USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[froggyluv 2135]

Of course, why pray tell?

[pviera11 10]

Of course, why pray tell?

Ok so you support a democracy, i hate a democracy, on these forums today, we could argue for 10 years, and never see eye to eye. Nothing will have been achieved expect for time wasted. But grabbing a gun, shooting the other guy, killing off his ideology, so yours can take power achieves more then being peaceful.

So now you see why i would rather take up arms, then go to some stupid tea party rally, why i dislike the government, and why i would never get along with them. I dislike socialists, communists, globalists, and the NWO, we would never be peaceful to each other because we would never agree, i want them dead, and they want people like me dead. Its simple.

[froggyluv 2135]

Ok so you support a democracy, i hate a democracy, on these forums today, we could argue for 10 years, and never see eye to eye. Nothing will have been achieved expect for time wasted. But grabbing a gun, shooting the other guy, killing off his ideology, so yours can take power achieves more then being peaceful.

So now you see why i would rather take up arms, then go to some stupid tea party rally, why i dislike the government, and why i would never get along with them. I dislike socialists, communists, globalists, and the NWO, we would never be peaceful to each other because we would never agree, i want them dead, and they want people like me dead. Its simple.

Thats a frightening mindset. So you'd rather take a gun and shoot those (including us forum posters) then discuss and debate your ideas. So then why do you come here at all?

Its a shame that you think everyone that disagrees with you actually wants you dead -i've disagreed with you and yet wish you a happy healthy life :)

[pviera11 10]

Thats a frightening mindset. So you'd rather take a gun and shoot those (including us forum posters) then discuss and debate your ideas. So then why do you come here at all?

Its a shame that you think everyone that disagrees with you actually wants you dead -i've disagreed with you and yet wish you a happy healthy life :)

I want a war with the socialists, communists, globalists, and the NWO, if you support one of them then i would be at war with you. Not everyone you disagree with does, but when your threatening a organizations power or a governments power they want that threat removed. They can do it many ways for example they started up a Nazi militia to protect the border, it government funded, and militias have sued the government over it. But the media never talks about that. They can easily set up a false attack against the country, and blame it on some make believe militia that they fund, and support, and go to war with militias all over the united states, and make us like like the bad guys, and terrorists, instead of them when they are the most corrupt people in the world, and would take awake all your freedoms to control you. When you threaten their control, you threaten their life's.

[Scrub 0]

Whoa, whoooah there boy! *neigh* Reign it in! lol. Truth with consequences judged by our Constitution is all that is needed. Did someone commit sedition? Let it stand and be investigated instead of allowing someone to say the 'mis-spoke'. Did someone convolute or ignore the law? Judge them fairly, and let the facts lay the punishment. That is all that is needed for our wannabe socialist/global sellout/oppressive government! (though I admit I'll have a gun in my hand as well if it goes much further)

Cheers!

Edited September 8, 2010 by Scrub

[froggyluv 2135]

So your part of a milita and your afraid that the Gov't will set up a mock miltia which will engage in illegal activity, thereby giving the Gov't the excuse to go after yours and other militias? Am I understanding this correctly?

Also you want to war against all Socialist, Communist and Globalists (not sure what they are) Countries? Thats quite a war my friend!

[pviera11 10]

So your part of a milita and your afraid that the Gov't will set up a mock miltia which will engage in illegal activity, thereby giving the Gov't the excuse to go after yours and other militias? Am I understanding this correctly?

Also you want to war against all Socialist, Communist and Globalists (not sure what they are) Countries? Thats quite a war my friend!

No not against countries, against them in my country. Other countries can have any government they want, its none of my business unless if i was living there or if the people asked for help.

I owned, and lead a militia i stepped down from power because the people weren't ready to fight.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

So your part of a milita and your afraid that the Gov't will set up a mock miltia which will engage in illegal activity, thereby giving the Gov't the excuse to go after yours and other militias? Am I understanding this correctly?

That is the way it always went down in history. The foundation of a Socialist state is that all its citizens are uniform and unarmed, which makes for 'change' go down the peoples' throats easier.

