So many idiots, so little time

[monkeyb 0]

Never seen so many TK'ers and overall idiots in my gaming life.

Logged onto some of the larger capacity servers last night for a look and as soon as you spawn some idiot tk's you.

The floor was literally covered with the corpses of friendly fire casualties.

Sticking on the smaller servers until the idiots get bored and go back to CS.

[bravo 6 0]

looks like you have to choose well the servers where you play then..

[ade_mcc 0]

Was on one of the larger servers last night and usually pick one with a high number of players most nights and have experianced little to no TK'ing except for occationsal accidents which are in the most part immediatly appologised for. Maybe I am just lucky?

If its a real problem for you, join a clan - there are many recruiting at the moment.

[icebreakr 3157]

12th event today... and 11th under password guess why

[Dwarden 1125]

there should be global liftetime ban for wasting friendly support vehicles in coop and team missions ...

i'm sure everyone will agree that such griefers should end with EA games

[Rhodite 3]

Never seen so many TK'ers and overall idiots in my gaming life.

Logged onto some of the larger capacity servers last night for a look and as soon as you spawn some idiot tk's you.

The floor was literally covered with the corpses of friendly fire casualties.

Sticking on the smaller servers until the idiots get bored and go back to CS.

Why dont you look for the more organised groups.

In the Squads & Fan pages you should find groups of people of like mind.

Imho randomly joining a public server is pot luck in any game.

[whisper 0]

Never seen so many TK'ers and overall idiots in my gaming life.

Logged onto some of the larger capacity servers last night for a look and as soon as you spawn some idiot tk's you.

The floor was literally covered with the corpses of friendly fire casualties.

Sticking on the smaller servers until the idiots get bored and go back to CS.

When I'm for a bit on high pop servers, I try to stick to where I see an admin logged on. This kind of behavior never last long when there's an admin able to kick people.

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

I must say that friendly fire is something very delicate to be implemented. In games where there is no use of area-effect weapons (and I mean ANY, which means even no basic HE or Frag-grenades), friendly fire should mostly be turned off, because it doesn't change much in terms of tactics - normally people only shoot at what they can see, and if there is a friendly trooper or something like that in the line of fire, it's natural to wait instead of wasting ammo that doesn't hit the intend target anyway. But with regards to area-effect weapons, it's a different matter, because that implies the choice of not using them due to the danger of hitting friendlies. Personally, I think that as a base rule in servers with large amounts of people FF should be off by default, just because it's bound to get "too messy" anyway, and always having to pause to apologise, because that what every accidental TKer does, is a bit communication-congestioning (spelling?), if you know what I mean. So, best to find servers with FF off when wanting to go on a rampage... Then the experience will be delightful!

[whisper 0]

Gne? Watching your fire is too difficult?

That's a new one

[Frantic 0]

friendly fire has to be there.

in some maps of me is a function which kills the TK at spawn when he kills one friendly.

and the advise of whisper is correct, just go on servers with logged in admins, then you wont get so many probs!

[monkeyb 0]

If its a real problem for you, join a clan - there are many recruiting at the moment.

Yeah, i am at the moment, I am a member of a wwii online squad and we are trying to get one put together for Arma.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Dealing with TK is fairly simple for coop a decent Admin

For PVP particularly CTF a script running in the mission

On TK run script scene setpos naughty boy to location away from others(no ability to use keys set)

Make em watch 5 Min's of something boring or black screen with text "you are a stupid little TK boy" or some such or maybe a trial and execution by AI for war crimes

It is realy down to mission designers and their wanting to prevent TKs from ruining their missions.

If you experience it on a mission note the mission contact the mission producer and ask them impliment a cutscene anti TK script.

kind regards walker

[OrLoK 20]

Hello,

After having arma (czech version 1.00) on my machine the past few months, I was really happy with the level of community within the game, and the amount of deliberate TK'ing or general griefing was minimal. (compared to BF2 etc etc)

But like the young chappie above, now I have upped to 1.04 the amount of immature players is staggering.

I dont mean young, I do mean immature.

Lots of "you suck noob" chat and TKing, especially when people cannot get into a chopper or full vehicle.

Also constant moaning about how crap the game is during play and when you try to advise as to why one can't do such and such, I am either ignored or berated as a fan boy ( and anyone who reads me posts knows thats not the case.)

I'm sure that after some time (as with ofp), all the "less dedicated" will decide that the game isnt for them and will move onto other fps'.

But for me it's been quite a shock.

Hopefully when 1.05 hits then the balance of decent servers/players will be restored.

So for those of you still on 1.02, ok, so your grass doesnt flatten, but you've got a great community!

see you all in 1.05.

rgds

LoK

[OldGeezer 0]

Lol. I noticed that too. I had just spawned, was running for the helicopter, and some prepubescent punk moron TKed me so he could get it for himself and take off alone (I was actually gonna wait around to see if anyone else got in).

Private games are really the only option for no-nonsense adults.

[walker 0]

Hi all

As I said the solution to this is to:

Note what the mission is.

Contact the Mission Designer

Ask them to put a TK prevention script in the mission

Remind the server admin to update to the TK prevention version of the mission

Problem solved

Kind Regards walker

[OldGeezer 0]

Alternatively, they could just put in an option for the host or dedicated server owner to pop up a stats page, right-click on any player, and kick and ban him or her by IP adress. Maybe there is such an option in AA, I don't know.

