BIS broken with CODEMASTERS?

[Garcia 0]

Some poeple will be like, i heard OFP was a great game.. oh look OFP2 lets get it.. soon after.. this is crap..

How do you know it will be crap? Seriously, no one has even played it and they are judging it... That's like saying a concept car will have bad fuel economy even before the design is unveiled.

I, personally, will buy both. If the CM one turns out to be awful, hey, at most it'll be $50, not exactly a substantial blow to the wallet.

Because the chance of CM making a good game (compared with OFP and Game 2) is rather low, as they don't got too much experience. Yes they had some guys working with BIS on OFP, but BIS still got best experience. So, biggest chance BIS will make the best game. And think about it...BIS had probaly already worked a lot on game 2 before they broke with CM, so CMs OFP2 was probaly started long time after BIS started on game 2, if CMs OFP2 is under development yet. So most likely CM will push the release of OFP2 to get it out at the same time as BIS' game 2, and therefor it will be really shit (compared to BIS' game 2).

As an example, SI Games and Eidios broke, after years of SI Games developing Championship Manager, and Eidios publishing it. SI Games started making Football Manager, same game as before with new name and new publisher, while Eidios got a new developer for Championship Manager, same name, new game. Football Manager turned out to be really good, Championship Manager turned out to be really crap. Why? SI Games had the rights to the database and all that from older Championship Manager games and they had the experience. Eidios' new developer started from scratch without the same experience.

So, BIS got the best chance of a good game, CM got a good chance for their game being crap. Time will show, but I'll put my money on BIS. BIS have given us the best game ever, and I trust they will make the game that finally beats their old baby.

[Bikecop 0]

God fights on the side with more money... God fights with Codemasters... They after all got more partners than BIS. They will make a better game than BIS.

[MFSP 0]

Some poeple will be like, i heard OFP was a great game.. oh look OFP2 lets get it.. soon after.. this is crap..

How do you know it will be crap? Seriously, no one has even played it and they are judging it... That's like saying a concept car will have bad fuel economy even before the design is unveiled.

I, personally, will buy both. If the CM one turns out to be awful, hey, at most it'll be $50, not exactly a substantial blow to the wallet.

Because the chance of CM making a good game (compared with OFP and Game 2) is rather low, as they don't got too much experience. Yes they had some guys working with BIS on OFP, but BIS still got best experience. So, biggest chance BIS will make the best game. And think about it...BIS had probaly already worked a lot on game 2 before they broke with CM, so CMs OFP2 was probaly started long time after BIS started on game 2, if CMs OFP2 is under development yet. So most likely CM will push the release of OFP2 to get it out at the same time as BIS' game 2, and therefor it will be really shit (compared to BIS' game 2).

As an example, SI Games and Eidios broke, after years of SI Games developing Championship Manager, and Eidios publishing it. SI Games started making Football Manager, same game as before with new name and new publisher, while Eidios got a new developer for Championship Manager, same name, new game. Football Manager turned out to be really good, Championship Manager turned out to be really crap. Why? SI Games had the rights to the database and all that from older Championship Manager games and they had the experience. Eidios' new developer started from scratch without the same experience.

So, BIS got the best chance of a good game, CM got a good chance for their game being crap. Time will show, but I'll put my money on BIS. BIS have given us the best game ever, and I trust they will make the game that finally beats their old baby.

That didn't quite answer my question... Nor did it really adress the point of my post.

What I'm saying is this: No one is giving CM a chance. Without even seeing a screen or hearing about features, they are writing it off as garbage.

It doesn't matter if they don't have experience as a publisher. They may hire a top-notch development team that has some great Ideas, great workers, as well as talent and skill.

Now, I'll agree it is rather low for them to try and cash in on the Operation Flashpoint name, stealing it from BIS, but, really, no one here has enough information to judge their game.

I'll support the BIS game most definitely, as I know it'll be great. It may, and in all likelihood will, be better than the CM game.

But, I will not write off the CM game as crap, or as a BF1942 copy until I play a demo, read on features, and see screens.

And as to the last post by Bikecop:

I hope that was a sarcastic post... I'm rather tired right now, so forgive me if it was.

[Garcia 0]

it's was an answer to why there's a big chance that the CM game will be crap compared to the BIS one. Of course the game can be good, but I don't think it'll be as good at BIS' game. Don't think they'll manage to make a good game and keep it realistic. At least not as realistic as BIS can

[MFSP 0]

it's was an answer to why there's a big chance that the CM game will be crap compared to the BIS one. Of course the game can be good, but I don't think it'll be as good at BIS' game. Don't think they'll manage to make a good game and keep it realistic. At least not as realistic as BIS can

Well, what I was saying is that people are already labeling it as garbage... I'll agree with you, I'm not expecting it to be a great game. But I'm giving them a chance.

