Generic OPFOR BETA 1

[Tomislav 0]

for some it worked with th bas units, for others eith sucheys usmc guys, try that

[Baphomet 0]

Does this addon have dependencies?

I don't get it.

[ruff 102]

I've installed the updated version but I get the invis bodies too and a error msg saying something like "file not found: wyw_texlod\bdufront.pac"

Ben Morton

do u have both files?

the update just overwrites 1 file

u have to have wyw_tex.pbo also from the first release

[BenMorton 0]

Yeah sorry my fault, I downlaoded the updated file which didnt have the tex stuff but its ok now.

They're nice units but too laggy to use in a mission which is a shame cos I've wanted to make a cuban type mission for some time ;/

[Baphomet 0]

So they are laggy huh?

Bah. That sucks. They're of no use to me then.

They were really cool too.

[@cero 0]

They don't lagg for me.

I used to have the "Hollow man" bug aswell, I had to reinstall windows the other day, sense I reistaled I haven't had that bug. I completly redone my mod folders, so a lot of addons that I had in my hard drive aren't there anymore, no in the OFP directory anyway.

I think that this bugg could be related to a combination of factors, graphics and addons, maybe something ellse aswell.

Maybe the people with this bugs should try to do a little experiment:

Move all te addon folders you have outside the OFP directory.

Go to your desktop and make two folders, one call resistance and the oder cold war, or whatever.

On the "cold war" folder, move all the addons from your main addons folder but this ones listed below.

6G30.pbo

Abox.pbo

Apac.pbo

Bizon.pbo

Bmp2.pbo

Brmd.pbo

Ch47.pbo

Flags.pbo

G36a.pbo

Humr.pbo

Hunter.pbo

Kozl.pbo

Laserguided.pbo

M2a2.pbo

Mm-1.pbo

Oh58.pbo

Steyr.pbo

Su25.pbo

Trab.pbo

VoiceRH.pbo

Vulcan.pbo

XMS.pbo

In the "Resistance" folder, move all the addons from your Resistance addons folder in there but the ones listed below.

6G30.pbo

Abox.pbo

Apac.pbo

Bizon.pbo

Bmp2.pbo

Brmd.pbo

Ch47.pbo

Flags.pbo

G36a.pbo

Humr.pbo

Hunter.pbo

KOLO.pbo

Kozl.pbo

Laserguided.pbo

M2a2.pbo

Mini.pbo

Mm-1.pbo

Noe.pbo

O.pbo

O_WP.pbo

Oh58.pbo

Steyr.pbo

Su25.pbo

Trab.pbo

VoiceRH.pbo

Vulcan.pbo

XMS.pbo

All this are the BIS addons that came with the original instalation discs and maybe there is some from some updates in there aswell.

If you problem is gone, then you know that it roots from an addon conflict, if it persist it may have to do with your graphics or God knows what.

After you are done, move the addons back to their original folders, if you problem is to do with addons I would sugest you to move them addons in little groups and fire OFP, then try to see if the "Hollow man" bug is back, if no carry on puting addons until the problem reocurre.

Wen that happan you know that the conflict is with one of the addons from the last group you moved, take that group of addons out and then put them back one at the time, (make sure you write or memorice the addons in the group that you are moving) cheking if the bug is back after each instalation, if after instaling an addon the bug is back, you know that there is a conflict and you know with what addon it conflict, so please let us know.

I hope this helps, and excuse my bad Englis, but I am in a bit of a rush.

Regards.

@CERO.

[Baphomet 0]

Either way, an addon is not worth reinstalling windows. In my opinion if an addon's functionality is contingent on what hardware you have, notwithstanding the actual working performance issues. There's something wrong with the addon.

Furthermore. I doubt it'd "lag" on my new computer, but that's a relative term. If it lags on a mid range computer it means it's going to start to put a high end computer through it's paces in instances when normally it wouldn't be an issue. Which... just kinda sucks. In my opinion at least.

It was like that ZIL truck addon that was released a while back... and yeah it didn't "lag" on a mid range computer as long as it was standing still on desert island and that was the only thing placed down. However that wasn't practical.

