hellfish6 7 Posted April 25, 2005 and to this when I'm in Spain =DUn cervéza, por favor. I might very well be wrong, but isn't it "Una cerveza, por favor?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ag_smith 0 Posted April 25, 2005 Having learnt a few different languages, I can say that English is the easiest of them all and my native language (Polish) is the most difficult (no joke!). German.... hmmm.... it's the second most difficult language I've ever had a chance to learn. In fact I've learnt German for like 8 years and my skills at Deutsche sprache are uncomparable to English that I started to learn from computer games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pathy 0 Posted April 26, 2005 Nah your right Hellfish. But to show off, yo quiero una cerveza por favor  Edit: Hehe the guy in the net cafe just came up and asked me if i wanted a beer (in spanish)....obviously saw what i was typing lol...no gracias, perro you quiero un chocolate caliente por favor....  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted April 26, 2005 Edit: Hehe the guy in the net cafe just came up and asked me if i wanted a beer (in spanish)....obviously saw what i was typing lol...no gracias, perro you quiero un chocolate caliente por favor....  To show off, żTú quieres un chocolate caliente en vez de una cerveza?  żTú es loco, verdad? ˇTú necesita una cerveza para su cabeza! Chocolate caliente nunca es mejor que cerveza. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted April 26, 2005 lol...no gracias, perro you quiero un chocolate caliente por favor.... Lol. "No thanks, dog I want a hot chocolate please" Anyways, after 12 years in Canada I speak English better than my native Spanish, but I'm still fully fluent even if I mess up the occasional word. Russian....I can hold my own but talk to me for more than 5 minutes and you'll know for sure I'm not native. Funny thing is, in any of the three languages I'm told my accent is perfect. Thing I've found about Spanish...different words/phrases have very different meanings from country to country. In Cuba, "Guagua" is slang for bus. In most other countries it's slang for baby. I remember one incident close to 10 years ago when a friend of mine from El Salvador called me and my mom told him I was in the shower because I had just gone to get my hair cut - "Se peló". Well, in El Salvador, apparently that phrase means "He went beserk" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kavoven 4 Posted April 26, 2005 To show off At Pathy and hooahman: If you speak real spanish, you leave to YO, TU etc away ;) Quiero tener OFP 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted April 26, 2005 To show offAt Pathy and hooahman: If you speak real spanish, you leave to YO, TU etc away ;) Quiero tener OFP 2 Â Â It's gramatically correct...just not how anyone native speaks . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bucket man 2 Posted April 26, 2005 In Finland they start teaching us english in 3rd grade and that continues in every single school after that being it high school or... I dont know what its called, anyway the place where you learn a specific job and not some general knowledge. So in school I learned the basic rules of speaking and writing english and my vocabulary has been growing eversense because of movies or games mostly. Novadays I visit english forums daily and read foreign news sites. Still even though I was always one of the best students in my class considering english, I think anyone who speaks english as his mothers language can notice many small and big mistakes in my text. Anybody who is not finnish by birth should try to learn finnish and you will know what language is hard to learn and what is not! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fieldcraft 0 Posted April 26, 2005 But, in Finland you start school when you are 7 year's old. So in 3rd grade, you are 10 years old. And yeah, Finnish is hard language to learn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peanut 0 Posted April 26, 2005 Are you from Bavaria by chance? Nah, I'm coming from Lower Saxoni, quite close to the dutch border and I just like beer @ Hellfish6 Thanks for the correction, I will keep this in mind on my next spanish vacation This is the only sentence that I'm quite able to speek on spanish, so it should at least be right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted April 26, 2005 Nah, I'm coming from Lower Saxoni, quite close to the dutch border and I just like beer Ah, another Niedersachse! You propably heard of the OFP Maniac Locator? http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~frank13/map/map.html http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....t=42262 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimpy 0 Posted April 28, 2005 I am a native English speaker. It was, in fact, one of the only things I was ever any good at in school. I also taught myself German, basically just to see if I could. I started off by working right through a set of text books and kept it up to date by reading, and a year studying in Freiburg im Breisgau (a beautiful little town in S. Germany). Eventually I have ended up in the Netherlands and had to learn some Dutch (I refuse to take the lazy way out and expect the natives to speak English to suit me, although in many cases I do have to force the Dutch NOT to speak English to me). My biggest problem is that Dutch and German are basically the same language. A philologist comparing them would, I am sure, conclude that the one is just a dialect of the other. This, by the way, is an easy way to antagonise a Dutchman - just tell him he speaks Low German! I continually find myself interjecting the odd German word into a Dutch sentence, or else having to stop mid-sentence because I suddenly realise that I am about to perpetrate a "Germanism" and have to think of the Dutch "equivalent". One advantage however is that reading Dutch, with a knowledge of German, is very simple. As regards accents and pronunciation I find it easier to acquire a "native" accent if they have a strong accent anyway. Just speak in a "caricatured" French or German accent (eg. "Aha! Englander; ve haff vayz ov making you talk!") but use the appropriate language and you can often pass for a native quite easily. I recall once that a German man I met, who had been blind for most of his life, commented that I sounded like a German. This I regarded as praise indeed! One of the problems with the Dutch is that they don't have a recognisable accent that one can imitate. My Dutch pronunciation therefore is terrible. I don't even have the excuse that the Dutch "g" sound is hard for me. As a Scot I use the open vowels and rolled "g"/"ch" Â sounds all the time in my native speech. I still have trouble distinguishing the subtle differences in the sounds of words like "rook" and "reuk"; to say nothing of managing to pronounce the difference accurately myself! I sometimes enjoy the game of spotting