Am I saying it is a bad thing? I could be the one shoving down the change, but I'd rather we live in a free society with a free market.

[froggyluv 2135]

That is the way it always went down in history. The foundation of a Socialist state is that all its citizens are uniform and unarmed, which makes for 'change' go down the peoples' throats easier.

Am I saying it is a bad thing? I could be the one shoving down the change, but I'd rather we live in a free society with a free market.

Well I guess anything is possible, but not necessairly probable. I keep hearing people screaming "Socialism! Socialism!" but where is it? You mean Health Care reform? Big whoop, people have been asking for help to be able to see a doctor or lowered pharmaceuticals for decades. Hardly seems "life threatening" to me. Where exactly is this danger that so many militia-types and Tea partyer's are alluding to? Big business regulation? Godamn right, regulate those money grubbin bastards -Enron anybody? Now they were a threat! Shut down California's power over money -thats some scary sh#t!

I dont know. One of my parents (small towner) was an anti-govt type personality; always talking about the Gov't this the Gov't that, yet we lived fruitful normal lives. We even had a family meeting and were asked as children whether we'd rather go to Disneyland or get nuclear fallout suits with a new windfall of money -erhm, ok.....?

I just don't buy it.

[pviera11 10]

That is the way it always went down in history. The foundation of a Socialist state is that all its citizens are uniform and unarmed, which makes for 'change' go down the peoples' throats easier.

Am I saying it is a bad thing? I could be the one shoving down the change, but I'd rather we live in a free society with a free market.

I would love to control the corporations, the government, the world, and the people. I would love to be a dictator, but i wouldn't because i would rather see the world free, where the people can make their own choices.

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Well I guess anything is possible, but not necessairly probable. I keep hearing people screaming "Socialism! Socialism!" but where is it? You mean Health Care reform? Big whoop, people have been asking for help to be able to see a doctor or lowered pharmaceuticals for decades. Hardly seems "life threatening" to me. Where exactly is this danger that so many militia-types and Tea partyer's are alluding to? Big business regulation? Godamn right, regulate those money grubbin bastards -Enron anybody? Now they were a threat! Shut down California's power over money -thats some scary sh#t!

I dont know. One of my parents (small towner) was an anti-govt type personality; always talking about the Gov't this the Gov't that, yet we lived fruitful normal lives. We even had a family meeting and were asked as children whether we'd rather go to Disneyland or get nuclear fallout suits with a new windfall of money -erhm, ok.....?

I just don't buy it.

If you cant see what socialist ideas, and communist ideas they are trying to push through then there is no use to explain it to you, all i would be doing is wasting my breath. You say you want all these money grubbing people gone. Why is it because you are poor, and jealous of them? Because you dislike the difference between the rich and the poor? Any one can be rich we cant stop them from being so if they are evil or good. You just even admitted your self that you don't know anything about socialists, or communists, or globalists, or the NWO. Also you say you support a democracy, whoever supports a democracy supports a socialist system. If you say no, then please go reread about what a democracy really is.

Edited September 8, 2010 by pviera11

[froggyluv 2135]

If you cant see what socialist ideas, and communist ideas they are trying to push through then there is no use to explain it to you, all i would be doing is wasting my breath

Thats what I thought, a cop out. Ya see, if I thought my country was under imminent threat from any angle, i'd raise the sirens and let everyone know with bulletpoint precision. When I ask a Tea Partyer its always "Well if you don't know, your just dumb" type vagueism.

You say you want all these money grubbing people gone. Why is it because you are poor, and jealous of them?

You mean people like Enron, yes i want them either regulated or gone. As far as being poor, quite the contrary. I've built my business from the ground up and get up at 4:40 am every morning to get started -how about you?

Because you dislike the difference between the rich and the poor? Any one can be rich we cant stop them from being so if they are evil or good

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We can stop company's who exploit the masses for a buck by both regulation and legislature. As for everyone else, go for it! Try to be rich!

You just even admitted your self that you don't know anything about socialists, or communists, or globalists, or the NWO

Wrong. I said I don't know what a Globalist is. I'm quite familiar with the other terms -thanks. If you would care to share exactly how they pose a threat to our nation, well I'm all ears then. Oh right, it's a waste of your time....