[ruff 102]

well i guess thats what a price to pay for nice addons

take hyk soldiers for instance they lag more than this but we live to play with it

have u even tried this addon?

and if u dont like it then theres no point of u being in this thread if all ur gonna do is bag the addon and no constructive criticism

for me this is one of the best addons

no one has ever done anyhting like this

all random textures and model special

[CanadianTerror 0]

I notice no lag on my Athalon 800.

Not exactly top end eh.

hyk soldiers...well those lag I find.

[Baphomet 0]

Quote[/b] ]well i guess thats what a price to pay for nice addons

take hyk soldiers for instance they lag more than this but we live to play with it

have u even tried this addon?

and if u dont like it then theres no point of u being in this thread if all ur gonna do is bag the addon and no constructive criticism

for me this is one of the best addons

no one has ever done anyhting like this

all random textures and model special

Live to play with lag when it's not necessary?  

... sacrilege.

I really don't understand that mindset. At all. The logic completely escapes me. I'd take modest detail and a good framerate versus slowdown any day. Very few addonmakers these days take that into consideration.

I'd say, BAS did to an extent with their brdm/scud pack. Which was awesome. Philcommando generally creates good addons with a sensible balance of detail and performance. Vilas has to an extent with some of his addons. I can't really think of many other people who release things that are reasonably detailed these days.

Partly I blame individuals who are trying to use the OFP addon community as a stepladder to get into game development (to look more professional). Partly I blame eyecandy addicts/artists who in my opinion completely miss the point of OFP, either that or they have no appreciation for framerate whatsoever.

All of these have essentially reduced many addons to me as passing curiousities because I can't really use them for anything. Not without resenting the fact that valuabe frames per second are being robbed by insignificant details. In an intense firefight involving a lot of units. I don't have time to pay attention to minute details.

That's just me however. Furthermore, I'm not "bagging" anything. I like the idea of the addon. It looks nice, but I'm being practical and honest in my opinion on it at this point. If the addonmaker has a problem with what I have to say, I'm certain he can tell me so. To be honest I don't think he'd care or be so thin-skinned as to get upset over it.

[CanadianTerror 0]

Have you even tried the pack out?  

It doesnt sound like it, it just sounds like all this ranting and raving is coming from someone who is

Quote[/b] ]who in my opinion completely miss the point of OFP

when it comes to constructive critisism for a beta release by a new addon maker.

[Pappy Boyington 0]

OFP without lag? william gates doesnt have a PC strong enough to support a "lag free" OFP.

and some of you rich smucks   may go and brag about your 500fps   butplay missions liek battlefeilds or some vietnam mission.. when the shells come crashing down or the machine guns open up your FPS will drop dramticly. the differnce is for some of us thats a 20 to 10 drop and others a 90 to 80 drop. its still lag.

if OFP didnt lag for me i would seriously think something was wrong.  for awhile my game booted up with no inital error messages... and that freaked me out since i played OFP for about 4 years now and its ALWAYS had error messages.  course i gotem back again and i feel safe in knowing my game works  

i gotta love the comment about us modders "using the community" as our step ladder.  thats right bud. i spent hours upon hours upon hours of making the Y2K3 and USCG mods (with help from others of course ) just so that i could get BIS to pay me a lousy $500 a month for making uber l337 addons for thier next game.

did i apply for a job with BIS? yes (and no i didnt get it )

was that my orginal intention? hell no. i got sick of default crap. i got sick of seeing all these addons and none of them seriously being used. i did modding cuz i wanted something else. i released it cuz i wanted to share the joy that i had playing with them. and the "great mod!" comments every once in awhile lift the spirts and make what you do all worth it    

but i cant possibly conceive any OFP modder.. aspiring or experinced get into addon making just to "Get a job in game development". not only is that absurd, but an insult to those of us that utilize what very little time we have to make addons and mods for the wonderful people here that ofer comments and constructive critisum for future modders and addon makers.... to say that we are "only doing it for the (hope of) money". that is rude, iggnorant, insulting, and if i could id reach thru the moniter and punch you right in the nose  

