Have Blue

[nephilim 0]

some progress

http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/8718/f117259ej.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/959/f117279nu.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9582/f117303jo.jpg

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/8272/f117318ke.jpg

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/4598/maingear0ql.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3520/somethingwicked5mh.jpg

[ExtracTioN 0]

some progress

http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/8718/f117259ej.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/959/f117279nu.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9582/f117303jo.jpg

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/8272/f117318ke.jpg

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/4598/maingear0ql.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3520/somethingwicked5mh.jpg

Looks sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[eestikas88 0]

it's just beautiful

lady on the bomb bay door is even more

[HotShot 0]

The textures look great, and the structural damage system sounds good. About the non-static reflections: does this mean we can have e.g. mirrors in houses and on cars, and say a snipers scope gleaming in the sunlight (which could then be spotted by others)?

[Wonder 0]

Some ideas for features I'd like to see it incorporate:

-Automatically animated canopy based on engine status

-RWR display (Å• la DKM Mi-28) and audio warning

-Bitching betty:

Altitude (only when gear up)

Stall

Bingo fuel

-HUD

Speed

Altitude

Heading

Pitch ladders correctly aligned with the sky

-Multi-function displays

Moving map display

Stores (oh well, only two weapons :P)

System status

-Zoomable optics view with FLIR MFD textures.

-Tight ground steering radius

-Animated nosewheel steering

-ACES compatibility

Good luck with the project

[cell7 0]

I can't believe my eyes , the pics look amazing, and the girly shots wooooooowhoooooo.

Will you be reducing the amount of faces? It looks high.

[-RuN- 0]

I just couln`t find anything on google, but about a month ago, I saw on an aviation magazine the testing of a F117 oriented on the bombing in the daylight; so it wasn`t a Nighthawk serie and had a Blue/Grey pattern.

Had anyone else seen this plane, and above all, Jen would you

be interested in making that version?

[Thunnder Bunny 0]

Thats looks beautiful..... and that wicked nun pic is just begging to be made into a tattoo

[snoops_213 75]

I just couln`t find anything on google, but about a month ago, I saw on an aviation magazine the testing of a F117 oriented on the bombing in the daylight; so it wasn`t a Nighthawk serie and had a Blue/Grey pattern.

Had anyone else seen this plane, and above all, Jen would you

be interested in making that version?

Rumor has it that they are thinking of going to USAF Grey/Blue scheme soon. Maybe it was a test plane?

that said,  pastel grey, blue and white is the one that they origanly used on Have Blue( prototypes) as seen in previous pics in this thread, it proved to reduce visibility at night better than black does. But as everyone knows real men don't fly pastel color planes   Offical Reason. To make it look more intimidating (ie like Darth Vader's hemlet   ).

Sorry forgot to mention how cool this plane is looking so far! Can't wait to see what you end up doing to this beast! Dynamic destruction of planes is what you are developing? And Dynamic Reflective Glass?

[-HUNTER- 1]

I think that there also should be some conversation with ppl like RSKL who's making allot of fancy sam systems and radars and other tracking units. And well this plane should be invisble to radar, so I think there should be some code that those uber radars wont lock on to this! So you can truly use this plane what its for!

[echo1 0]

I just couln`t find anything on google, but about a month ago, I saw on an aviation magazine the testing of a F117 oriented on the bombing in the daylight; so it wasn`t a Nighthawk serie and had a Blue/Grey pattern.

Had anyone else seen this plane, and above all, Jen would you

be interested in making that version?

Rumor has it that they are thinking of going to USAF Grey/Blue scheme soon. Maybe it was a test plane?

that said, pastel grey, blue and white is the one that they origanly used on Have Blue( prototypes) as seen in previous pics in this thread, it proved to reduce visibility at night better than black does. But as everyone knows real men don't fly pastel color planes Offical Reason. To make it look more intimidating (ie like Darth Vader's hemlet ).