Also you say you support a democracy, whoever supports a democracy supports a socialist system. If you say no, then please go reread about what a democracy really is.

Yeah, ok. i guess whenever the forefathers said the word Democracy, they really meant smoking stogies with Fidel....and where should I look this up...the Turner Diaries....

[Laertes 10]

If you cant see what socialist ideas, and communist ideas they are trying to push through then there is no use to explain it to you, all i would be doing is wasting my breath. You say you want all these money grubbing people gone. Why is it because you are poor, and jealous of them? Because you dislike the difference between the rich and the poor? Any one can be rich we cant stop them from being so if they are evil or good. You just even admitted your self that you don't know anything about socialists, or communists, or globalists, or the NWO. Also you say you support a democracy, whoever supports a democracy supports a socialist system. If you say no, then please go reread about what a democracy really is.

You do realise that Socialism and Communism are both democratic political systems, don't you?

[pviera11 10]

Thats what I thought, a cop out. Ya see, if I thought my country was under imminent threat from any angle, i'd raise the sirens and let everyone know with bulletpoint precision. When I ask a Tea Partyer its always "Well if you don't know, your just dumb" type vagueism.

You mean people like Enron, yes i want them either regulated or gone. As far as being poor, quite the contrary. I've built my business from the ground up and get up at 4:40 am every morning to get started -how about you?

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We can stop company's who exploit the masses for a buck by both regulation and legislature. As for everyone else, go for it! Try to be rich!

Wrong. I said I don't know what a Globalist is. I'm quite familiar with the other terms -thanks. If you would care to share exactly how they pose a threat to our nation, well I'm all ears then. Oh right, it's a waste of your time....

Yeah, ok. i guess whenever the forefathers said the word Democracy, they really meant smoking stogies with Fidel....and where should I look this up...the Turner Diaries....

I also own a business thank you very much. No, that isn't what they meant at all they explained what a democracy is, and all a democracy is, is a polotical system that converts us from a republic to a democracy, then to a communist state, or a welfare state.

Globalists want one world government, no countries, no borders, no religion, one language, and they are willing to kill 6 billion people for it. Impossible? I think not. They control the armies of the world, and control nukes. World war 3 could easily wipe out 6 billion or close to it.

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You do realise that Socialism and Communism are both democratic political systems, don't you?

Ok a democracy is socialism in a democracy, you are given the illusion of voting someone good in power or someone who could fix your government, but all you are doing is voting in the next leader to hang. Communism can go any other way mostly towards an oligarchy, which some may argue we already are.

Edited September 8, 2010 by pviera11

[froggyluv 2135]

I also own a business thank you very much.

Awesome. Now give props to the country that lets you flourish. It's much harder in other countries, i've tried.

Globalists want one world government, no countries, no borders, no religion, one language, and they are willing to kill 6 billion people from it? Impossible, i think not. They control the armies of the world, and control nukes. World war 3 could easily wipe out 6 billion or close to it.

Oh, you mean like Pres.Bush's New World order? yeah, that was messed up. No religion? sounds commie, thank God our President is religious. One language -hopefully English please! I don't recoginize any of our Government traits in which you've just describe..

[pviera11 10]

Awesome. Now give props to the country that lets you flourish. It's much harder in other countries, i've tried.

Oh, you mean like Pres.Bush's New World order? yeah, that was messed up. No religion? sounds commie, thank God our President is religious. One language -hopefully English please! I don't recoginize any of our Government traits in which you've just describe..

130 bases around the world, were almost stationed in every country. we are ready to go to Iran to start a world war 3, we stick our hand into everywhere where it doesn't belong. Our economy was crashed on purpose so we could replace our currency with the Amero, along with creating a North American Union which will rise out of Nafta, probably as soon as they are down with the Nafta Highways. Do you want me to write out a whole book? How about the advertisement now of RFID chips, how about the Nation ID card they wanted to force onto us, you wouldn't be able to buy or sell without it. and you insult president bush but not obama? Obama is pushing the same old shit as bush was, as someone once said, bush just had an iron fist, obama has an iron first wrapped in velvet, it makes him much more dangerous.