now this young man (if i messed your gender i applogise) took his time away from work and school and time with his freinds and significant other just to make some half decent opposing force units that werent country or race specific. which i commend him on that. since in light of real world incidents and movies ive seen with russians as the allies in whatever battle the movie is about... i wouldnt mind seeing the russians as a good guy now and again.. but id rather not shoot at US troops either. and this young man felt the same way. and he set out to make some opfor units to fill the "Generic badguy" gap. and when he proposed the idea i said thats exactly what we need... but after release i see now that not only can they be bad guys.. but they make a decent "resistance" force too. not like res replacments.. but like missions where you have civilian help.. but not paramilitary soldiers in uniforms. a dude in blue jeans and a hat with a gun. and the whole random model/clothing thing? my god that is an amazing advancment. granted it might not be anything "new" but the utilization of it is just mind blowing that someone could put that much genious into making a single addon.

and until you can bust your ass.. slaving over a computer for hours on end.. to make something that you, yourself, will rarely be able to enjoy due to time constraints.. or worse.. "your next project" takes your play time away... and until you know what its like to make models and textures and scripts and configs... then dont come here and tell this young man that he is doing it wrong...

having said that if you do know what its like.. or have some idea on how its done.. then ofer your suggestions on how to solve the problem.

because i can sit here and bitch and moan that my feet are cold all night long.. but until i realize i should put socks on.. the bitching and moaning are pointless. dont ofer critisum until you have an an answer (or suggestion) on how to solve the problem.

thats my post-reply and im stickin to it

PS: id like to think that my comments to the maker of the generic opfor about his addon here would make up for my mostly off topic reply.. but it too is part of my reply.

[@cero 0]

Either way, an addon is not worth reinstalling windows. In my opinion if an addon's functionality is contingent on what hardware you have, notwithstanding the actual working performance issues. There's something wrong with the addon.

lol, I haven't reinstaled windows for that reason, lol lol lol and again lol

I had a major problem with this baby, had to replace RAM, hard drive and I was lukey my moder board and graphics wasn't affected. That's what happan when you mains power is down with your PC switched on, when it come back it can frie something, and hell it did big time, so I had to expend some usefool money to replace parts instead of using it to upgrade.

Now I have a mains power back up so it won't happan again.

About this addon, I could say is the best thing sense sliced bred, if you haven't tried, or if you hade it but got off it because of a cuple of bugs or any other issue, don't be a fool to your self, now it works for me, now it gives me an oportunity to create missions that before would requiere at list 20 megas of other downloads, and is like everything else, if it lag, be sensible when you use it, like I used to do when InQuisitor released the first version of his weapons pack with JPG textures, I was on a 600 MHz PC with inbuild graphics and playing OFP was a nightmare, but I was able to play by changing the settings to a playable standard.

I wasn't able to have three squads loaded with InQuisitors weapons, but for small scale mission it was excelent.

This pack is ideal for any kind of missions, and I'm allready working on some stuff, cos you know what, there is no better addon out there to use for an SAS campaign than this, you can use them as OPFOR, SAS, or whatever.

Don't let a bug in an addon like this put you off. If you think about it, it could be worse, really really worse, and I can guaranty you that other addons will come out, addons that you will really love to play with, and they'll have bugs, and you'll think, what the hell, I still can use them.

Now, every one here cool down, this is getting a bit out of topic

Regards.

@CERO.

[Baphomet 0]

Quote[/b] ]be sensible when you use it,

Unfortunately. When I run OFP on newer hardware I'm not thinking: "Wow now OFP can look like raven shield". Actually, my thoughts could be translated to a voice in my head that screams: "GIGANTIC  BATTLES! Hundreds of entities onscreen! Only now with less lag because my PC is better.". Any addon that gives me some variety to my missions that also facilitates that desire to make OFP bigger and better, is a useful addon to me. In my opinion any addon that requires more than sensible restraint is an addon that I won't find conforms to my ideal OFP experience. So who knows. If I can ever get the damn addon to work, I want to try it. As it stands it locks up both my PCs before OFP even runs. But yes. I agree they're a great idea. I like how they look. But... if they don't fit the criteria needed for my missions, it's just... fancy artwork.

