sanctuary 19 Posted September 17, 2004 Despite the form lacks some nuances in the possible choices it is a good idea for a first try of a community census. edit : form completed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted September 17, 2004 I think it's quite clear that cluster 1 is the best one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winters 1 Posted September 17, 2004 I am clusterless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-33ker 0 Posted September 17, 2004 I think it's quite clear that cluster 1 is the best one  You really think so? Quote[/b] ]Warning levels - Above average Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 17, 2004 I am clusterless  Ok, new clustering with the current data. We're looking at four clusters this time. For an explanation of the color values, see: http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....1;st=42 Total averages: The clusters: Cluster 1 - marked as orange in the "Clusters" plot CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGE OF CLUSTER Percent of population: 15.7% Age - Strongly below average. Origin - Mostly Americans. Post Count - Below average Warning levels - Strongly above average Bush - Strongly for. EU superpower - Below average support.. Religious - Sligthly above average. The people in this cluster: Quote[/b] ]MSMS_KDXer Viper200 shinraiden blackdog radkeff Pajama oyman Milkman SgtBarnes billybob2002 General Barron Cluster2 - marked as dark yellow in the "Clusters" plot CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGE OF CLUSTER Non-religious mostly Europeans, strongly against Bush and for the EU as a superpower. Percent of population: 34.3% Age - Above average. Origin - Mostly Europeans. Post Count - Slightly above average. Bush - Strongly against. EU superpower - Strongly for. Religious - Are not religious. The people in this cluster: Quote[/b] ]toadlife Jakerod Tovarish Lt_Phoenix [ZG]BUZZARD Xawery redface walker Balschoiw Ran bn880 Killswitch Joltan denoir SmartDrv[Kyllikki] CosmicCastaway Turms Architekt Gadger MonkeyGoat FW200 Pathy D.murphy man Gollum1 Cluster3 - marked as red in the "Clusters" plot CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGE OF CLUSTER Percent of population: 12.8% People with spiritual beliefs, against Bush and strongly for the EU as a superpower. Age - Above average. Origin - Mixed but mostly Europeans. Post Count - Strongly above average Bush - All against. EU superpower - All for. Religious - All religious. The people in this cluster: Quote[/b] ]Col. Kurtz Schoeler Hellfish6 python3 CrackerJack Radnik Albert Schweitzer Sanctuary Placebo Cluster4 - marked as blue in the "Clusters" plot CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGE OF CLUSTER European dominated cluster, against Bush and against EU as a superpower. Percent of population: 37.1% Age - Below average. Origin - Mostly Europeans. Post Count - Below average. Bush - Strongly against. EU superpower - Strongly against. Religious - Mixed, less religious than average. The people in this cluster: Quote[/b] ]Kopijeger Tymi DeadMeat rudedog Winters da12thMonkey iNeo MunkD fraggit Harnu Llauma R. Gerschwarzenge STGN ozanzac Crazy Ivan KevBaz $33ker EiZei GoOB King Homer der bastler raedor HotShot Status_cz hardrock Ironsight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted September 17, 2004 That is realy awesome... Hell we should do more of this profiling ... More Denoir .... we want more ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted September 17, 2004 Yeah I agree it's quite fascinating Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanctuary 19 Posted September 17, 2004 Yeah I agree it's quite fascinating Indeed, I even have the feeling that if you concentrate enough on those strange graphics/black points/hexagonals lines you can lose an incredible amount of time. On my opinion denoir's paintings are really avant garde. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joltan 0 Posted September 17, 2004 I'm sure he'll write you a recipe if you buy one... Â Anyways, good work. I was really wondering why you had two very similar clusters the last time (the ones that got now merged to cluster 2). This is really interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winters 1 Posted September 17, 2004 On my opinion denoir's paintings are really avant garde. Looks like a Jackson Pollock to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdog~ 0 Posted September 18, 2004 Notice how we like the Addons & Mods forums the most while the Euros like OFFTOPIC political threads... We're doing SOMETHING right... (along with supporting bush) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 