[froggyluv 2135]

130 bases around the world, were almost stationed in every country. we are ready to go to Iran to start a world war 3, we stick our hand into everywhere where it doesn't belong

Completely agree. Although I think i differ in that I don't believe that there are some shadowy figures sitting above the President making all of this happen with spectre puppeteering. Republicans and Democrats friggen hate each other and would never conform under some shadowy overlord. These operations of which you speak transcend any one Presidents authority.

Our economy was crashed on purpose so we could replace our currency with the Amero

Doubtful. Unless Bush Jr was way smarter and possibly sinister than we thought. The Amero is mostly a hot topic in the conspiricists circles.

How about the advertisement now of RFID chips

Now this one is interesting. Apparently the FBI has used these transmitters to track political activists and dissidents. Ok, legitimate concern on this one but I don't forsee these going anywhere as long as you have the ACLU helping you out:D

and you insult president bush but not obama?

Well I didn't insult him until he started that fake war -that pissed me off. Sending in his buddy Ken Lay to help out his Enron buddies didnt make me like him anymore either. Obama, he's ok. Seems genuine and was given a shitty meal to start with. The fact that so many hate him relentlessly without much substance in their complaints makes me suspicious of his detractors.

[pviera11 10]

Completely agree. Although I think i differ in that I don't believe that there are some shadowy figures sitting above the President making all of this happen with spectre puppeteering. Republicans and Democrats friggen hate each other and would never conform under some shadowy overlord. These operations of which you speak transcend any one Presidents authority.

Doubtful. Unless Bush Jr was way smarter and possibly sinister than we thought. The Amero is mostly a hot topic in the conspiricists circles.

Now this one is interesting. Apparently the FBI has used these transmitters to track political activists and dissidents. Ok, legitimate concern on this one but I don't forsee these going anywhere as long as you have the ACLU helping you out:D

Well I didn't insult him until he started that fake war -that pissed me off. Sending in his buddy Ken Lay to help out his Enron buddies didnt make me like him anymore either. Obama, he's ok. Seems genuine and was given a shitty meal to start with. The fact that so many hate him relentlessly without much substance in their complaints makes me suspicious of his detractors.

1. I don't believe that there are some shadowy figures sitting above the President making all of this happen with spectre puppeteering. Republicans and Democrats friggen hate each other and would never conform under some shadowy overlord. These operations of which you speak transcend any one Presidents authority.

Think again, the republicans and democracts go hand in hand, when they are on nationl TV they hate each other, when they are off they love each other, republicans, and democrats are the same, they have one goal, that is one world order. Or a New World Order. Not one person controls the world, try a group of elite control the world. Look at the bilderberg group, that is some of them.

2. Doubtful. Unless Bush Jr was way smarter and possibly sinister than we thought. The Amero is mostly a hot topic in the conspiricists circles.

No, see this is a mistake that americans make all the time presidents are nothing but puppets, they really have no problem, it was senate, congress, and people who own corporations, etc. Who crashed the economy.

Also the Amero is real, and close to replacing our economy, watch it will all get worse during the years, i wish it would happen quickly, so we can start the war but it isn't, its all about waiting and timing, we wait, they wait, its a chess game.

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Completely agree. Although I think i differ in that I don't believe that there are some shadowy figures sitting above the President making all of this happen with spectre puppeteering. Republicans and Democrats friggen hate each other and would never conform under some shadowy overlord. These operations of which you speak transcend any one Presidents authority.

Doubtful. Unless Bush Jr was way smarter and possibly sinister than we thought. The Amero is mostly a hot topic in the conspiricists circles.

Now this one is interesting. Apparently the FBI has used these transmitters to track political activists and dissidents. Ok, legitimate concern on this one but I don't forsee these going anywhere as long as you have the ACLU helping you out:D

Well I didn't insult him until he started that fake war -that pissed me off. Sending in his buddy Ken Lay to help out his Enron buddies didnt make me like him anymore either. Obama, he's ok. Seems genuine and was given a shitty meal to start with. The fact that so many hate him relentlessly without much substance in their complaints makes me suspicious of his detractors.