Quote[/b] ]and some of you rich smucks   may go and brag about your 500fps   butplay missions liek battlefeilds or some vietnam mission.. when the shells come crashing down or the machine guns open up your FPS will drop dramticly. the differnce is for some of us thats a 20 to 10 drop and others a 90 to 80 drop. its still lag.

That kind of lag is justified, it's associated with gameplay. There is nothing in my mind that justifies lag induced simply by an addon with too many polys/high res textures not doing anything special. That's what I'm getting at. What then when you DO play a mission with a lot of things going on at once? Even more lag. All lag is not created equal. If you lose a few frames because there's a lot happening on screen at once, that's just the nature of games. It's when you have that frame loss on top of frame loss which results in really annoying choppy gameplay that you -know- could be avoided if certain things about the detail of the addon were changed. Like the addon as I might. It's just for me, in the end performance wins out, every time. Personally I think it's absurd that there are people out there who may think that by increasing the graphical detail OFP can somehow compete on the same level as newer software. The only way I see that ever happening is if the source code was released and people could program things that... actually made a real difference to how the game is played.

to me it just seems like the addon community is obsessed with keeping ofp gameplay from advancing at the cost of making it look nicer, which just to me seems horribly shallow to me. It's not about having no lag. It's all about getting the absolute best performance out of the game whilst keeping a sensible mindset towards aesthetics. Function over form... that's how I see it. The changes in the end user community however seem to indicate an espousal of other values. Which is a pity.

Quote[/b] ]not only is that absurd, but an insult to those of us that utilize what very little time we have to make addons and mods for the wonderful people here that ofer comments and constructive critisum for future modders and addon makers.... to say that we are "only doing it for the (hope of) money". that is rude, iggnorant, insulting, and if i could id reach thru the moniter and punch you right in the nose

Furthermore, I disagree, and calm down. Individuals who have made mods for other games in the past -have- been picked up by professional companies because of their work done in the end user community. You cannot deny that. Furthermore you also cannot deny that many modders of all types of game would aspire to achieve something like that. Which is my point. Unfortunately their mods can seem to become less a functional game in my opinion and more a bid to create something for their portfolio.

Should I be unconditionally grateful they're even making something even if it's not useful to me? No. If It's not useful to me I have nothing to be particularly happy about. You can be insulted all you like. I haven't been insulting, If questioning the functionality of an addon is an insult perhaps you need to step back and re-evaluate why you're involved in OFP addon editing. It seems like a lot of excessive and completely unmerited pride has manifested itself in this community.

At any rate. I've expressed my mindset which is sensible, in a sensible manner.

[ruff 102]

it functions for some

if u dont like it y u still here

u havent even gave one constructive criticism and just said

"i dont like the addon because it lags"

the game is 4 years old "big battles" on no matter what pc u play this game its gonna lag

your not saying anything constructive

why did u have to post?

why?

and your saying your not bagginf the addon wen u say

" I agree they're a great idea. I like how they look. But... if they don't fit the criteria needed for my missions, it's just... fancy artwork."

no one has done changing textures on units on this scale

the closest ones are numbers on planes and choppers

and again y u still here?

u dont like it u said it, then go away if ur not saying anything constructive

and why do we have hear ur opinion wen theres nothing constructive about it

"addon community is obsessed with keeping ofp gameplay from advancing at the cost of making it look nicer, which just to me seems horribly shallow to me"

u just bagged the whole community!!!!!!!

shallow!!!!!!!!! wat makes u so righteous

have even contributed?

and how in hell are u gonna make ofp better than it is?? tell me mod that really changed gameplay???

none

they break game limitations on "graphics" scale

colonel click made the first gun boat with more turrets but that didnt enhance ofp gameplay overall

fdf mode abit

but still all the same freaken gameplay

the only reason why ofp id so good coz of its addons and mission editor

[ruff 102]

newiy for the sake of it

good work

[CanadianTerror 0]

OK, I think everyone made their opinions known.

I think this can go back ontopic now right?

