A New Enemy

[R3MF 0]

Can we not set the game during the Cold War again? Or do we have to have it set during the present?

The "modern" environment is such a dismal setting for an FPS storyline, other than Tom Clancy-type shooters.

One of the things that I liked the best were the iron sights on weapons.

but so many good toys to play with!

Challenger2, Leclerc, Leopard 2A6, etc

[MAA3057 0]

Don't know about you guys, but I always liked the US vs Russia/USSR concept.

[mickuzy 0]

why not fractions. fraction a takes on fraction b. the americans or some coaltion come in.

[Bulbous 0]

Don't know about you guys, but I always liked the US vs Russia/USSR concept.

But that's just crazy! It has to be new and different just for the sake of being new and different!

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

i wouldnt say they are the best in the world, just becuase they go to all these wars they dont have the best tech.. for example Germany have the best tank, britian has the best of the best [sAS] and maybe a few others too..

France, UK, US and Germany's modern day tanks have always been considered an equal tie. The US has, for the longest time, spent the most money on its military and its technologies. "The United States military budget is larger than the military budgets of the next twenty largest spenders combined, and six times larger than China's, which places second". Right now the US is in the middle of a huge change, especially in technology. Since our technology was some of the worlds best, think of what a big change will bring. Also, the US technology is the most used around the world as many other militarys have adopted our stuff. M1311, F-16, Humvees and M-4s to name a few.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States

masses of high tech equipment dosnt ensure a good army.  British soldiers are renowned for the high level of training and pysical fitness.  I have many friends in the British army, some serving in iraq and afganistan.  from speaking to them this is there interpretation of the difference between US and British troops.  They see the US troops as always having fun, even when in serious situations.  I am inclined to agree , type US troops in Iraq , into youtube and see the vids for yourself.  They cheer and make jokes when houses are destroyed, and appear to be 'having a laugh' while getting the job done (not critising the work they do, becuase they still do it).  The british troops however are very serious in the field,  and from what i hear there is little in the way of banter towards iraqi's or having fun while theres a job to do.

Having said that its the flip when talking to the them about air support.  From what i hear in afganistan the RAF are a shambles and UK troops prefer to call in A-10's to Tornados.  Aparently the a-10's arrive faster, do a better job, and dont piss of back to base straight away like the RAF.

This is just the impression i get from talking to friends, im not trying to be a military expert or anything, its just my interpretation of what ive heard.

[meyamoti 0]

Indeed the trained "children' of the US military have a sick sense of humor these days. Not all soldiers point and laugh just be an ***hole,however most of the ones we see atleast on the internet are. Such as that one movie where a guy was taking wood,wood now..and a person directing an M1A2 Abrams crew decided to crush that car,so that car being the guys taxi cab..pretty much took away his job. Now a person loots for wood to keep warm and we run his car over with a tank,people kill and loot eachothers houses here in the US and what do we do? Give them money,have pity on them. I say that if some of the victims of hurricans want sympathy,they should have been helping eachother rather than killing and looting eachother,those bastards got what they deserved. The US national guard and Coast Guard should have been allowed to open fire on those that fired upon them. The truth is,when it comes to most americans these days,they find things as a joke,thinking that ruining somebody elses life is funny. Anyway..my ill minded american rant being done.

Back to the topic,in terms of this new side,the US vs USSR is rather nice..if they want to do something like say..US vs UK or UK vs Germany that would be nice,a new kind of conflict,it doesn't quite have to be really fictional..or is it nonfiction..anyway. As long as they don't go with the whole US vs insurgents in the Middle East. Thats nothing more than a short mind spanded idea for a plot on what has to do with current events. Me being american and all would not mind seeing a different military other than the US. If I saw the UK vs Germany or something of such it would show a different idea. I mean..lets look at most games. What military is always in it? The US,in almost ever game. If were going to have a new enemy why not have a new military? Or play from a different military viewpoint.

[Connors 0]

I don't mean to nit pick but the best Special Forces in the world at the moment (or some of them) are the SBS (Special Boat Service) but there sn't much info about them unlike the SAS (who are still very good)

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

I don't mean to nit pick but the best Special Forces in the world at the moment (or some of them) are the SBS (Special Boat Service) but there sn't much info about them unlike the SAS (who are still very good)

well it depends on the situation. i would say there no better SF for hostage situations than the SAS simply becuase of there expericance with it.

Sorry to keep hyping the british army but there also trained very well to deal with gorilla warfare what with hundreds of years of experiance with Boer war, and modern with Northern Ireland. In contrast vietnam was US's first real experiance and it dosnt seem to have adapted its tactics enough.

[MAA3057 0]

masses of high tech equipment dosnt ensure a good army.

Good point. A good example was the Battle of the Buldge when the US was out-numbered (3-1), out-teched and surprise on Nazi Germany's last attempt. Remember that thousands of Germans were civilians though. Also the Zulu's against the Englishmen (Englishmen were well-out-numbered though)

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

masses of high tech equipment dosnt ensure a good army.