They also speak about eugenics frequently our government messed around with it in the 40s and 50s, and got caught, everyone thought it was dead until now, it is now back and alive. They even admit themselves, they want to create two human races, one normal which would be us, and one super human race, which would be the ones who control the world.

[Laertes 10]

1. I don't believe that there are some shadowy figures sitting above the President making all of this happen with spectre puppeteering. Republicans and Democrats friggen hate each other and would never conform under some shadowy overlord. These operations of which you speak transcend any one Presidents authority.

Think again, the republicans and democracts go hand in hand, when they are on nationl TV they hate each other, when they are off they love each other, republicans, and democrats are the same, they have one goal, that is one world order. Or a New World Order. Not one person controls the world, try a group of elite control the world. Look at the bilderberg group, that is some of them.

2. Doubtful. Unless Bush Jr was way smarter and possibly sinister than we thought. The Amero is mostly a hot topic in the conspiricists circles.

No, see this is a mistake that americans make all the time presidents are nothing but puppets, they really have no problem, it was senate, congress, and people who own corporations, etc. Who crashed the economy.

Also the Amero is real, and close to replacing our economy, watch it will all get worse during the years, i wish it would happen quickly, so we can start the war but it isn't, its all about waiting and timing, we wait, they wait, its a chess game.

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They also speak about eugenics frequently our government messed around with it in the 40s and 50s, and got caught, everyone thought it was dead until now, it is now back and alive. They even admit themselves, they want to create two human races, one normal which would be us, and one super human race, which would be the ones who control the world.

Dude. You're fucking crazy.

Ok a democracy is socialism in a democracy, you are given the illusion of voting someone good in power or someone who could fix your government, but all you are doing is voting in the next leader to hang.

Okay, the first bit makes no sense, and the second bit is the opinion of a conspiracy nut. That said, I'm not judging.

Communism can go any other way mostly towards an oligarchy, which some may argue we already are.

1. The US has more or less always been an oligarchy. It's a drawback of having a small number of people representing a large number; especially when those in power are typically from a certain section of society. Rightly or wrongly, that's how it is.

2. No it isn't. Communism cannot be an oligarchy. In a society where Communism is achieved, there is no Govt., no ruling class etc, the whole idea is that everybody is equal and everybody works together, rather than working for somebody, be it a corporation or a Government.

Ironically, Communism would suit the needs of lots of these rednecks, if you take away the atheism, they'd love not having a Govt. to interfere with them.

Also, before you answer that Communism can be, and usually is, an oligarchy, no it isn't. USSR/PRC/Cuba, not communist states, aspiring communist states with a distinct totalitarian flair.

Anyway, I'm tired, I'm done. Hopefully it's vaguely coherent.

Edited September 8, 2010 by Laertes

[pviera11 10]

Dude. You're fucking crazy.

Okay, the first bit makes no sense, and the second bit is the opinion of a conspiracy nut. That said, I'm not judging.

1. The US has more or less always been an oligarchy. It's a drawback of having a small number of people representing a large number; especially when those in power are typically from a certain section of society. Rightly or wrongly, that's how it is.

2. No it isn't. Communism cannot be an oligarchy. In a society where Communism is achieved, there is no Govt., no ruling class etc, the whole idea is that everybody is equal and everybody works together, rather than working for somebody, be it a corporation or a Government.

Ironically, Communism would suit the needs of lots of these rednecks, if you take away the atheism, they'd love not having a Govt. to interfere with them.

Also, before you answer that Communism can be, and usually is, an oligarchy, no it isn't. USSR/PRC/Cuba, not communist states, aspiring communist states with a distinct totalitarian flair.

Anyway, I'm tired, I'm done. Hopefully it's vaguely coherent.

LMAO!!!!! You just said in Communism there is no government, but they would end up working for the government? Do you even know what your talking about or do you occasionally blow smoke out of your ass about something you don't know about? When there is a dictator, is he really the only one who has power? No he has people behind him who influenced him, etc.