[Pappy Boyington 0]

Quote[/b] ]not only is that absurd, but an insult to those of us that utilize what very little time we have to make addons and mods for the wonderful people here that ofer comments and constructive critisum for future modders and addon makers.... to say that we are "only doing it for the (hope of) money". that is rude, iggnorant, insulting, and if i could id reach thru the moniter and punch you right in the nose

Furthermore, I disagree, and calm down. Individuals who have made mods for other games in the past -have- been picked up by professional companies because of their work done in the end user community. You cannot deny that. Furthermore you also cannot deny that many modders of all types of game would aspire to achieve something like that. Which is my point. Unfortunately their mods can seem to become less a functional game in my opinion and more a bid to create something for their portfolio.

yea klink and suchy and others have been PICKED by BIS.. but not a single one of them spent the 20+ hours it takes to install O2 with the mind set "im gonna be a modding genious and BIS will hire me!"

and yes many modders "aspire" to become an employ of a game company... but you know what? i aspire to become a rich sumbitch but you dont see me charging Y2K3ers $20 a download do you?

seriously.. youre gonna sit there and proscute people for what they aspire to be rather then what they acomplished along the way?

have you check some other websites latly? where OFP mods and addons.. that are about 1/3 the quality of this addon are being sold for 15 to 50 euros. and here is this one that is 20x better then that for free!

your right im not helping bring this topic back on-topic and i applogise for that. i know the mods will be furious here... but theres times when someone is being iggnorant and you sit there and shake your head.... and then there is times when someone is not only being iggnorant...rude... but insulting to the people here that spend thier time making these "laggy" addons to keep this game alive. name one other game with this much community dedication to keeping an achent game alive? gr and rs has modders yes.. and so does bf42 but none of them have the dedication that the OFP modders have.

and having said that... none of them would put up with your BS either. and yes i am angry... cuz you struck a nerve on this one. profiling every modder in the OFP community as only doing it in hopes that we get paid for it someday. you know some of us arent as narrow minded as you and some of us do it for the pure satisfaction you get when doing something for someone else

ok ok im done with my rant. this topic can get back on the subject of the units here. (which might i add ofer NO lag dispite the ravings as some people) and i look foreward to a mission using these units. they are the perfect unit to be used as the enemy or as an allied force (resistance) and come to think of it. im gonna go play around with them and satisfy this overwhelming male urge to kill mame and destroy right now

[Placebo 29]

OK, I think everyone made their opinions known.

I think this can go back ontopic now right?

I agree 100%, drop it and get back to the topic please people, if you don't like the addon don't use it, has been said a thousand times over the years

[redface 1]

About this addon, I could say is the best thing sense sliced bred, if you haven't tried, or if you hade it but got off it because of a cuple of bugs or any other issue, don't be a fool to your self, now it works for me

it took me some time to get it to work too, OFP freezed at first, but in fact it is very simple:

you need the texture .pbo from the first release and the units .pbo from the fix. I loaded Suchey marines extra out of superstition ...

and I made a quick demo mission for these very interesting units

[Baphomet 0]

OFP freezed at first? At what point for you and for what duration? I'd like to know out of curiousity why this addon causes that for me and what might be causing it.

[redface 1]

hmm, don't get me wrong:

when my OFP freezed on these units, it freezed forever, irreversible (you might want to start up ofp in -window mode so that you can close ofp down in the taskbar if necessary)

the problem was solved when I correctly added the second .pbo file from the first release. and I loaded the Suchey marines because I had read so somewhere in this chaotic thread. I don't know if it is necessary.

[-HUNTER- 1]

great pack but I would love a large pack with lots of different insurgents and well "ragheads"...

There have been 2 wars now involving middle eastern individuals, and well I still see ppl with pale white faces, not even a tan....

Dont get meh wrong for as long as it takes these are my new favorite opfor! Also the guys in 6tone desert are now acting as Iraqi SF with AK101's!

[@cero 0]

maybe sooner than you think., but that's another topic.

About the faces, there is a midle east face pack, but I don't know where I got it from.

Maybe someone knows in here.

Regards.

@CERO.

[Tomislav 0]

is newiy still here?