18, 2004 Notice how we like the Addons & Mods forums the most while the Euros like OFFTOPIC political threads...We're doing SOMETHING right... (along with supporting bush) Actually, it's not that clear cut. The Americans (that constitute about 20% of the forum population) are split 50/50 on Bush. The pro-Bush side is younger (average age of 18.1 compared to 22.5 forum average) and likes the A&M forums. The anti-Bush are older (average age 25.5) and prefer the OT forum. The Europeans (that constitute about 72% of the forum population) are about 90% against Bush. We are on the other hand split on the EU-superpower question. Again, we have two blocks. The pro-EU military side is older (average age of 24.7) and really like the OT forum. The anti-EU military side is younger (average age of 20.5) and are not at all too fond of the OT forum (they like the A&M forums best). The pro-EU military side dominates 60/40 amongst the Europeans. Another difference is that while a majority is not religious, Americans are on average more religious than Europeans. The minority that is neither European nor American is basically hard-core European. Meaning almost exclusively against Bush and a strong majority for the EU as a superpower. They are however the most religious group. The raw percentages on the two political questions are: Bush For: 11.3% Neutral: 10.2% Against: Â 78.5% EU as a military superpower For: 54.1% Neutral:18.7% Against: 27.2% Edit: A two way clustering: Pay special attention to the "Where are you from" and "Bush or not" clusters. In the "Where are you from", the blue area are Europeans and the red area Americans". In the "Bush or not" cluster plot, red is for Bush and blue is against. You can clearly there see how the Americans are more or less evenly split on the issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted September 19, 2004 Pay special attention to the "Where are you from" and "Bush or not" clusters. In the "Where are you from", the blue area are Europeans and the red area Americans". In the "Bush or not" cluster plot, red is for Bush and blue is against. Interesting, blue vs. red... Anyway, number crunching at its best... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted September 19, 2004 What am I supposed to select under "Where are you from?" And I'm telling you now that I'm lying about my age! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 19, 2004 What am I supposed to select under "Where are you from?" The Mid East belongs to Asia, I suppose. Quote[/b] ]And I'm telling you now that I'm lying about my age! Well, then I would suggest that you don't participate. The whole thing is based on the assumption that people arn't lying. Anyway, I've gotten ~90 replies now, which makes a solid statistical foundation for the forum population. Since the number of new replies have stagnated, I thought that I'd make a final report and officially end this survey. If there is interest, we can design a bigger, better thought-out new survey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-33ker 0 Posted September 19, 2004 If there is interest, we can design a bigger, better thought-out new survey. I think most of us would participate again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 19, 2004 Split previous post in two, for clarity. -------- OK, we'll do three culsters this time. For an explanation of the color values, see: http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....1;st=42 Total averages: The clusters: Cluster 1 - marked as red in the "Clusters" plot CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGE OF CLUSTER Percent of population: 15.4% Age - Strongly above average. (30.8 average) Origin - Europeans - 81%, Americans 19% Post Count - Strongly above average (3469 average) Warning levels - Slightly below average. (0.167) Bush - All against EU superpower - All for. Religious - 50/50 (above forum average) The people in this cluster: Quote[/b] ]CrackerJack denoir Joltan Balschoiw Ran bn880 Albert Schweitzer Placebo Sanctuary walker Schoeler Hellfish6 Cluster 2 - marked as blue in the "Clusters" plot CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGE OF CLUSTER Percent of population: 69.4% Age - Slightly below average. (21.3 average) Origin - Europeans - 80%, Americans 11%, Other 9% Post Count - Below average (746 average) Warning levels - Slightly below average. (0.136) Bush - Strongly against. EU superpower - Slightly for. (Below forum average) Religious - Strongly non-religious. The people in this cluster: Quote[/b] ]FW200 SmartDrv[Kyllikki] Vektorboson Berghoff eisa01 fallchild Ironsight hardrock raedor Radnik da12thMonkey Kopijeger sidhellfire Xawery