Fabulous flying & firing machines in ArmA?

[ricnunes 0]

This is my first post at this forum and I'll start by asking like the title says, if there will be a Mi-24 in Armed Assault like it was in the previous OFP?

The reason why I'm asking this is because in all Armed Assault screenshots and trailers that I saw until now I never saw a Hind (I only saw a Mi-8/17 Hip, for the "Opfor" that is).

I would like to take this chance to ask an addicional question:

- Will the Helicopters in Armed Assault have some working avionics (I'm not including the more "conventional" intruments such as the altimeter which are already modeled in OFP)?

I'm asking this because I saw a trailer where it shown the cockpit of an AH-1Z (I very happy that this helo was added since it's by far my favourite attack Helo) but the MFDs were "turned off" (there was nothing shown on the MFDs) so I want to ask if this will be changed and will the MFDs actually work or show any information at all in the final version?

Thanks in advance for any replies...

[Guest Ti0n3r]

A wild guees; The DRSAF will use Mi24's (I really love that acronym).

[AntipopAU 3]

I've seen a ArmA movie with a Hind, so I'm presuming yes...

[stegman 3]

There is an Mi17, I havnt seen the Mi24, but others have.

Check this out. Towards the end you will see all (or most) of the vehicles included.

Link to ofp.info here

[Guest Ti0n3r]

The only footage of a Hind in ArmA is the alpha vid that a russian magazine released a while ago.

Quote[/b] ]Check this out. Towards the end you will see all (or most) of the vehicles included.

We've been told that there will around ~50+ vehicles in ArmA

[Heatseeker 0]

It was seen in the not so good, old trailer.

The model looked very nice just like the others, but there were soldiers parachuting out of it at 150M altitude still .

[stegman 3]

@Ti0n3r

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The only footage of a Hind in ArmA is the alpha vid that a russian magazine released a while ago.

....We've been told that there will around ~50+ vehicles in ArmA

Thats a hell of a lot of vehicles! I asume thats diferent versions of the same vehicle (eg, UH60 + MG and UH60 + FFAR = 2 vehicles) rather than 50 totally different vehicle clases...

Also;

@Heatseeker

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It was seen in the not so good, old trailer.

The model looked very nice just like the others, but there were soldiers parachuting out of it at 150M altitude still.

I would have thought theres a Hind in it. It's the best atack chopper the old soviet union had. And if the OpFor in ArmA are Russian theyd probably have one, or if they arn't russian then they could definetly buy an old 'surplus' one from somewere, don't you think?

Off topic: What is the optimal jump height?

[Heatseeker 0]

Off topic: What is the optimal jump height?

From a helicopter?

I'd guess something like 1/1.5 meters.

Someone will problably go find a picture of civilian sky divers jumping out of a huge helicopter now, has usual .

[ricnunes 0]

I've seen a ArmA movie with a Hind, so I'm presuming yes...  

That's a vey good news inded.

By the way, where did you see that movie?

Could you point out a link?

Thanks in advance...

[ricnunes 0]

It was seen in the not so good, old trailer.

The model looked very nice just like the others, but there were soldiers parachuting out of it at 150M altitude still .

Well that would be my third question/request, I hope that they will NOT include the helo pilot parachuting from helicopters feature like happened in OPF because it's totally unrealistic (except if the helo is a Ka-50 Hokum) .

[CsonkaPityu 0]

Bah! even the hungarian military has hinds and we have a military thats in absolutely horrible shape.

http://stargate.eik.bme.hu/foto/ptsg1/03sg.jpg

So i would assume that the north of sahrani that's preparing for an invasion has them too.

[bravo 6 0]

Quote[/b] ]Will there be a Hind in Armed Assault?

why not?

[ricnunes 0]

I would have thought theres a Hind in it.  It's the best atack chopper the old soviet union had.  And if the OpFor in ArmA are Russian theyd probably have one, or if they arn't russian then they could definetly buy an old 'surplus' one from somewere, don't you think?

Yes, I definitly agree that there should be a Hind in Armed Assault since many countries around the world have this helo in their "inventory".