It's not like servers are public (I hate public servers). If you host a game, you're letting people into your house. Wether they come in through your computer or your front door is irellevant. I find it disturbing that most game developers are removing that kind of control from the customer/game host, presumably because alot of people get unfairly banned. If I don't want someone in my house, they're not getting in. There's no fair or unfair about it, it's my house! If I want to ban someone because they TK alot, or they can't team-play, or they swear too much or insult other players, or even if I just don't like the looks of their name, I should have a right to say wether or not I let this person into my house.

Having that right removed by a game which doesn't allow for ban-by-ip is like being told I have to let anyone through my front door as my house is now public.

I hope the option is there in AA, coz it's going to influence my purchase decision (assuming I can ever afford a computer that'll run it smoothly).

[whisper 0]

You ban by ID, which is tied to your Arma DVD, so it's rather equivalent to ban by IP

[OldGeezer 0]

Awesome. That's even better than IP as some don't have static IPs.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Here is a simple anti TK script from Kronzky with example missions.

http://kronzky.info/notk/index.htm

This one is a simple eye for an eye script, you shoot somone on your own side and you get the same wound your self.

If you do a search in the scripting section of this forum both ArmA and OFP there are many others.

I recomend Terox's range of scripts for ECL you can find out more at Zeus.

Kind Regards Walker

[SeppSchrot 0]

As for the original-topic, I've build a small repertoire of TeamSpeak-Servers from friendly clans who run their own server. If I want to play a round, I do not browse for servers in game, I do travel my TS list. There I ask if they are up for a game, most of the time they are. They invite me to join (on their server) and I have fun.

I also advise using Teamspeak or something like that before joining a game because you can tell by the pitch of the voices what the game will be like

[robert(uk) 0]

Punishing for TKs is all very well, but I don't want to be too badly punished if it's an accident. I can assure you that I am not the sort of player who TKs on purpose. It really annoys me in games like Hidden & Dangerous 2, where if you TK someone, you get -10 points, and if you kill 3 people, you get auto-kicked. I spend ages building up my score, then suddenly some dork runs infront of me and I accidentally kill him, therefore it's an accidental TK, so in effect, if I say sorry, I shouldn't be punished for it...

[TabloMaxos 0]

....and I accidentally kill him, therefore it's an accidental TK, so in effect, if I say sorry, I shouldn't be punished for it...

I think in Enemy Territory when you TK some one and say sorry the TKed can "forgive" you.

Hint:Idea for scripters or BIS.

Edit:Code tag error

[OrLoK 20]

tk'ing will always happen.

but i agree, there are times when some one will run into your line of fire.

Or even if you target someone whom you think is an enemy and shoot before asking questions (pilots are very suceptable to this due to uniform).

Blue on blue situations will happen and for the most part "mature" players will say NP it happens.

but as I found its not just the TKing, its the general attitude of folk on 1.04 at the moment.

whilst from 1.00 to 1.02 i occasionally bumped into an immature player, but usually you could coax them into playing the game how it should be played.

Tonight for eg I had a guy continuosly asking how to change his name and why he was a F***ing seagull. I explained both things and was rewared by "what a retard game this suxx" disconnect.

Its such a shame that folk dont give this game a chance, perhaps its been marketed wrong? i dont know, ive not followed mag ads etc.

But until arma came out ofp and vbs occupied an obscene amount of my hdd space.

Only this game (ofp,vbs,arma) and sturmovik had this much regular appearences on my hdd.

I know im just bitching, but i cant wait for 1.05 when i can get back on decent UK servers like AAB or suicide squad for eg.

Sad thing is , it sems to say alot for us Euro gamers compared to the eastern block and german players out there. (also I've had my best game with french hosts on 1.04 who even though i cannot speak a word of the language have offered to speak english and have accepted me without question. Salut to you all.)

drunken rant over...

rgds

LoK

[xnodunitx 0]

....and I accidentally kill him, therefore it's an accidental TK, so in effect, if I say sorry, I shouldn't be punished for it...

I think in Enemy Territory when you TK some one and say sorry the TKed can "forgive" you.

Hint:Idea for scripters or BIS.

Edit:Code tag error

And you honestly think the majority will use this? I can tell you right now by playing games with this little "feature" that it does you no good 90% of the time, accident or no, your getting punished because you killed them and they don't care why it was or how it was, only that you did so and should be punished.

[OldGeezer 0]

I'm not talking about guys who TK on occasion. I'm talking about those who just can't be bothered to make sure they're shooting at the enemy and TK over and over again.

If I start seeing that the same guy has TK on five or more occasions in one round...buh bye! I don't care if it's accidental or not. I cant count how many times in any deathmatch I get killed because I hesitated, because I wasn't 100% sure it was an enemy, when if fact it was and he shoots first.

I've TKed on occasion, it happens...I've also been shot whilst typing "damn! Sorry!" Some can't even be bothered to acknowlege that they screwed up or that they're noobs. A complete lack of manners is also enough to get you kicked out of my house, and it'll get you kicked out of my computer just as quickly.

I can understand suggesting people be tolerant, and I am tolerant up to a degree. But the point is, it's nobody's business but your own how tolerant you are with guests in your own home. If I get kicked from someone's server for one TK, then yeah, he's a jerk, but it's his business coz it's his computer, and ultimately, his home I'm in. He can tell me to leave for whatever valid or stupid reason he wants.

I'm very glad the option is there in AA, and I expect to make regular use of it someday