realism in games jeopardizing natl security

[BoweryBaker 0]

Let's talk about it.  What if that was the case?  What if we were being used as agents to deliver intelligence because we want a realistic game?  Lol.  Most of these spec ops website guys go and keep on making these damn sites about our national security n shit.  How we do all kinds of shit.  Feeding the flame of curiosity.  This is why sci fi games are good.  This military shit, you attract the spooks n shit, be careful.  Talk to me.  Is it really worth it to put such touchy nature about secret shit that could harm us?  Its not to me.  Extraction, the rest of ya'll, quit playing with us, we know you won't make them and we don't want navy seals, the community has spoken.  That other team, we don't want no special forces addons.  Hell no.  Its a matter of national security.  More of you need to join me in this effort of boycotting games that use real life special forces and tactics.  It's a matter of national security.  Lets look out for the ones that look out for us.  Honestly.  Let's do this.   Who's with me?  FORUM TO FORUM WE MUST NOT STOP! It's time to show some patriotism.

[pajama 0]

A little too much use of poop words their m8...

I don't think games depicting or simulating "real word" tactics are of any threat to today's national security. Even if you own a binder full of flight manuels for sims and such, your still are a far cry away from ever having full knowledge of the real thing or situation. I don't know if your using any sarcasm, as smiles missing

So what if the bad dudes knows that the good dudes use 4x Acog sights, tac lights, Knight armerment guards, and a duck tape here and there on their weapons. I hightly doubth that base only on the knowledge of these things and such, well have a negative or the positive outcome in the real quick draw situations.

I'll come back when i can think of more...

[kegetys 2]

Its not like game developers have some sort of secret well of information that only they can access. Things on simulator games are based on informatíon that is public knowledge or what can be assumed to be facts, so anyone could just use the same sources as the game developers are using to gather the same information.

[Heatseeker 0]

Ahh, omg he is right , lets all boycott... the u.s. army for making AA:SF freely available to the terrorists with all those tactics and weapons and training and stuff, what were they thinking? .

[sanctuary 19]

All those "bad guys" everywhere in the world or whatever actually are not needing a videogame using realism to jeopardize any national security.

All of the info you can have from a realism videogame can be found in a very lot of several ways, even including no computer (oh the horror ).

And you can even find more infos with several legal ways than with a videogame.

So you can be sure that nothing secret is showed by a videogame.

Usually secret 'things' are kept secret , else it would not be secret.

CQFD

[ozanzac 0]

He he.

I forget which modules of VBS are for sale to the public in the US via Coalescent, but I beleive that the, U.S. Marine Corps & U.S. Army / National Guard modules are not available to the American public, but are to the rest of the world if bought through Bohemia Interactive Australia!

A kind of American national government insecurity about its own people....Strange, isn't it?

[BoweryBaker 0]

Doesn't ozanzac make you think though?  Ponder THIS if you will....I was posting on the ofpec forum about the special forces.  I wrote in great detail the roles of navy seals and green berets, rangers and delta force.  Now this information cannot be pulled up again, but if you go to ofpec right now, addon ideas, the one about the civillians spec ops, you'll only see rangers and delta force info.  Plus i am not allowed to post in that thread.  Now do you consider it a threat?   Do you know who does?  By the way, my name on there is BronzeEagle.  Kinda makes you think doesn't it?

[pajama 0]

I'm confuse...

Splain more pleas...

[BoweryBaker 0]

civillian spec ops thread created, i posted info on four spec ops teams, returned today and two teams info was missing, suggesting "big brother". Am I angry? No. Is it a normal occurence. No. Government involvement. I presume so.

[ozanzac 0]

Doesn't ozanzac make you think though?  Ponder THIS if you will....I was posting on the ofpec forum about the special forces.  I wrote in great detail the roles of navy seals and green berets, rangers and delta force.  Now this information cannot be pulled up again, but if you go to ofpec right now, addon ideas, the one about the civillians spec ops, you'll only see rangers and delta force info.  Plus i am not allowed to post in that thread.  Now do you consider it a threat?   Do you know who does?  By the way, my name on there is BronzeEagle.  Kinda makes you think doesn't it?

It does make one think, but it should be easy to dismiss 'the gaming community' as a significant threat to anyones national security.

As Kegytys stated, all the relevant information that is pulled to create games, add-ons e.t.c. is pulled from readily available sources, available to anyone who knows where to look and who to ask.

It would probably be a much gloomier world if the military and government kept every single one of its cards close to its chest. With information in the open, the public (for whom the armed forces and government are supposed to protect and work for) are able to keep the armed forces and government in check of what they should and should not purchase, do e.t.c.. The less the public knows, the more dangerous the government probably is. Secrecy is definantly not the best way to operate a democracy.

What I was pointing out in the previous post was the ridiculous extent that those in power will go to in order to hide so called 'sensitive' information from the public. Would I call the VBS American forces add-on modules sensitive in regards to national security? Of course not.

It takes alot more than pixels and button clicks to cause actual physical damage. Just because we have full access to weapons systems in a virtual world, does not mean we would know how to properly operate them against anyone in the real world.

Don't forget....This, and VBS, really are 'just games'. Not much more, not much less. They don't have much of an impact on 'national security', thus I fail to see why the US government and/or Coalescent have to be so uptight about what parts of a game are and aren't allowed into the hands of its own people, and see it not much more than a big joke.

[BoweryBaker 0]

What are your personal thoughts as to why they deleted the information I wrote about Green Berets and Navy Seals?  Whoever they are.

Edit:  I actually know how to spell very well.  It's just that, my typing goes unchecked often.  Perhaps its the government...  Maybe Bush is laughing going "hehehe, that'll teach him to tell me how to run a war on terror."

