Us presidential election 2004

[DarkLight 0]

But hes a republican, he does think the world will be better off with Bush

Oh yeah... right... almost forgot!

the whole world is so happy that Bush is the president!

Boy, is that irony that i'm smelling?

[blackdog~ 0]

Also when the republicans start to really bash Kerry's record, whether related to the party or not (Swift Boat Vets and the RNC Speeches) it looks like Kerry is now on a downward spiral of doom and eventual (hopefully) death.

Excellent.

[billybob2002 0]

But hes a republican, he does think the world will be better off with Bush

Oh yeah... right... almost forgot!

the whole world is so happy that Bush is the president!

Boy, is that irony that i'm smelling?

God Damn it!!!!! I have said a billion times I'm not an republican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Democrat

The next day the unemployed Pepe visits the welfare office. The lady at the reception tells him to sit down and asks him what profession he has learned in the past and what his family-circumstances are. She tells him that he will probably not find a good job, but in case he is employed he might get support for the education of his children. She then tells him that he must be careful that he does not take underpaid jobs cause those are often given to hispanic immigrants like him and only make him fall deeper into the loan-trap.

First he is given a list with reliable employers in the region, their telephone numbers and explanation of jobs available. Then Pepe is being told where and how he can get support for the education of his children.

She also adds, "whether you find a well-paid job is up to you and the economy, we can only provide the logistics" ...."but he interupts "all that counts for me is my children "if they are given the same chance to succeed in life like all other children in the US, then I have fullfilled my job as a father".  

"You are definetly right about that she replies. Oh and those 15$ we took for administrational purposes are being used to to put your child in the adequate school list. And you know what 15$ dollars are much cheaper than a life-time prison cell, cause that is where most children end when their parents have no jobs"!

Edited by Albert Schweizer on Sep. 04 2004,17:35

In your dream world!!! A lot of the "urban" cities are run by democrats.... nuff said.

[denoir 0]

IMO a very good analysis by BBC:

Campaign column: Bush's tactical victory [bBC]

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George Bush is a master at disguising the punch.

In 2000, he fooled Al Gore into underestimating his talent as a politician, causing Mr Gore to overreach. This time, he has forced John Kerry to have the wrong conversation with the voters.

When he should have been telling the voters his plan for the future, Mr Kerry has been spending his time talking about the past, believing that Vietnam was the way to establish his credibility. Consequently, when the Republicans raised doubts about Mr Kerry's service in Vietnam last month, he had nothing to fall back on.

Money talk

This gave George Bush an opening at the Republican convention.

He was able to show the breath and width of his experience in office. And in the absence of any detailed picture from Mr Kerry himself, Mr Bush filled in the blanks on Mr Kerry's political record sheet.

He criticised Mr Kerry for a policy of "expanding government", saying that Mr Kerry wanted more than two trillion dollars in new federal spending.

George Bush neatly glossed over the fact that he himself has expanded federal spending by 29% since coming to office and sent the budget plummeting into the red.

The "tax and spend" attack on Mr Kerry works partly because that is what many Americans assume Democrats do, despite the fact that former President Bill Clinton successfully balanced his budget. But it also works because Mr Kerry created the opening for the Republicans to attack.

Morals on show

The Republican convention was a virtuoso display of disciplined message.

Every image and every speaker were carefully choreographed to reinforce in the voters' minds the idea of George Bush as a steadfast, principled, say-what-you-mean-and-mean-what-you-say kind of leader. Not a moment of doubt or hesitation. No mention of the missing weapons of mass destruction. Or the ongoing bloodshed in Iraq, a year after major hostilities were supposed to have ended. Iraq was portrayed as part and parcel of the war of terrorism, and a war of moral necessity, not choice.

The Republican faithful held up banners that read: "A safer world".

Did this mean that Mr Bush had created a safer world? Or was going to create a safer world? It was not clear. And it did not matter. What people saw on TV was the phrase and George Bush. A key difference between John Kerry and George Bush is that Mr Kerry is trying to find a coherent philosophy that fits the world. President Bush has his philosophy and is happy to let the world fit in around it.

Losing momentum

Walking among the party faithful after his speech, the main reason people gave for liking Mr Bush is because they think of him as principled and resolute.