The only thing that bothers me is all these people saying that their game is trash when they haven't even layed eyes on anything related to it besides a post by their community liason officer in their forums.

[Bikecop 0]

Funny that no BIS fan has called apon a Holy war against Codemasters. Probably dont need to also. Dont you think ?

[shinRaiden 0]

Well the problem is that as I'm neither Catholic nor Muslim, I'm not certain of the proper verbage to make an appropiate Call for Crusades, or a Fatwa of Jihad. Otherwise I would have done so already.

[Bikecop 0]

Why not say it in Czech? (That way it dont seem sacrelige to BIS)

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

Perhaps the CM game will be MUCH better than the BIS, who knows?

[Metal Heart 0]

Sure, there's always a chance. Like if you started tapping the keys on your keyboard randomly like a mad man right now, you might write a perfect replica of, say Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. You can't say that it's totally impossible.

[Postduifje 0]

Don't know if this was there all the time, but this line at the bottom of the Armed Assault page makes it seem that there is quite a lot of distance between BIS and CM, altough official statements imply a reunion is still a possibility. Furtermore it says BIS is distributing the game itself, so the quest for a new publisher might not be there.

Quote[/b] ]*OPERATION FLASHPOINT IS THE US REGISTERED TRADEMARK OF CODEMASTER SOFTWARE COMPANY LTD.  THE ORIGINAL PRODUCTS ADVERTISED ON THIS WEBSITE ARE SOLD AND DISTRIBUTED BY BOHEMIA INTERACTIVE STUDIO S.R.O., WHICH IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH, AUTHORIZED BY OR RELATED TO THE TRADEMARK OWNER.

[Garcia 0]

That got nothing to do with BIS not liking CM or anything...it's just BIS making sure nobody misunderstands something and stuff like that, so CM can't give em hell cause CM own the OFP trademark. And the publisher question is mostly for Game 2, not Armed Assault...So maybe BIS is planning to publish Armed Assault themself, but most likely they'll still be looking for a publisher for game 2...

[Hannibal- I. 0]

That got nothing to do with BIS not liking CM or anything...

CM is somehow focussing anew on Online-Games .... they say ....:

"Codemasters gründet neue Online-Spiele-Abteilung

Casual-Gaming-Portal und verschiedene MMO-Abkommen geplant

Der britische Spielepublisher und -entwickler Codemasters will sich mit seiner neu gegründeten "Codemasters Online Group" nun auch Onlinespielen stärker widmen. Geplant sind ein Casual-Gaming-Portal und auch im Bereich Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO) will Codemasters bald Ankündigungen machen."

Source: http://www.golem.de/0507/38986.html

By the by: I dont like CM pressing Bohemia with that brand "Operation Flashpoint". Their marketing performance was bad as bad can be. They should be ashamed to have OF now laying beneath the counter for a 15 Euros, whereelse bad - but new! - games (like BF2) cost a 50 Euros.

[Moving Target 0]

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Operation Flashpoint 2 is now in design and development at Bohemia Interactive Studio, the Prague-based creators of the original, and will be published by Codemasters late in 2004 for PC.

Shoves down Codemasters throat.

[cozza 24]

1 thought for the split.

Its all about money. Well Codemasters truned to BIS to make a competitor for EA's Battlefield and Half Life 2. Meaning take away alot of the realism and but in more FPS stuff, Like God like health and God Like stregnh. BIS said fuck you... We're not giving up our community we have and split. That one idea

Another would be CM got pissed with BIS for publishing VBS1 without CM help  

[Dallas 9]

I'll try to cut to the bone:

- BIS is creating a sequel.

- CM is creating a copy.

[hermano 0]

Hi!

I'll quote this thread (other snippets were already in older posts here).

If I got it right Zzzzz (now Zzeno) is in charge for OFP2 at codemasters, now have a look at this post:

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I joined Codies during the development of Flashpoint and worked in the QA team throughout the development of the game. I also worked with teh Red Hammer team in testing their campaign.....btw we couldn't implement new islands et al as BIS were already doing that and it is their engine. It was also the story from the other side so new islands were'nt necessary to teh story.

Red Hammer did cost us money to make...staff costs, marketing, etc Expansion packs as a general rule are sold for cash by companies, but as you said, free community built campaigns are available. Agreed resistance was a good pack too, but was nails to the average gamer. Designed with the hrdcore players in mind that was (Yodaism )

A programmer codes as you know, but guidance is required so they code the right thing....we provided some of that guidance.

The politics of companies never gets publicised usually....go figure

Roguefreak....we will be releasing more news on this down the line.

Jie...Indeed Codemasters wishes to make money, what company doesn't? But consider that the game we release is actually awe-inspiring, fun and everything you wanted in a game....believe it or not, even BIS wish to make money too

Korax...Resistance was fully designed by BIS, we tested it and published it. You can actually see the differences in design styles by comparing the three campaigns.