Sorry forgot to mention how cool this plane is looking so far! Can't wait to see what you end up doing to this beast! Dynamic destruction of planes is what you are developing? And Dynamic Reflective Glass?

Youre quite right -RuN-, the USAF tested out a grey camo for its F-117s for day time raids, I'm not to sure if they actually adopted it, but I say they will eventually. Heres some pics -

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/262654

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-117-pics.htm

[nephilim 0]

yes im aware of this version

i have some pictures of it.

afaik know they dropped the idea

why?

beacuse the f-117 has no radar no countermeasures

+ its far more easy to observe a plane by day then by night.

theres a also a f-117N version designed for the navy

even the f-117 A has an arrestor hook

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

yes im aware of this version

i have some pictures of it.

afaik know they dropped the idea

why?

beacuse the f-117 has no radar no countermeasures

+ its far more easy to observe a plane by day then by night.

theres a also a f-117N version designed for the navy

even the f-117 A has an arrestor hook

The original spec said that the F117 must be stealthy and be a low observable design, so Lockheed used the ‘pastel’ camouflage. The airforce decided that it was going to fly at night and they wanted it painted black, against the suggestion of Lockheed pointing out that it stood out against the sky a lot more.

If you can track down the discovery channel documentary on the F-117 you’ll see the former head of the Lockheed dev team telling the story with a wry little smirk on his face.

Re the varients look

here for all the different proposed versions.

@Neph, excellant textures, have you worked out the stealth side yet?

[Uziyahu--IDF 0]

Not responding to anyone in particular, but camo patterns that work during the day are usually the best patterns for night-time use.  You're only talking about a reduction in the light level.  A faerie doesn't descend from the sky and paint all objects black.

Excellent work, nephilim.

[Daniel 0]

Very nice work so far, good job on the model. This non static reflections sounds very promising aswell.

[nephilim 0]

@rockof sl

im not sure

but i dont think the f-117 is painted black..

the RAM (radar absorbent material) is black its not a paint.

usaf designed it to be a night fighter because a human eye cant see well in hte darkness

you can have the best camouflage on you r plane

but it will be seen because it moves

and during some light situation any plane will appear black at the sky.

but yes

the thing is stealthy now

i mean in ofp

it has some nice script and AI cant shoot it down wit AA missiles

the player part must be tweaked a bit of course

[ExtracTioN 0]

Nephilim are you gonna include a script for the F-117 that makes him not a diving plane

Would be great if you can do such a thing

[.COMmunist 0]

Most ppl are somewhat confused about the stealth technology. It doesn't make the plane COMPLETELY invisible to the radar. It makes it hard to detect by the regular high frequency radar, but low frequency can pick it up no problem. It is not some sort of magic, just science! There was one F117 in OFP before and it could not be detected by the radar, it was so stupid. You just fly around and nobody fires at you. It is like making a tank that nobody can hit, after couple of games noone wants to play it, too boring. If you want to make a realistic addon it needs to have weakness. F117 fighter's weakness is low frequency radar, plus they have to operate in complete radio silence.

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

@rockof sl

im not sure

but i dont think the f-117 is painted black..

the RAM (radar absorbent material) is black its not a paint.

It is definitely painted with a newer version of the special radar absorbent paint (RAM) that is used on the SR71 and U2/TR1 aircraft. The Lockheed site may have more details

If you can find them (the net connection here is bad – poor DNS) you will see pictures of the F-117 being assembled there aren’t many but you can see the different colours of the composite which is used. The natural unpainted colour is a caramel brown, used on most areas to a deep red near the high heat areas (the family of composites is called PTV9872) it’s similar to the stuff used on the Eurofighter engine bays. Not so much for its radar absorbant quality but for its ability to handle heat without becoming too brittle like most composites.

usaf designed it to be a night fighter because a human eye cant see well in hte darkness

you can have the best camouflage on you r plane

but it will be seen because it moves

and during some light situation any plane will appear black at the sky.