Pathy D.murphy man Gollum1 $33ker EiZei GoOB DarkLight King Homer der bastker STGN Edge [ZG]BUZZARD Mr Reality Lt_Phoenix radkeff Donnervogel Klotz Ares1978 CosmicCastaway Turms MonkeyGoat MunkD Gadger Tymi KevBaz redface Killswitch andersson iNeo Crazy Ivan R. Gerschwarzenge Llauma Status_cz HotShot Architekt Col. Kurtz ozanzac python3 Harnu fraggit toadlife Tovarish Winters USMC Sniper Jakerod Cluster 3 - marked as yellow in the "Clusters" plot CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGE OF CLUSTER Percent of population: 15.2% Age - Below average. (19 average) Origin - Europeans - 16%, Americans 84% Post Count - Below average (759 average) Warning levels - Above average. (0.429) Bush - Strongly for. (Far above foum average) EU superpower - Slightly against. Religious - Around forum average (mostly not religious) The people in this cluster: Quote[/b] ]kavoven SgtBarnes DeadMeat billybob2002 oyman Milkman Jankyballs blackdog rudedog General Barron Viper200 MSMS_KDXer Pajama shinraiden By category [*]Older members Represent 18% of the forum population. Age - 32.3 average. Origin - Europeans - 80%, Americans 20% Post Count - Above average (1797 average) Warning levels - Sligthly above average. (0.192) Bush - Strongly against. (More against than forum average) EU superpower - Strongly for. Religious - Slightly below forum average. [*]Younger members Represent 51% of the forum population. Age - 17.3 average. Origin - Europeans - 54%, Americans 34%, Other 12% Post Count - Above average (1797 average) Warning levels - Above average. (0.256) Bush - Against. (Less against than forum average) EU superpower - Neutral (Less for than forum average) Religious - Strongly not religious (around forum average) --------------------------------- [*]Americans Represent 22% of the forum population. Age - 20.8 average. Post Count - Slightly above average (1283 average) Warning levels - Above average. (0.30) Bush - Neutral. (Less against than forum average) EU superpower - Neutral (Less for than forum average) Religious - Above forum average (although still mostly not religious) [*]Europeans Represent 71% of the forum population. Age - 22.9 average. Post Count - Forum average. Warning levels - Slightly below average (0.164) Bush - Strongly against. (More than forum average) EU superpower - Mostly for (above forum average) Religious - Strongly not religious. (Less religious than forum average) [*]Others (Asia, Africa, Australia, South America) Represent 7% of the forum population. Age - 19.0 average. Post Count - Below forum average. (739) Warning levels - Strongly below average Bush - All against. EU superpower - Strongly for (above forum average) Religious - Split 50/50 (religious above forum average) ----------------------- [*]For Bush Represent 15% of the forum population. Age - 17.9 average. Origin - Europeans - 20%, Americans 80% Post Count - Below forum average. (790) Warning levels - Strongly above average (0.769) Bush - All for. EU superpower - Neutral. Religious - Slightly more religious than forum average. [*]Neutrals in the Bush question Represent 14% of the forum population. Age - 22.3 average. Origin - Europeans - 80%, Americans 20% Post Count - Strongly below forum average. (457) Warning levels - Strongly below average (0) Bush - All neutral. EU superpower - Mostly Neutral. Religious - Less religious than forum average. [*]Against Bush Represent 71% of the forum population. Age - 23.2 average. Origin - Europeans - 78%, Americans 15%, Other 7% Post Count - Slightly above forum average. (1342) Warning levels - Slightly below average (0.1) Bush - All against. EU superpower - Strongly for. Religious - Around forum average. ------ [*]For EU Superpower Represent 54% of the forum population. Age - 24 average. Origin - Europeans - 80%, Americans 13%, Other 7% Post Count - Slightly above forum average. (1287) Warning levels - Slightly above average (0.22) Bush - Strongly against (more against than forum average) EU superpower - All for Religious - Around forum average. [*]Neutral to EU Superpower Represent 21% of the forum population. Age - 18.8 average. Origin - Europeans - 50%, Americans 44%, Other 6% Post Count - Slightly above forum average. (1287) Warning levels - Above average (0.35) Bush - Mostly against (less against than forum average) EU superpower - All neutral Religious - Less than forum average. [*]Against EU Superpower Represent 25% of the forum population. Age - 21.4 average. Origin - Europeans - 70%, Americans 26%, Other 4% Post Count - Slightly below average. (906) Warning levels - Strongly below average (0) Bush - Mostly against (around forum average) EU superpower - All against Religious - Around forum