how a non-native speaker has learned or polished their English. Some speak with an American accent and use American idioms, some speak with the English accent and idioms. The "American" speakers tend to have got most of it from TV or films; the "English" speakers tend generally to have got it in a more studied, academic way. I have never been troubled at all by non-native speakers making mistakes in English. I am less tolerant, I must admit, of native speakers who have not mastered English. Some of the language standards exhibited elsewhere on the Internet, by native speakers, are truly shocking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr burns 132 Posted April 28, 2005 Some ofthe language standards exhibited elsewhere on the Internet, by native speakers, are truly shocking. that´s got to be the same everywhere .. terrible youth nowadays doesn´t know their own chancellor or even dont find their own country on the map, not to speak of their grammar. damn i sound like someones grandma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimpy 0 Posted April 28, 2005 It's not just the "youth", I wouldn't mind so much if it was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted April 28, 2005 that´s got to be the same everywhere .. terrible youth nowadays doesn´t know their own chancellor or even dont find their own country on the map, not to speak of their grammar. Oh yeah! Hey Miss (East Germany), where's your country? Answer? Watch this: http://www.sat1.de/tvmagazine/blitz/videos/29448/ Quote[/b] ]damn i sound like someones grandma No, that's just personal wisdom making noise... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted April 28, 2005 Oh yeah! Hey Miss (East Germany), where's your country? Answer? Watch this: http://www.sat1.de/tvmagazine/blitz/videos/29448/ LMAO I mean, I'm assuming Westen is not "North" and Osten is not "South" in German Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr burns 132 Posted April 28, 2005 Oh yeah! Hey Miss (East Germany), where's your country? Answer? Watch this: http://www.sat1.de/tvmagazine/blitz/videos/29448/ Quote[/b] ]whaa bavaria didn´t belong to the former german democratic republique?what a classic example! omg see that? poland is situated in germany lmao i just have to quote broesel now: Quote[/b] ]Wir trampeln durch´s Gemüse,wir trampeln durch die Saat Hurra wir verblöden, für uns bezahlt der Staat! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted April 29, 2005 This, by the way, is an easy way to antagonise a Dutchman - just tell him he speaks Low German! Even though I am frisian (you may have heard of us) I wouldn't use that joke in company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4 IN 1 0 Posted April 29, 2005 learning english is not that hard if you know the way saddly though that not everyone knows how......... for me? being one of the victim of old style Hong Kong Education, i start learning ABC since Kindergarten, and thank god i got a few good english teacher in secondary school, in the matter of fact, I use english even better then using chiness (not good at all ), i once think about learn German, but words from those folks who learnd/temp to learn German just freak me out , and IMO *evil mode on* Start learning Chiness while you still get chance muhAHAHAHAHA mhaha mheheheheh mhAhAhAha  :DDDD XDDDDD *cough~cough* *evil mode off* eh?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted April 29, 2005 *evil mode on*Start learning Chiness while you still get chance muhAHAHAHAHA mhaha mheheheheh mhAhAhAha :DDDD XDDDDD *cough~cough* *evil mode off* What I found confusing is that there are apparently no words for Yes or No in Chinese? On the other hand one just exchanges one word to turn a question into an answer... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
somebloke 0 Posted April 29, 2005 Well, the languages of Japan and China, and a few other countries are so different to western languages. We westerners have roughly 26 letters in our alphabets. Japan and China probably have 50,000 different symbols, with different meanings. (sorry if it makes no sense) Basically, we use our language as a way to ask questions, and get answers. In China, they use language to express their emotions. And don't blame me, this is from my Tutor at College Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-33ker 0 Posted April 29, 2005 I learned most of English by watching Cartoon Network when I was like 4 years old.No kidding Hahaha... Cartoon Network was a very good teacher... for both of us! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4 IN 1 0 Posted April 29, 2005 Well, the languages of Japan and China, and a few other countries are so different to western languages. We westerners have roughly 26 letters in our alphabets. Japan and China probably have 50,000 different symbols, with different meanings. (sorry if it makes no sense) well thats non sence as there are probably "over" 50,000 symbols in chiness Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted April 29, 2005 We westerners have roughly 26 letters in our alphabets. Japan and China probably have 50,000 different symbols, with different meanings. (sorry if it makes no sense) Look in an up-to-date dictionary: We have thousands of different symbols, too. Ok, we compose them out of 26 letter symbols and call them words, but words/syllables are equal to chinese symbols. Iirc they chopped the jungle of symbols (cut back to 5000? most used symbols) in the 50s/60s... In our Chinese classes we learned that each symbol consists of a limited number of different lines and curves and represents a very simplified picture of its meaning. Look at Wester languages: We compose our symbols out of a limited pool of characters, too... Found this today: http://mandarin.org.sg/multimedia/evolution/default.htm To me it's a very fascinating language... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4 IN 1 0 Posted April 30, 2005 We westerners have roughly 26 letters in our alphabets. Japan and China probably have 50,000 different symbols, with different meanings. (sorry if it makes no sense) Look in an up-to-date dictionary: We have thousands of different symbols, too. Ok, we compose them out of 26 letter symbols and call them words, but words/syllables are equal to chinese symbols. Iirc they chopped the jungle of symbols (cut back to 5000? most used symbols) in the 50s/60s... In our Chinese classes we learned that each symbol consists of a limited number of different lines and curves and represents a very simplified picture of its meaning. Look at Wester languages: We compose our symbols out of a limited pool of characters, too... Found this today: http://mandarin.org.sg/multimedia/evolution/default.htm To me it's a very fascinating language... if you look into a chinese dictionary you will find that there is more then that, most of the words are form up from different parts by many basic symbols Share this post Link to post Share on other sites