Good point. A good example was the Battle of the Buldge when the US was out-numbered (3-1), out-teched and surprise on Nazi Germany's last attempt. Remember that thousands of Germans were civilians though. Also the Zulu's against the Englishmen (Englishmen were well-out-numbered though)

british vs. Boers? british proffesional army caught off guard and defeated on several ocasion by a group of farmers

[Sepe 1]

Lots of resources and technology never guarantees you a victory, especially when invading.

Another good example is the Winter War, when Soviets attacked Finland in 1939. They had something like 20 times more men, tanks and airplanes. If I remember correctly Finland had 20 tanks at the beginning of the war, of which one functioned. The Soviets had thousands of 'em. And still, they were defeated, mostly with guerrilla tactics.

[meyamoti 0]

The ones that know the landscape and the elements in the area can use them to their advantage,if you can do that you can give the enemy a good fight if not defeat them. It seems to be a lesson stated many times in war's,invasions and battles.

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

The ones that know the landscape and the elements in the area can use them to their advantage,if you can do that you can give the enemy a good fight if not defeat them. It seems to be a lesson stated many times in war's,invasions and battles.

and being learnt again in iraq and afganistan

still, i hope we see a made up enemy again like north sahrini, i think a real enemy throws up too much contraversy, if you make up an enemy you can be more creative and make em into real scumbags.

[deanosbeano 0]

pesonally , in the beggining i think there should be no enemy only different places /islands etc . the actual way you play or act in the game should create the tensions and friendships and enemies. if this is gonna be next gen then the fact you open a game and bam you got a fictional war already is to old gen for myself.

for instance you one day shoot a man who stole your car. this man

came from a far island, his family know you shot him they gather a small group they sneak into your town try to kill you , if they do or if they dont wont matter cause ,they mayor of your town aint happy and he gonna make sure this dont happen again( shit example i know). but something like this on a grander scale ,i would love it

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

I wonder how nobody came up with the "South America vs North America" scenario suggestion. I mean, with anti-americanism becoming a fashion in south american states, and the marked discomfort of Mexico towards the U.S. initiative about building "the wall" at the american-mexican border, it would be a cool scenario... like, all south american armed forces get together, with access to high-degree of technology (due to drug money funding), and invade the U.S., which is stripped of most of its armed forces due to them being deployed all around the world - Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea... So all the americans would have, before the normal armed forces would be recalled, would be whatever the National Guard reserve forces may have somewhere in stores...

Just imagine... CQB in the streets of New York!

[mickuzy 0]

may be we should look at a three prongede thing. there was the option in opf, but the campaign the res and US were allies, lets try country A take on Country B with rebel group C in the middle fighting for something or other. i dont care who they are but it would be a great step outside of the 1 vs 1 spectrum.

[somebloke 0]

I think it should be Brits Vs Aussies, in a CTP (capture the pub) game type.

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

I think it should be Brits Vs Aussies, in a CTP (capture the pub) game type.

, you know who would win!, throw in a couple of bbq caused firefights then we have a proper war

[Bulbous 0]

lets try country A take on Country B with rebel group C in the middle fighting for something or other. i dont care who they are but it would be a great step outside of the 1 vs 1 spectrum.

I think it should be Brits Vs Aussies, in a CTP (capture the pub) game type.

Hmmm... to unify these two ideas, if A is for Aussies, and B is for Brits, then C would have to be for Canadians, who could be deployed by whichever side had better snacks!

Operation Flushpoint: It's 2015 and the Commonwealth has splintered into factions squabbling over who has the best beer!

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

haha, do drag things back on topic, i get the feeling ArmA, and OFP before it, had mostly european fan basis, perhaps we should see that reflected in the forces used? a yugoslavian situation would be cool, lots of different groups fighting between each other.

[CameronMcDonald 146]

Operation Flushpoint: It's 2015 and the Commonwealth has splintered into factions squabbling over who has the best beer!

Bah, we'd win hands down. Youse might have been around longer, but jeez, only Guiness comes even close to anywhere near Aussie beer. And that ain't even English. And don't get me started on how crap American beer is, though I acquiesce that they're not part of the C'Wealth.

Back on topic:

I wouldn't mind seeing something like Ukraine or another ex-Soviet satellite going up against the Russians, but that sounds like a Dale Brown or Tom Clancy novel the more I talk about it. Or even just the ole Resistance campaign - think I'll be quiet now.

Besides, isn't it already decided that the US will be (once again) up front in Game2?

My first quote!

[Sennacherib 0]

personally i don't want the USA and Russia. i'm sick to always play with the same dudes and the same vehicles.

Australia vs indonesia would be cool. but a idea a little bit scifi would have my preference. with their great engine, they could make something different.

[mattxr 9]

A European vs a Super Power Game would get so much money from every1 in Europe wanting to buy it to see there country's units and to fight for there motherland!!

[LeChuckle 0]

Russia vs. China?

[MAA3057 0]

Russia vs. China?

Half of China's equipment is nearly the same as the Russians. That would be entirely unamusing. This topic is semi-useless in my opinion. Their have been some good 'rough drafting' and ideas but most of it is complete bias. I'm from Australia, I want the Australian Army. I'm from Barbados, I want the Barbadian Army in it. I'm from The Republic of Congo, I want the Congo Army in it...Where are we going exactly?