Ironsight 1 Posted March 11, 2006 Quote[/b] ]AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has died, the UN tribunal said on Saturday."Milosevic was found lifeless on his bed in his cell at the United Nations detention unit," the tribunal said in a statement. "The guard immediately alerted the detention unit officer in command and the medical officer. The latter confirmed that Slobodan Milosevic was dead." The tribunal said the Dutch police and a Dutch coroner were called in and started an inquiry. A full autopsy and toxicological examination have been ordered. Milosevic's family has been informed, it added. Milosevic, 64, suffered a heart condition and high blood pressure which had repeatedly interrupted his trial in the Hague on charges of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes during the bloody disintegration of Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Reuters.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PainDealer 0 Posted March 11, 2006 well he won't get the proper punishment now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Postduifje 0 Posted March 11, 2006 The dutch minister of foreign affairs Bot mentioned he was told Milosevic died a natural death. This is quite an anti-climax to this episode... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JdB 151 Posted March 11, 2006 Good riddance. Exactly, now the Dutch goverment won't have to spend a single penny anymore to keep that scum in jail. And there is a free cell for either Mr Karadzic or Mr Mladic now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Tea 0 Posted March 11, 2006 He took the fastest way out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Espectro (DayZ) 0 Posted March 11, 2006 Good riddance. Exactly, now the Dutch goverment won't have to spend a single penny anymore to keep that scum in jail. And there is a free cell for either Mr Karadzic or Mr Mladic now lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ares1978 0 Posted March 11, 2006 To quote one of my favorite movies: Groovy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Postduifje 0 Posted March 11, 2006 I can imagine victims of his regime to hold a bitter taste of him dying before facing any judgement (besides death itself). Although I would guess dying is nothing great (which is pure speculation as I am not quite dead myself), it somehow feels like he escaped his punishment and victims got stolen of there revenge and any form of closure at all possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted March 11, 2006 Although I'm not the one to celebrate the death of another human being, they really can't say that this news broke my heart. I can imagine though that quite a few people in the Hague are very relieved, given how badly the trial was managed and how incompetent the prosecutors seemed to be. It would have been immensely embarrassing had he been aquitted - and given how badly the trial was going, it was not entirely impossible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HotShot 0 Posted March 11, 2006 Apperently he wanted to go to Russia for treatment last month, and now Miolosevic's brother is blaming the ICT for his death as they didn't let him, but why would you let a prisoner travel to another country to get treatment? Of course he would be escorted by big blokes with guns but that doesnt matter as its still paying for all the cost of sending them when they got doctors and what not at the prison. Reckon they tried to resusitate him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JdB 151 Posted March 11, 2006 Reckon they tried to resusitate him? As Dutch newssources said, he was found lying lifeless on his bed, a supervisor was brought in, he brought in a doctor, and he officially declared him dead. Resusitating someone who has already been dead for over 15 minutes doesn't make much sense... Of course the family is now blaming just about everybody except for Russia, and hailing them/him as the champion of the free world Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireflyPL 0 Posted March 11, 2006 The question is, would there be an investigation about the cause of his death. This can be very embarrasing for Tribunal, as Slobo stated that he is very ill and yet didnt recive proper medical service. We ll see. The only good thing in this death is, that prosecution doesnt have to proof his guilt as they already compromiseed themselves durring the trial. If Slobo hadn't died they would have to let him go just like other war criminals (esp. Bosnian muslims warlords), And thus, no Milosevic, no problem for Tribunal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted March 11, 2006 I think they should continue the trial even though he is dead.. After all people are innocent until proven guilty(?) so if they drop it here can we really consider him as guilty? The trial wasn't just to make sure that he got punished but also for the victims to get justice and recognition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dallas 9 Posted March 11, 2006 All I can say, he's better off dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radnik 18 Posted March 12, 2006 ... on this day 12.03.2003 Serbian prime minister Zoran Djindjic was shot dead by Slobodan Milosevic regime supporters, so i guess it has something with the almighty's law of the life on earth and heaven ... what can i say ... one chapter of life of us/those involved is finished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 12, 2006 I read that the costs of putting Milosevic on trial cost 200 million dollars. There's gotta be a better way. Oh, and good riddance! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berghoff 11 Posted March 12, 2006 Uhhh 200 million for what? Where does it go to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HotShot 0 Posted March 12, 2006 I guess lawyers, air tickets for bringing witnesses over, cost of sending researchers over to investigate. On another note... Quote[/b] ]Slobodan Milosevic feared he was being poisoned just a day before he died in his cell at the war crimes tribunal in The Hague, his lawyer has said.Zdenko Tomanovic told reporters Mr Milosevic had complained of "strong drugs in his system only used for treating leprosy or tuberculosis". Source Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radnik 18 Posted March 12, 2006 ... now when i see all these documentary and movies about him and his path since 1989 till 2006 i remember all the moments and events that took place in those years and i was a part of it ... maybe not in all, but afected by some and i realise it was, from this point of time, for me, very unrealistic time ... i just hope that history, time, and the right people will do it's work and finaly close this magic circle over Balkans and end it once it for all, and to start a normal life after 16 years of war and all not too good things ... ... about his guilt in Balkans wars, hmm ... well, what i as a memeber of same nation that he led into doom in event after event, and same nation that has been charged for genocide and all other bad things, what i can say ... nothing i guess, it`s hard to explain, he is guilty for sure for war in former Yugoslavia and Kosovo, firstly with bad bad bad politics and then leting him to be as a saint in his country people eyes, but his nation as to be seen as savages and all but not normal people... ... i just know that my 10 years of life and all of my age people passed in strange battle for normal life ... and still fighting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Average Joe 0 Posted March 12, 2006 He went too peacefully, didnt deserve it that easily Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shinRaiden 0 Posted March 13, 2006 The UN Prosecuter is reported to be enraged that she didn't get to see justice carried out on Milosivic. At any rate, there will never be a definative answer to precisely what happened for the cause of death, and it will be endless bantered back and forth as opposed to a clear and observed execution. Where I disagree with the prosecuter's premise is the notion of 'judicial punishment'. Incarceration or even execution is merely a legal segregation. So what if Milosevic would have been convicted, he still would have 'won' in the same sense that Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson won, ie winning the media circus. The US populace could care less about him, so for those that do care, he Saddam'd the court and disgraced the process. Therein lies the difficulty with society's criminal justice system. It is impossible for legislatures or magistrates to punish or reform, they can only segregate or torture - the neutral notion of legally imposing a physical condition upon a de-emancipated person. There exists no method - despite the vain hopes of legions of political officers and minders - to implement the truely compensatory or reformatory behaviors and conditions on the individual. So what's going to solve the problem? Imho, forgetting Milosevic. Not his actions, but him the person. I've got a friend of Scottish and Irish ancestory. Mine is mixed Scandinavian and English. Our ancestors likely slaughtered each other regularly on market day. Well we don't care, and we chose to be friends. My grandfathers fought in ww2 and built equipment to refine the precision of war. I have been treated with nothing but the highest of respect and hospitality by my German and Japanese friends. If our grandfathers have problems, let them sort it out by themselves. Their problems are not mine. I for one can't do anything about the dead, and I don't know anybody else that can either. The question then is Milosevic dead, or is he still propped up on a throne in Belgrade as the Mahdi or whatever. As long as King Slobodan still reigns, the situation is still unchanged. The same goes for all the other players on both sides. You can choose to sit on your thumbs in Sebrinica, or you can rebuild for the grandchildren. Am I trying to excuse him? Absolutely not. May he rot as he deserves. But will locking up an entire country or two or three solve anything? Segregate yes, but not solve. And trying to hang the responsibility on a few key leaders immunizing the rest of the populace from the opportunity to rebuild peace will do nothing to ensure future peace either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donnervogel 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Although I'm not the one to celebrate the death of another human being, they really can't say that this news broke my heart.I can imagine though that quite a few people in the Hague are very relieved, given how badly the trial was managed and how incompetent the prosecutors seemed to be. It would have been immensely embarrassing had he been aquitted - and given how badly the trial was going, it was not entirely impossible. hmm last thing I've heard was that the prosecution was going well and they were close to sentence him. Dunno where you get your information but media here, in germany, and also the mainstream english media didn't seem to be so pessimistic. It was a long process but that was because of the huge number of evidence that had to be presented and because milosevic used the court as kind of political stage and disrupted the process from time and also because of milosevic's health problems (why do all dictators/leaders that have to face trial allways become so sick anyway ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JdB 151 Posted March 13, 2006 Quote[/b] ]and it will be endless bantered back and forth as opposed to a clear and observed execution. The UN warcrimes tribuneral doesn't have the ability to sentence someone to death. All they can do is to send them to jail for an X number of years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