Also for your first answer were an oligarchy that's how it is, well see how it is in the future, I'm not afraid to fight people like you are. During war i wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger to shoot your ass. And before you say no i wouldn't, Ive already been in a war.

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Dude. You're fucking crazy.

Okay, the first bit makes no sense, and the second bit is the opinion of a conspiracy nut. That said, I'm not judging.

1. The US has more or less always been an oligarchy. It's a drawback of having a small number of people representing a large number; especially when those in power are typically from a certain section of society. Rightly or wrongly, that's how it is.

2. No it isn't. Communism cannot be an oligarchy. In a society where Communism is achieved, there is no Govt., no ruling class etc, the whole idea is that everybody is equal and everybody works together, rather than working for somebody, be it a corporation or a Government.

Ironically, Communism would suit the needs of lots of these rednecks, if you take away the atheism, they'd love not having a Govt. to interfere with them.

Also, before you answer that Communism can be, and usually is, an oligarchy, no it isn't. USSR/PRC/Cuba, not communist states, aspiring communist states with a distinct totalitarian flair.

Anyway, I'm tired, I'm done. Hopefully it's vaguely coherent.

I'm the crazy one? No they are the crazy one, they speak in the open about it, they could scream it into your ear, but you would just shut your eyes, cover your ears, and scream no, no, no. You will be in denial forever, we have a war people like me are the bad ones when we are fighting for freedom. You, and them are the crazy ones, you are the crazy one for not standing up, and raising your voice. When i speak to truth i say no lies, i am not crazy because speak the truth. But anytime someone speaks the truth to you, you are calling them crazy, and right-wing extremists.

Edited September 8, 2010 by pviera11

[Laertes 10]

LMAO!!!!! You just said in Communism there is no government, but they would end up working for the government? Do you even know what your talking about or do you occasionally blow smoke out of your ass about something you don't know about? When there is a dictator, is he really the only one who has power? No he has people behind him who influenced him, etc.

Also for your first answer were an oligarchy that's how it is, well see how it is in the future, I'm not afraid to fight people like you are. During war i wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger to shoot your ass. And before you say no i wouldn't, Ive already been in a war.

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I'm the crazy one? No they are the crazy one, they speak in the open about it, they could scream it into your ear, but you would just shut your eyes, cover your ears, and scream no, no, no. You will be in denial forever, we have a war people like me are the bad ones when we are fighting for freedom. You, and them are the crazy ones, you are the crazy one for not standing up, and raising your voice. When i speak to truth i say no lies, i am not crazy because speak the truth. But anytime someone speaks the truth to you, you are calling them crazy, and right-wing extremists.

Why would you shoot me? I haven't said what my beliefs are. I'm not a Communist, a NWO'er, I'm not even a Socialist.

Besides, I'm not American, so this 'we' doesn't really include me. Thanks though.

[pviera11 10]

Why would you shoot me? I haven't said what my beliefs are. I'm not a Communist, a NWO'er, I'm not even a Socialist.

Besides, I'm not American, so this 'we' doesn't really include me. Thanks though.

Welcome to the global revolution.

[Zipper5 74]

Welcome to the you-are-crazy-and-should-seek-psychological-help revelation. ;)

[pviera11 10]

Welcome to the you-are-crazy-and-should-seek-psychological-help revelation. ;)

Go baaahhhhhhhh like a good sheep. Live in denial and go back to sleep.

[Zipper5 74]

Go back to your sealed-off basement and put your tinfoil hat on, because those aliens are sure to be coming soon with their brain-melting weaponry. And while you're at it, say hi to JFK, Elvis and Michael for me.

I fail to see the relation between conspiracy theorists and American polit- wait...

[pviera11 10]

Go back to your sealed-off basement and put your tinfoil hat on, because those aliens are sure to be coming soon with their brain-melting weaponry. And while you're at it, say hi to JFK, Elvis and Michael for me.

I fail to see the relation between conspiracy theorists and American polit- wait...

So can you come up with reasons why i am crazy? I don't believe in aliens, i don't wear tinfoil hats, i don't watch out for the black helicopters, so how am i crazy? I'm just listing facts that they have said themselves.

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