Billabong81 0 Posted December 17, 2004 I am looking into getting quite a few upgrades for my PC after Christmas. These upgrades include a mobo, processor, video card, and RAM. I have been looking at both Intel and AMD processors/mobos and can not decide which I want to get. Intel has PCI Express, but is considerably more expensive. AMD doesn't have PCI Express, but I have heard they are better for gaming (which is what this PC is used for). I have been looking at a 3.4GHz P4 HT or an AMD Athlon 64 3500+. Could some of you guys shed some light on the pros/cons of each . Thanks in advance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colossus 2 Posted December 17, 2004 When I upgraded my computer I did go for Intel becouse of higher amount of GHz, but I think AMD has a much better performance then Intel processors. I really did some research when I upgraded and I advise you to do the same. One of my favorite sites for this kind of info is on Hardware.no, but thats in norwegian (Too bad, it's a really good website) Here is hardware.no's recommendations list: Best of the best: 1. AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 Good processors: 2. AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 3. Pentium 4 - 540 4. AMD Athlon 64 3200+ "Low budget" 5. Sempron 2400+ But to get the best performance out of a processor you'll need a good motherboard. Also check the FSB on the processors and what kind of sockel the motherboard uses, and the processor uses. Good hunting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted December 17, 2004 Here are the two I am looking at: - AMD Athlon 64 3500+ - AMD Motherboard - Intel Pentium 4 3.4GHz Hyper Threading - Intel Motherboard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colossus 2 Posted December 17, 2004 New socket 939 motherboard comming soon nForce4: Gigabyte K8NXP-9 and the best of the best is... ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe It supports dual PCI-graphic card (!) and has 4 slots for DDR RAM- EDIT: After thinking about AMD or Intel I found out that I would have chosen AMD, becouse you'll get maximum preformance from most of there equipment (Graphic cards, motherboards and CPU's) Intel is in the same level, but AMD has something extra. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted December 17, 2004 I am aiming more for the 2nd line stuff instead of the top of the line items. Â They will still FLY on any games and be cheaper at the same time . EDIT: Oh, just realized that mobo is AMD with PCIe. I will definately have to look into that. The best of both worlds . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milkman 1 Posted December 17, 2004 I dont see any reason to get a 64bit processor when the OS for it won't be out for another 4 or so years. By then Intel will have their own and it will be superior to AMD's. Just like their current line of 32 bit processors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdog~ 0 Posted December 17, 2004 Get an Athlon 64. I will never ever use Intel. Ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D34N 0 Posted December 17, 2004 Quote[/b] ]I dont see any reason to get a 64bit processor when the OS for it won't be out for another 4 or so years. Actually 2 or 3 at most. Quote[/b] ]By then Intel will have their own and it will be superior to AMD's. Just like their current line of 32 bit processors. Thats quite an assumption.. have a time machine? Quote[/b] ]Get an Athlon 64.I will never ever use Intel. Ever. Fanboy!!! Thats pretty crazy that you are that close minded... And of course the AMD64 is a better choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted December 17, 2004 It seems as though the general consensus is AMD is the better choice (besides Milkman, but he may just want to be the odd man out ). Thanks for the help guys! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shinRaiden 0 Posted December 17, 2004 Quote[/b] ]I dont see any reason to get a 64bit processor when the OS for it won't be out for another 4 or so years. NetBSD OpenBSD FreeBSD Redhat EL Suse EL Gentoo Solaris 10 ... You have a specific OS in mind? What were you planning to run on those 64 bits anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dauragon 0 Posted December 17, 2004 Quote[/b] ]I dont see any reason to get a 64bit processor when the OS for it won't be out for another 4 or so years. NetBSD OpenBSD FreeBSD Redhat EL Suse EL Gentoo Solaris 10 ... You have a specific OS in mind? Â Â What were you planning to run on those 64 bits anyway? games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benu 1 Posted December 17, 2004 I dont see any reason to get a 64bit processor when the OS for it won't be out for another 4 or so years. By then Intel will have their own and it will be superior to AMD's. Just like their current line of 32 bit processors. Afaik there is already a win xp 64 bit edition out there, beta or testing or something. The problem is that there seem to be not many 64 bit drivers for it. But you can use 64bit cpus with 32bit os too, and get more performance than with 32bit cpus. This is kinda like saying "i won't get a dx9 graphics card cause there aren't any games out there that do not run with dx8 or lesser". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted December 17, 2004 You have a specific OS in mind? What were you planning to run on those 64 bits anyway? games Barrage (simple but great) Bomberclone BZFlag GLaxium GL Tron Tux Kart FreeSCI Sarien ScummVM America's Army Doom 3 Enemy Territory ET Pro ET True Combat UT2004 UT2004 Alienswarm UT2004 Domain 2049 UT2004 FragOps UT2004 Red Orchestra Vendetta (space MMPORG) Beneath a Steel Sky Neverwinter Nights Flight of the Amazon Queen Flightgear Simutrans Billard GL Foo Billard Trophy Crimson Scorched3D FreeCiv SCNR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milkman 1 Posted January 4, 2005 You have a specific OS in mind? What were you planning to run on those 64 bits anyway? games Barrage (simple but great) Bomberclone BZFlag GLaxium GL Tron Tux Kart FreeSCI Sarien ScummVM America's Army Doom 3 Enemy Territory ET Pro ET True Combat UT2004 UT2004 Alienswarm UT2004 Domain 2049 UT2004 FragOps UT2004 Red Orchestra Vendetta (space MMPORG) Beneath a Steel Sky Neverwinter Nights Flight of the Amazon Queen Flightgear Simutrans Billard GL Foo Billard Trophy Crimson Scorched3D FreeCiv SCNR Okay time to bring this back up. I dont see OFP2 or HL2 in there, so until I do, no 64bit for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted January 4, 2005 The new windows x64 edition (which is a free download I might add ) runs most games, just at 32bit level. Â I have not tried the new x64 edition beta however, because I have heard some programs simply do not work with it at all . Â I found a really good review of the new x64 edition of windows by searching google, I will try and find it again and post it here. EDIT: Here is the review. Â I would also like to add I did end up getting a Athlon 64 3500+. Â It runs like a dream . EDIT2: I would also like to add since Benu's post, a few major companies have released 64 bit drivers for their hardware. I know ATI and Nvidia have released the latest drivers for their GFX cards for the x64 edition of windows. Not sure about drivers for other types of hardware though, as I haven't looked into it since I am not using the 64 bit edition of windows . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winters 1 Posted January 4, 2005 Just remember that whatever you get, it will be replaced by something better by the time you take it out of the box. So whats top of the line today wont be the top come tmmw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted January 4, 2005 That is why I didn't buy an FX-53/55. It would have been $500+ and I got my 3500+ for $270 . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lee_h._oswald 0 Posted January 4, 2005 I really like my Athlon 64 3000+ (1800Mhz) Socket 939. You can overclock it without water cooling(or other wild stuff) and without any "hardware modifications" very easy to 2400Mhz(and higher). I am really not a fan of overclocking, but OFP runs very good with ~2400Mhz. (And the 3000+ is very cheap) MfG Lee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted January 4, 2005 I really like my Athlon 64 3000+ (1800Mhz) Socket 939.You can overclock it without water cooling(or other wild stuff) and without any "hardware modifications" very easy to 2400Mhz(and higher). I am really not a fan of overclocking, but OFP runs very good with ~2400Mhz. (And the 3000+ is very cheap) MfG Lee My BIOS came with a built in overclocking thing, which allows me to overclock my stuff by up to 9% (includes everything, RAM, video card, CPU, and mobo). Would you suggest I try this? I am hesitant because I have never overclocked before and this thing is running extremely fast as it is . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted January 4, 2005 I dont see OFP2 or HL2 in there, so until I do, no 64bit for me. One or more of the Half-Life developers are former Microsofties, so there will never be a Half-Life Linux version. As for OFP2... no answer atm, but imo... no. They use Direct3D instead of OpenGL, so porting OFP2 will be very difficult... Conclusion: No OFP2 and no HL2 outside Windows. Period? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milkman 1 Posted January 4, 2005 Does intel have a 64bit processor planned anytime soon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted January 4, 2005 I know they have one in development...how far their progress so far is, I don't know . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lee_h._oswald 0 Posted January 4, 2005 Would you suggest I try this? Â I am hesitant because I have never overclocked before and this thing is running extremely fast as it is . I would never suggest anything like that. To much can be damaged with overclocking. For me, it's my hardware. If it's damaged, it's my fault. And my money. MfG Lee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EiZei 0 Posted January 4, 2005 Does intel have a 64bit processor planned anytime soon? Intel itanium came out in 2001. Anyways, I recall Windows XP 64bit edition coming out during the first half of this year. There is also a testing version available for those feeling adventurous. Not that I would care that much being stuck with a brand new 2GHz duron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billabong81 0 Posted January 5, 2005 Would you suggest I try this? Â I am hesitant because I have never overclocked before and this thing is running extremely fast as it is . I would never suggest anything like that. To much can be damaged with overclocking. For me, it's my hardware. If it's damaged, it's my fault. And my money. MfG Lee Then I will stick with current stuff and overclock in a year or year and 1/2 . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