In Armed Assault there could be (in my oppinion, that is) something like a DRSA (Democratic Republic of Sahrani Army) Elite Guard which would or could be equiped with some Mi-24 Hinds and T-72 Tanks while the regular army units could be equiped with Mi-17 hips and T-55 and T-62 Tanks. What do you think of this?

[metallicAL 0]

OFP vehicles always had counter parts. Since you KNOW for sure there is an AH-64 (cobra gunship) then there will be a mi-24.

Even if there isnt, why are you concerned in the slightest? The community super hero addon makers will save the day.

[stegman 3]

@CsonkaPityu

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Bah! even the hungarian military has hinds and we have a military thats in absolutely horrible shape.

http://stargate.eik.bme.hu/foto/ptsg1/03sg.jpg

So i would assume that the north of sahrani that's preparing for an invasion has them too.

Your military might be in bad shape...but at least your choppers look pretty when painted as some kind of large bird.

@ricnunes

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Elite Guard which would or could be equiped with some Mi-24 Hinds and T-72 Tanks while the regular army units could be equiped with Mi-17 hips and T-55 and T-62 Tanks. What do you think of this?

Sounds good to me.

If the OpFor are Russian, what is the Russian MBT at this point in time?  is it the T80?

@metallicAL

Quote[/b] ]OFP vehicles always had counter parts. Since you KNOW for sure there is an AH-64 (cobra gunship) then there will be a mi-24.

Even if there isnt, why are you concerned in the slightest? The community super hero addon makers will save the day.  

AH-64 is an 'Apache', a 'Cobra' is an AH-1.

(sorry to pick you up on this )

But yes your right, there will, or should be, a rival counterpart

[zyklone 1]

Off topic: What is the optimal jump height?

From a helicopter?

I'd guess something like 1/1.5 meters.

Someone will problably go find a picture of civilian sky divers jumping out of a huge helicopter now, has usual .

This differs from army to army.

The brittish don't parachute from helis at all afaik. The ukrainians make their first real jump in training from a helicopter.

The pilot can parachute from the Mi-24 and i know it has happened in Chechnya.

[stegman 3]

Off topic: What is the optimal jump height?

From a helicopter?

I'd guess something like 1/1.5 meters.

Someone will problably go find a picture of civilian sky divers jumping out of a huge helicopter now, has usual .

This differs from army to army.

The brittish don't parachute from helis at all afaik. The ukrainians make their first real jump in training from a helicopter.

The pilot can parachute from the Mi-24 and i know it has happened in Chechnya.

Do we brits not jump from Helis then?

Also how the hell does the pilot eject from a heli with out getting cut to ribbons by the blades?

Does the whole cockpit get 'ejected' away from the rest of the vehicle (like in James Bond:Golden Eye(he ejects from a tiger))?

Or does the the pilot leave the cockpit and run in the back and the jump out of the door?  

[ricnunes 0]

OFP vehicles always had counter parts. Since you KNOW for sure there is an AH-64 (cobra gunship) then there will be a mi-24.

Even if there isnt, why are you concerned in the slightest? The community super hero addon makers will save the day.

I don't know if there will be an AH-64 Apache but I do know that there will be an AH-1Z (which aren't that diferent in terms of role - both are advanced gunship helicopters)

And why I'm concerned about the Hind? Well even if like you I believe that someone would model one (in case BIS doesn't model the Hind) I would like to fight against a Hind in the Armed Assault stock campaign, that's why I would like to see the Hind modeled in Armed Assault and concerned if not.

One thing I remember very well when playing OFP was the fear that I felt when I saw one of those mightly killing machines (the Mi-24 Hind) aproaching and it didn't matter where I was (fighting as a foot soldier or inside a tank or flying an Helicopter) the fear was still the same which was very high (specially when fighting inside a tank, since in this case there was nowhere to hide and nowhere to run).

[ricnunes 0]

Also how the hell does the pilot eject from a heli with out getting cut to ribbons by the blades?

