pogingwapo 0 Posted November 22, 2004 This is quite a long time ago but I would like to know what really is the German tank destroyer portrayed in Episode 4 of Band of Brothers wherein the tank destroyer blasted the fragile Shermans and Cromwell tanks of the Allies as they approached the barn. It looked like a Jagdpanther but it seems to be so small. What really is that tank? I also remember seeing a half-track with a cannon turret. Could anyone please post a picture of that modified half-track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonno 0 Posted November 22, 2004 Sturmtiger? with a short stubby main gun? but I'd only say the main gun was shorter (smaller), not the actual hull. Or a Stug, not looking so much like a Jagdpanther, alot lower in profile, or a Hetzer? No I don't know alot about WWII German armour (it's not my thing), I just happen to have a big fat book on the subject. Oh and iv not seen that episode anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colossus 2 Posted November 22, 2004 Jagdpanther Sturmtiger Jagdtiger Elefant I guess it was a Jagdpanther. I think it was, I have to see the episode again. Here is a list over german tanks. Not all links has pics PS: Is it the episode where they are in a small town? If so, I think the tank you are talking about was a Tiger. Aaah, why did they have to build so many tanks?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badgerboy 0 Posted November 22, 2004 Remember, getting perfect replicas of those tanks can be hard. Sometimes they are scaled down, purely for cost reasons as they are based on another chassis. Why did they build so many tanks? Becuase they are cool! Can't beat a King Tiger in a tank fight! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DracoPaladore 0 Posted November 22, 2004 Remember, getting perfect replicas of those tanks can be hard. Sometimes they are scaled down, purely for cost reasons as they are based on another chassis.Why did they build so many tanks? Becuase they are cool! Can't beat a King Tiger in a tank fight! I think the case of the movie is that they couldn't find any tigers or tanks to represent. So instead they took another tank(forget which one) and weld the turret to look like one. Since the shot was short and most people who watch this don't know what some of these tanks look like. I wish I had the link, but I remember there was a small web page on this, actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted November 22, 2004 The halftrack with an AT gun on it is a Sdkfz. 251/22 (a german halftrack with a Pak. 40 AT gun) If I remember correctly, the Sdkfz. 251/22 has only been adopted in December 1944, but it appears in B.o.B. in early september 1944 at the occasion of the Market Garden episod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpongeBob 0 Posted November 22, 2004 What's with the bucket on the front right bumper? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DracoPaladore 0 Posted November 22, 2004 The halftrack with an AT gun on it is a Sdkfz. 251/22 (a german halftrack with a Pak. 40 AT gun)[imghttp://klub.chip.pl/krzemek/galeria/251-22_30.jpg[/img] http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/stewart251a.jpg[/img http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/stewart251i.jpg[/img If I remember correctly, the Sdkfz. 251/22 has only been adopted in December 1944, but it appears in B.o.B. in early september 1944 at the occasion of the Market Garden episod. I think he refers to the tank that was hidden behind the houses. I think it might have been a tiger, but it looked too big for a halftrack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted November 22, 2004 I also remember seeing a half-track with a cannon turret. Could anyone please post a picture of that modified half-track. Read, it sometimes helps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gadger 0 Posted November 22, 2004 The tank in question was a Sturmgeschütz IIRC, most probably a Ausf A-E / Sd.Kfz. 142. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DracoPaladore 0 Posted November 22, 2004 I also remember seeing a half-track with a cannon turret. Could anyone please post a picture of that modified half-track. Read, it sometimes helps. Didn't shee dat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nickless 0 Posted November 22, 2004 Got you pics, directly from the DVD: So actually, there seem to be more different tanks in that episode, first picture seems to be a Jagdpanther, second and third show some kind of Sturmgeschütz, probably a Sturmgeschütz III, Assführung E or F, then there are several halftracks, one of them with the AT gun, another howitzer and the tank hiding behind the barn, which seems to be some kind of Tiger to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted November 22, 2004 All were built on either Comet, FV432 or T-34 chassis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputnik monroe 102 Posted November 23, 2004 I can bet you about %95 of them are mock ups, any tigers are definitely %100 mock ups. There are very few surviving WWII German tanks that aren't in museums. As a matter of fact there is only one working Tiger in the entire world. It is the property of the really big time Panzer museum in Germany. The Tiger in Saving Private Ryan and other recent movies is actually a mock up made on a T34 Chassis. I think it's pretty good looking, you have to pay attention to see it's not authentic. I think it's a little sad they messed up a T34 (anopther WWII tank) for it though. Fortunetly there are few working T34s left today. Â Â Â Â It think it is great though the mock ups in movies in the past few years. It's far better than the war movies of old where they just painted the iron cross on a Chaffee or Patton and called it a Tiger. Â Â I can tell you that the tank in the top picture is a definite Jagdpanther, which was a tank destroyer built on a Panzer V Panther chassis. Â Â The vehicle in the in the front of the colum in the fifth picture appears to be a Marder III. If it's not then my next best guess is that it's a Wespe. The Marder III was built on the chassis of captured Panzer 38's. The Panzer 38 was a tank that the Germans captured hundreds of when they took Chezchslovokia. (<-I always misspell that) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ares1978 0 Posted November 23, 2004 All were built on either Comet, FV432 or T-34 chassis. Â I found a few sources claiming that some were built on T-54 chassis as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jezz 0 Posted November 23, 2004 the comet would be the best to base the tiger on with the exception of the overlapping suspension as both chassis look resonably similar from a distance it even has a similarly placed hull mounted machine gun, it would just need a new turret or modifications to the orignal one its a pity britain didnt develop the comet eariler as it would have been a good match for the tiger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPQR 0 Posted November 23, 2004 Nice pics nickless Either builts on Comet or T-54 chassis, the replicas rock a lot For exemple, the SdkFz 251/22 with the PaK40 has the right unit symbol for a motorized AT unit (even if they were present in the Panzer Division 45's combined arms armor regiment, and in the anti-tank bataillon). The Auf M Marder III's great too. It really changes from the so-called Tigers of the nutty "Battle of Ardennes" or the strange Panther ? Tiger ? built from a Leopard 1 in the excellent "A bridge too far" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jezz 0 Posted November 23, 2004 Quote[/b] ]or the strange Panther ? Tiger ? built from a Leopard 1 in the excellent "A bridge too far" atleast it was german so partly right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonno 0 Posted November 23, 2004 Bovington Tank Museum in the UK have had a Tiger for a while which has since been restored to a working state. http://www.tiger-tank.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
