1st-I-R- 0]

Puma you should not really believe everything written in books

That book is rather typical american propaganda than anything else. Although there are many accurate books out there, Black Hawk Down isnt one of them.

@ Plaintiff

It still makes no sense to have a suppressed M4 for that occasion mate ....

[urbanwarrior 0]

GSG9 or GSGN, whatever, i cant remember the difference, they train to fire from helicopters [...]

Ah, that reminds me...

[OT]

When I lived in Germany, a crocodile escaped from a zoo and

pursued a reign of terror in a local park - jumping out at

people and devouring a few pet doggies. Obviously suffering

from a rush of testosterone to the brain, the police tried to

shoot it from a flying helicopter (too scared of

being ambushed by the croc on the ground probably) and

fired dozens of rounds without hitting it. They were then

called off because of fears that someone might get hit by a

stray round fired by these nutters. They eventually heeded

wiser counsel and flew in a girl crocodile from another zoo

and used her as a honey-trap to entice the crocodile into

captivity again.

[/OT]

The americans must have gator problems too because they seem to be interested in shooting from helo's aswell

http://www.defensedaily.com/cgi....hot.htm

[dirtylarrygb 0]

SOBR[1st-I-R] @ April 10 2007,22:44)]Puma you should not really believe everything written in books

That book is rather typical american propaganda than anything else. Although there are many accurate books out there, Black Hawk Down isnt one of them.

@ Plaintiff

It still makes no sense to have a suppressed M4 for that occasion mate ....

Delta Force Black hawk down impliment this feature.

but so did Joint operations a year later by the same people. Although shooting M4's was generally making noise. 4 Saw users on the side of a little bird could own a map. you could also fire rpg's and hunt tanks which was fun. or even fire a stinger!

Stinger and RPG were not very realistic being fired from a littlebird but a ton of fun.

Being able to shoot a m4/saw should be added asap. Although adding rpg's being able to fire would be fun for hold mode. Most armour ignores Lb's and Bh's as Ffar are hard to hit with. adding fireing abilities or even dropping stachel charges would be fun.

Delat force Joint Op's let you drop satchel charges and mines from a LB.