By contrast, they think Mr Kerry is a vacillating flip-flopper. It is a powerful message, which certainly resonates with the party faithful. The unknown question is whether it works for the undecided voters, who may well decide this election.

In these troubling times, will Americans prefer someone as absolutist and unwavering as George Bush? Or will they go for someone with a more nuanced approach? Excellent arguments can be made for both sides. But the first major poll since the Republican convention shows Mr Bush 11 points ahead of Mr Kerry - a huge bounce.

John Kerry is going to work very hard if he is going to push back the Republican momentum of the last month.

It's never simple and obvious, is it? People ask themselves, "How did Hitler come to power? Didn't people see that he's a madman?" Now I'm not saying that Bush is Hitler, but the same principle is at play. Seduction of the masses. The words without proper context are nice. How can "defending the German culture" lead to the mass murder of millions?

"Bullshit", you'll say, "it was obvious before - what about the pre-war mass arrests, the terror against Jews etc?"

And I'll say Bush's "defending the homeland" led to the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, and yet you still support him.

The sad fact is an excessive numeber of people are complete short-sighted idiots that trigger on keywords. "Courage", "Moral", "Principle" all nice words. They don't need to mean shit to the person saying them - it's not important. Give some nice keywords and people go blind.

To the more clear-sighted I can only say: Observe. This is how it happens and yes it is just that easy. People are willing to forget everything as long as they get a likable image presented.

Bush seems like a likable guy. He uses nice keywords. He projects a positive image of America, regardless of what she does. Who cares about the people he killed with the fiasco called the "Iraq war". Who cares about your liberties being removed by things like the "Patriot Act". Who cares about the unbalanced budget? Who cares about the excessive government spending?

As long as all the keywords are in place, everything is peachy.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Blackdog, that's really a very interesting site that you have in your sig.  I've added it to my favourites.

However, the electoral vote count you are showing is for if the election were held today immediately following the RNC.  The site also calculates a projected outcome for election day which, according to trends, shows Kerry defeating Bush 308 to 220.  However, the uncertainty of such projections remains very high.

The site tracks a lot of interesting information like the likely electoral vote tally according to state polls...

Newsweek Poll time!!!!! Bush got a big bounce....

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin....&EDATE=

The important:

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Bush/Cheney Lead Kerry/Edwards 54 to 43 Percent; in a Three-Way Trial Heat,

                 

Bush/Cheney Receive 13-Point Margin Bounce

Bush Approval Rating Rises to 52 Percent; First Time Above 50 Since January;

Majority (53%) Wants to See Him Re-Elected-Highest Since May 2003

27 Percent of Registered Voters Think Bush/Cheney Campaign Is Behind Swift Boat Ads

The stats:

Quote[/b] ]N = 1,008 Registered Voters, 18 and over

    Margin of error: plus or minus 4

    Interviewing dates: September 2-3, 2004

    SAMPLE SIZE/MARGIN OF ERROR FOR TOTAL ADULTS:

    1,188     Total adults (plus or minus 3)

    SAMPLE SIZE/MARGIN OF ERROR FOR REGISTERED VOTERS SUBGROUPS:

    1,008     Registered voters (plus or minus 4)

    505  Thursday interviews (plus or minus 5)

    503  Friday interviews  (plus or minus 5)

    374  Republicans (plus or minus 6)

    303  Democrats (plus or minus 6)

    300  Independents (plus or minus 6)

    476  Men (plus or minus 5)

    532  Women (plus or minus 5)

    112  18-29 (plus or minus 10)

    349  30-49 (plus or minus 6)

    516  50+ (plus or minus 5)

    283  Southern White (plus or minus 7)

    559  Non-Southern White (plus or minus 5)

    144  Non-White (plus or minus 8)

    417  Military households (plus or minus 6)

    578  Non-military households (plus or minus 5)

    310  Republican states (plus or minus 6)

    409  Swing states (plus or minus 6)

    289  Democratic states (plus or minus 7)

    541  Bush/Cheney supporters (plus or minus 5)

    403  Kerry/Edward supporters  (plus or minus 6)

    SAMPLE SIZE/MARGIN OF ERROR FOR SUBGROUPS OF REGISTERED VOTERS

    INTERVIEWED FRIDAY

    187  Republicans (plus or minus 8)

    139  Democrats (plus or minus 9)

    165  Independents (plus or minus 8)

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Who cares about your liberties being removed by things like the "Patriot Act". Who cares about the unbalanced budget? Who cares about the excessive government spending?