We'll have to see how things pan out and discuss the potential of Flashpoint 2 once we release the screensots and videos....until then I'm sure there will be much speculation and tooing and froing. I sincerely believe you will like our offering as much as BIS's...until release though we will have to wait and see.

So they mainly did Red Hammer, I hated it, just too buggy and those are Codemasters QA guys?

A programmer is just a stupid sheep that can program but has to be guided otherwise? What a kind of ******* says something like that (esp. if you look at the quality of their own work )?

And yes, I could see a huge difference between red hammer and resistance.

What I have read and seen so far tells me that there is not much hope for a good ofp2 by codemasters, I am seriously interested to see their game, but I expect it to be a mediocre game2 ripoff at best.

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[Garcia 0]

The experience I've had with developer and publisher breaking, and developer making sequel with another name while publisher finds new developer team for "sequel" with same name is baaad (for the publisher). Usually the developer comes up with a game that's of really good quality, while the publishers game is poo...good example is, for those who plays these games, Championship Manager/Football Manager. SI Games and Eidios made lots of Championship Manager games, then they broke last year. SI Games, who owned the core of the game and all that, made Football Manager 2005, which was a good game...Eidios got a new developer for Championship Manager 5, which was postponed several times, was released about 4-6 months later than it should have been, and it sucked...never played the last game, cause the reviews of it wasn't nice to read...the reason for this is that the developer owns about everything except the name...so they got a easier time making a new game, unless they decide to not use anything from the previous game...and they got the experience of making this game...even though Codies says they worked on OFP and all that, I don't think they're even close to having as much experience as BIS team...

[Guest Ti0n3r]

Lets face the facts. The codemasters game known as Operation Flashpoint 2 is nothing more than a desperate atempt to get more money. It's a shame that Flashpoint will be drawn in the mud by them.

[Longjocks 0]

1 thought for the split.

Its all about money. Well Codemasters truned to BIS to make a competitor for EA's Battlefield and Half Life 2. Meaning take away alot of the realism and but in more FPS stuff, Like God like health and God Like stregnh. BIS said fuck you... We're not giving up our community we have and split. That one idea

Another would be CM got pissed with BIS for publishing VBS1 without CM help  

Ah, but you forgot the one where Codemasters built a spaceship to go to Venus where they discovered the fountain of youth that was planted there by flying moo-cows (that one was for you, Espectro ). They brought it back to earth and decided that they no longer needed to publish BIS' OFP2 because they are going to live in underground caves until the next age of mankind where they will suck the blood of the innocent and rule with an iron fist.

Our stories are very similar in the most important respect... they are derived purely from our imaginations. I think I'm repeating myself here.

@Garcia... I understand your last argument completely, but unfortunately it only holds water when looking at it from one side. Forgetting for a moment that tastes are subjective, add up how many sequels by the same developer that have flopped or, while not being 'bad', have been uninspired and not pushed the boundaries of what its predecessor achieved. Maybe a study is in order?

I don't even care about the hostility at Codemasters, I just have to laugh each time some base-level comment is made about nothing at all. Loyalty to BIS or whomever is one thing, but since when has fandom been paid for in brain cells? Any help in understanding what is happening here would be appreciated.

[Garcia 0]

All I'm saying is that I belive that the BIS game will be better...not saying CMs game will be crap...it will maybe be better than BIS' game, though, if I was gonna place money on one of the games, it would be BIS' game...I'll most likely try the demo of CMs game, and if it's any good, but for now, I keep my money on BIS' game being the better of the 2...

[Acecombat 0]

Some poeple will be like, i heard OFP was a great game.. oh look OFP2 lets get it.. soon after.. this is crap..

How do you know it will be crap? Seriously, no one has even played it and they are judging it... That's like saying a concept car will have bad fuel economy even before the design is unveiled.

I, personally, will buy both. If the CM one turns out to be awful, hey, at most it'll be $50, not exactly a substantial blow to the wallet.

Dunno where you live at but 50$ wasted at a virtual entertainment thing will be quite a substantial loss for me. I'd rather save it for something else.

[Longjocks 0]

All I'm saying is that I belive that the BIS game will be better...not saying CMs game will be crap...it will maybe be better than BIS' game, though, if I was gonna place money on one of the games, it would be BIS' game...I'll most likely try the demo of CMs game, and if it's any good, but for now, I keep my money on BIS' game being the better of the 2...

I actually agree. My instinct, through respect for BIS and their product, is that they will make a game that will not likely be topped. But that's all we have, our instinct.

I will always be a cautious shopper and OFP2 and/or Game2 will receive strutiny before I throw my money around. So coming back to what some are saying about the US$50, I have no sympathy for those that spend money, especially what they consider a significant amount, on a whim.