Does the whole cockpit get 'ejected' away from the rest of the vehicle (like in James Bond:Golden Eye(he ejects from a tiger))?

Or does the the pilot leave the cockpit and run in the back and the jump out of the door?  

Nope, in the case of the Ka-50 when an ejection sequence is started, first the rotor blades are "blown" away from the main rotor by small "in-built" explosive charges then the ejection happens normally (thru ejection seats) like happens in a combat jet.

[ricnunes 0]

The pilot can parachute from the Mi-24 and i know it has happened in Chechnya.

Weard, never heard of that! Even because the Mi-24 doesn't have any ejection system and since combat helicopters usually fly at very low altitudes simply there is no point for the pilots (and/or crew) to carry parachutes.

[meyamoti 0]

OFP vehicles always had counter parts. Since you KNOW for sure there is an AH-64 (cobra gunship) then there will be a mi-24.

Even if there isnt, why are you concerned in the slightest? The community super hero addon makers will save the day.

I don't know if there will be an AH-64 Apache but I do know that there will be an AH-1Z (which aren't that diferent in terms of role - both are advanced gunship helicopters)

And why I'm concerned about the Hind? Well even if like you I believe that someone would model one (in case BIS doesn't model the Hind) I would like to fight against a Hind in the Armed Assault stock campaign, that's why I would like to see the Hind modeled in Armed Assault and concerned if not.

One thing I remember very well when playing OFP was the fear that I felt when I saw one of those mightly killing machines (the Mi-24 Hind) aproaching and it didn't matter where I was (fighting as a foot soldier or inside a tank or flying an Helicopter) the fear was still the same which was very high (specially when fighting inside a tank, since in this case there was nowhere to hide and nowhere to run).

Indeed,seems everyone loves the hind,a deadly and mean lookin helicopter,I remember the first time I heard "Gunship..its a hind!" on the radio,I panicked and ran for the forest,heck with the UH-60 that was doomed.

Hmm...the blades are blown off eh...well I figure that wouldnt work too well in modern day attack helicopters..considering many have radars and sensors of all sorts mounted ontop,I bet that **** aint cheap.

I just hope the Mi-24 model is a bit better,similar to maybe Scars (speaking of which is that ever going to get out or are you guys just going to torment us with pics,say you need scripters,get scripters,and not say anything about it.) ,yaknow,more round and less boxy. Cause lets face it..in OFP up close the Mi-24 did look kinda like a complicated flyin box...but with infantry models are spectacular as they are,I doubt the Mi-24 would look the same.

[dreday 1]

The pilot can parachute from the Mi-24 and i know it has happened in Chechnya.

Weard, never heard of that! Even because the Mi-24 doesn't have any ejection system and since combat helicopters usually fly at very low altitudes simply there is no point for the pilots (and/or crew) to carry parachutes.

Russian helicopter pilots do indeed carry parachutes with them. AFAIK, this applies to all helicopters, not just MI-24. Whether they will choose to use them or not, would depend on circumstances, but it's nice to have that extra piece of safety. There are quite a few documented cases of pilots surviving thanks to parachutes in Afghanistan and Chechnya.

I have also read that Russian pilots traditionally refuse to take parachutes with them when performing the air-assault landings, or lifting of the wounded. This is done in order to show the troops that the pilots would not abandon them and try to save them to the end, even if they are hit by ground fire.

Peace,

DreDay

[ricnunes 0]

Well anyway, "Western" (or US) helo pilots don't carry parachutes and the movie that I saw it was from a US helo pilot parachuting from an AH-1Z. It would be good (IMO) and realistic if parachuting woudn't be possible for western helo pilots.

Maybe it would be a good idea to have an Option setting like this:

- US Helo pilots have parachutes (yes/no)

[martinovic 0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejector_seat

Read part about "Ejection seats in other aircraft"

O.o

[Scrub 0]

Oh, they HAVE to have a Hind in ArmA (I know, they do), what else will scare the sh*t out of you from the air? That and the the T-72 & 80, are synonomous with BIS's franchise. It'd be like the US without the Abrams.