average. ------ [*]Religious Represent 17.6% of the forum population. Age - 22.5 average. Origin - Europeans - 56%, Americans 31%, Other 13% Post Count - Above forum average. (1672) Warning levels - Below forum average (0.0625) Bush - Strongly against (around forum average) EU superpower - Mostly for (slightly above forum average) Religious - Yes. [*]Not Religious Represent 82.4% of the forum population. Age - 22.2 average. Origin - Europeans - 75%, Americans 22%, Other 3% Post Count - Below forum average. (1007) Warning levels - Slightly above forum average (0.217) Bush - Strongly against (around forum average) EU superpower - Mostly for (slightly below forum average) Religious - No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kavoven 4 Posted September 19, 2004 Nice work, but one question: How do you put people in each group? Because I wonder that I find myself in the pro bush and contra EU SP group, altough I'm in the EU... Or is it just how old you are? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 19, 2004 How do you put people in each group? Because I wonder that I find myself in the pro bush and contra EU SP group, altough I'm in the EU... You voted for Bush and against EU as a superpower, which is characteristic for that cluster. Quote[/b] ]Or is it just how old you are? It's all the 9 parameters - age, where you are from, how long you have been playing ofp, post count, warning level etc etc In your case the I'd say that the dominant parameters were Bush, EU SP, your age and your favourite forum. This places you pretty well in the third cluster. That you are European doesn't matter enough to put you in a different cluster. The clustering is automatically performed by a neural network called a 'self-organizing map'. Given data, it finds clusters by similarity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kavoven 4 Posted September 19, 2004 I voted against bush and for EU SP, perhaps I understood the question wrong way round... Anyway, can you change that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winters 1 Posted September 19, 2004 I think a more detailed census will make for better results, i ended up in a cluster thats below the average age, below the average post count and slightly for EU superpower which is not right at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 20, 2004 I think a more detailed census will make for better results, i ended up in a cluster thats below the average age, below the average post count and slightly for EU superpower which is not right at all. Given three clusters you fell into the right category. The other two choices were the old strongly pro-EU superpower Europeans and the young pro-Bush Americans. Your cluster was by far the largest one and contained basically everything between the other two groups. For instance if I let the neural network cluster it into six different clusters we get this: You then fall into the "orange" cluster and as you can see from the picture it's basically an anti-Bush, anti-EU superpower, non-religious cluster. The cluster next to yours, the puke-green one is for instance an anti-Bush, pro EU superpower, religious culster. And so on. The cluster resolution is not dependant so much on the detail of the survey but simply upon how many clusters you choose. The choice of three clusters was a very rough categorization. What we would get with a bigger and better survey on the other hand is some more interesting, less obvious clusters. I mean we didn't get any revolutionary insights from this mini-survey. @ k@voven Sure no problem. In the three cluster version, you fall now into the big blue cluster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winters 1 Posted September 20, 2004 Perhaps with a more broad census we could first discuss the categories that would be included? For instance politics and religion could definetly be expanded on and maybe some more personal information could be included like marital status and number of children. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted September 21, 2004 The problem is for Denoir the more questions asked greatly increases the work load for him I assume? Would be interesting family questions such as siblings, parents married/divorced, grandparents alive, things like that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted September 21, 2004 nah...lets try to mix political factors with irrelevant stuff. So you could say that the average european, not being religious, prefers dark haired women. Or that the average american being ProBush loves SUVs and thinks smoking is evil! That would be a cool profiling! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