It's a personal attack.  Maybe one of the moderators did it, but the information is currently back up at eleven fifteen pm arizona time.  I didn't do it.  I guess its safe to say either the government fixed their error, or that whoever is joking around realizes that its gone far enough.  Heh, who'd have known a small prank would start a movement.  On the other hand, this is a discredit to me.  I shrug this off, I am still alive.  Even I have enemies...

[thisismyrifle 0]

Its not like game developers have some sort of secret well of information that only they can access. Things on simulator games are based on informatíon that is public knowledge or what can be assumed to be facts, so anyone could just use the same sources as the game developers are using to gather the same information.

Exactly you can buy the british army training manual as a civi. Any information avaiable to mod makers is avaliable to the public.

[Blake 0]

Probably some games could be risky if some ex-employee of a restricted/secret facility/building provides detailed information of the place but then again such scenario is extremely unlikely.

[theavonlady 2]

I don't see a problem.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

There we are again. The same old american belief that the military and its weaponry is the guarantee for National security.

Let me just remind the world. They used the silly WINDOWS FLIGHT SIMULATOR! And still hit you terribly with a tragic score of 19:3000.  

I would suggest you people stop worrying about shooters too much and learn how to play chess!

Oh BTW: I think Bush must be a terrible chess player!

[Badgerboy 0]

If your posts were 'edited', its usually done by a mod who thinks far too highly of himself, and his 'responsibilities' to the world.

Don't worry about it, some people are far too paranoid, a fear that is fed by the media who like to think that computer games help kids to kill.

[BoweryBaker 0]

Understanding comes from God.  You guys gotta understand.  In old england the last stand was the castle walls when the enemy has the advantage.  Love yourselves, go back in time to your ancient past, rediscover how things were done and stop relying on modern technology for simple problems.  All this expensive radio controled rocket launcher carrying skyplane crap.  This battle is coming to a conclusion....sooner if you learn based off what works.  Those rpgs are your worst enemy though, a modern trebuchet if you ask me.  Now put that parallel into action if you've got connections.

As far as those kidnapped hostages, bloodhounds, duh!  They probably got you there though.  No way you're going to walk through that puppy with a hound and not get bucked at....so get ready, but hey, if you really care you'd do it regardless.  Scuse me whilst I continue my studies...

[Noon416 (OFPEC) 0]

To clarify: No OFPEC staff have modified his post at all, nor would we need to. The information contained therein has been "very public knowledge" for a long time.

If you check out the italics at the bottom of his post, and you'll see "« Last Edit: 03:50 on Fri, 22 Oct 04 by BronzeEagle »"

The only person that has been editing his post is himself a week ago...

I say this now, as this (bizzarrely themed) conversation is starting to turn on OFPEC's staff, when we have in fact done nothing of what is implied/claimed.

[dm 9]

He he.

I forget which modules of VBS are for sale to the public in the US via Coalescent, but I beleive that the, U.S. Marine Corps & U.S. Army / National Guard modules are not available to the American public, but are to the rest of the world if bought through Bohemia Interactive Australia!

A kind of American national government insecurity about its own people....Strange, isn't it?

The modules that are not avialable to the US from Coalescent are also not available to the rest of the world.

As a CT representative has stated, the CT USMC pack is DIFFERENT to the BIA USMC pack.

[BoweryBaker 0]

Well then if it wasn't ofpec, it was the government.  Now lets hope they saw my signature and at least talked about it.  I don't see a better plan out there.  They'd better move too.  Fast.  If you know who sees this, then they may be setting up.  BIS if you see this don't even let them know.  You know who.  I'm serious.  If you got connections, let them know whats on the table that the ofp community has come up with, it doesn't matter who gets the credit....okay it does cuz i need that prize money that comes with it to buy a ....turntables.....and.....blank cd's and...a haircut and.....a beatmachine apc something, and ....no mpc...and.....or of course a position in the white house would do where I can listen to music, make some, and think.

[Badgerboy 0]

To clarify: No OFPEC staff have modified his post at all, nor would we need to. The information contained therein has been "very public knowledge" for a long time.

If you check out the italics at the bottom of his post, and you'll see "« Last Edit: 03:50 on Fri, 22 Oct 04 by BronzeEagle »"

The only person that has been editing his post is himself a week ago...

I say this now, as this (bizzarrely themed) conversation is starting to turn on OFPEC's staff, when we have in fact done nothing of what is implied/claimed.

My reply was in regard to mod's in general, and not directed at the mods in OFPEC.

Of course, the mods here and there are above suspicion!

And Bowerybaker, you seem to be skitting from tangent to tangent! Get some sleep, or lay off the amphetamines!

[Gadger 0]

Well then if it wasn't ofpec, it was the government.  Now lets hope they saw my signature and at least talked about it.  I don't see a better plan out there.  They'd better move too.  Fast.  If you know who sees this, then they may be setting up.  BIS if you see this don't even let them know.  You know who.  I'm serious.  If you got connections, let them know whats on the table that the ofp community has come up with, it doesn't matter who gets the credit....okay it does cuz i need that prize money that comes with it to buy a ....turntables.....and.....blank cd's and...a haircut and.....a beatmachine apc something, and ....no mpc...and.....or of course a position in the white house would do where I can listen to music, make some, and think.

I don't see the purpose of this thread, is it a joke?

[Placebo 29]

As this thread seemed to start and finish with nonsensical nonsense it can be closed

<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>Edited by Eliza Manningham-Buller & Porter J. Goss & Robert S. Mueller, III & Meir Dagan on Oct. 27 2004,15:55</span>