Well strictly speaking there wasn’t a requirement for it when Lockheed told the USAF about the HAVE BLUE idea. The main reason it became a “night fighter†was the ‘need’ to keep if from the public eye. The first 2 aircraft were all painted in the pastel camo scheme and the 3rd in the same paint used on the blackbird for stealth testing (according to Bill Sweetman’s book anyway ) – as I said before, the decision was made by the USAF despite Lockheed proving the camo worked better. I believe Lockheed’s project director said, “apparently real men don’t fly pastel airplanesâ€

but yes

the thing is stealthy now

i mean in ofp

it has some nice script and AI cant shoot it down wit AA missiles

the player part must be tweaked a bit of course

I have some ideas and basic scripting I am using for my F117 and B2 – that makes it a lot less invulnerable but still stealthy. When I get back in a week or so I’ll pm you a demo.

[mechastalin 0]

Aww I was hoping for the Have Blue prototype since I'm an X-Plane fanatic but this looks incredible none the less!

[panzergrenadier3 39]

yes im aware of this version

i have some pictures of it.

So I think you know about this

Link

I don't think, that this project is stopped.

[-HUNTER- 1]

@rockof sl

im not sure

but i dont think the f-117 is painted black..

the RAM (radar absorbent material) is black its not a paint.

It is definitely  painted with a newer version of the special radar absorbent paint (RAM) that is used on the SR71 and U2/TR1 aircraft. The Lockheed site may have more details

If you can find them (the net connection here is bad – poor DNS) you will see pictures of the F-117 being assembled there aren’t many but you can see the different colours of the composite which is used.  The natural unpainted colour is a caramel brown, used on most areas to a deep red near the high heat areas (the family of composites is called PTV9872) it’s similar to the stuff used on the Eurofighter engine bays. Not so much for its radar absorbant quality but for its ability to handle heat without becoming too brittle like most composites.

Yeah wasnt there something in the beginning with the B-2 that the paint would come off or well lose its radar absorbing ability... I read or saw it some time ago, cannot remember correctly though.

I would really like it if this plane would become "compatible" with the radar systems your making! Because most systems your currently making are russian. And the F-117 is would be on the US side. So it would be cool to actually be able to fly thrue SAM defended airspace, undetected.

The F-117 and the enemy SAM and radar equipment looks really good and will certainly be adding more realisme to OFP once again!

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

Yeah wasnt there something in the beginning with the B-2 that the paint would come off or well lose its radar absorbing ability... I read or saw it some time ago, cannot remember correctly though.

I don’t know about it coming off but I know it cost a lot ot keep touching it up because of  fly/insect impacts

I would really like it if this plane would become "compatible" with the radar systems your making! Because most systems your currently making are russian. And the F-117 is would be on the US side. So it would be cool to actually be able to fly thrue SAM defended airspace, undetected.

The F-117 and the enemy SAM and radar equipment looks really good and will certainly be adding more realisme to OFP once again!

Its really not a matter of making anything compatible.  Any addon should be able to ‘use’ or be ‘used; by the system.

Well this is Neph’s thread so im not going to go on but tbh from looking at the screenies this F117 looks far better than my own.  I may well cancel my F117 altogether.  

[nephilim 0]

plane is not dead yet

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2043/39xn.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7391/68lh.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9439/83fg1.jpg

dont count on a ofp1 release

im too short on time

oh and btw

the f-117 is indeed painted with a special paint called

iron ball paint

it consists of iron ferite and other "ingredients"

but also the inner frame construction makes the f-117

stealth.

in the early day its been coated with a RAM material

but since the block 2 version they paint the alluminium chassis

only.

also the f-117 isnt that stealthy at all

AWACS planes can detect them due their strog radar

at large distances the f-117 is not detectable

but at short distances eg 500 meters (approx)

or more its detectable by any radar

so basically its cannon fodder at dog fights

specially it lacks of any counter measures hehe

[Daniel 0]

That. looks. sweet.