Kerry would like to keep the "Patriot Act" (remove a few parts). Furthermore, did Kerry vote "yes" on the act. Lastly, some of Kerry's own "words" are in it. Excessive government spending.... Kerry's proposals=excessive.

Quote[/b] ]"it was obvious before - what about the pre-war mass arrests, the terror against Jews etc?"

I know what you mean!! The muslim citizenship is going revoked, they got to wear something on their coats/jackets to signal that they are muslim, there was a crystal night, and etc. A lot of muslims go to my school (and my last school) are not harassed anyday what so ever because of their faith. They are treated like everybody else. You cannot "compare" the two.

[denoir 0]

I'm not talking about some Jews/Hitler, Muslims/Bush equivalent.

I'm talking about Bush being responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians and you not caring about it.

[llauma 0]

It's not about who voted No on some certain propositions.. It's about what you voted Yes for... But I guess in USA it's usable to make your opponent look bad.

[Bordoy 0]

When is the actual day of voting and counting etc?

[DarkLight 0]

But hes a republican, he does think the world will be better off with Bush

Oh yeah... right... almost forgot!

the whole world is so happy that Bush is the president!

Boy, is that irony that i'm smelling?

God Damn it!!!!! I have said a billion times I'm not an republican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem is that you want to vote for Bush

I don't care if you're a republican or not

[Akira 0]

When is the actual day of voting and counting etc?

November 2nd is the fateful day when the Earth learns its fate.

[Bernadotte 0]

God Damn it!!!!! I have said a billion times I'm not an republican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well you certainly lie like one:

I voted for some democrats during the last election (State/local) in which I was an republican.

You cannot "compare" the two.

Just because you don't know how to compare the 2 intelligently doesn't mean others aren't able to.  

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Just because you don't know how to compare the 2 intelligently doesn't mean others aren't able to.

shut up....  You just mad you are going to lose the bet... I do see were "it" can be compared but I loss my tin fold hat. Do not want to sound like you and others...  

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November 2nd is the fateful day when the Earth learns its fate.

What country have you chosen?

Quote[/b] ]Well you certainly lie like one:

It is called I became an independent after that election (that was two years ago)....  

[Bernadotte 0]

You just mad you are going to lose the bet...

LOL... I'm hardly mad.  If I could up the stakes anymore I would.

Too bad the Bush campaigners don't share your over-confidence.

It ain't over til the fat lady sings, or at least until the presidential debates have happened.  

[seafire6 0]

All I have to say is 4 more years, 4 more years !!!! and to those who don't understand the way of the world as it exists post 9/11 I suggest reading a book called 'The Pentagons New Map'. Don't let the title mislead you its not some militaristic bone head's blatherings, but rather a self professed "liberal" analyst from the Naval war college view and opinion of the US position in the world. Its very interesting and makes sense of much of what we are seeing in the world today. Bush is far from perfect, but at this time we need his vision and style of leadership. Those who have read the book understand the importance of bringing the 'gap' countries into the global community.

[Akira 0]

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What country have you chosen?

Since people like you have not chosen your country but rather a man, I'm thinking I'll be going back to Japan. Maybe on the JET program.

There I will start the new "Lost Generation" as I watch from a far, as asshats like you and Bush send this country into a spiral of amorality under the guise of Christian Fundamentalism. Nothing more Christian than bombing the fuck out of innocent civilians.

I'll watch as you and people like you drag this country down the way of Rome and Napolean.

Then when people smarten up, and learn to actually think for themselves, and realize what the hell has been going on, I'll come back to pick up the pieces of the shattered country you and your NeoCon masters left behind.

Quote[/b] ]and to those who don't understand the way of the world as it exists post 9/11 I suggest reading a book called 'The Pentagons New Map'.

I suggest you think for yourself and quiet reading what you want to "hear".

Quote[/b] ]Don't let the title mislead you its not some militaristic bone head's blatherings, but rather a self professed "liberal" analyst from the Naval war college

Yeah. A bastion of liberalism that Naval War College. Christ...

Quote[/b] ]opinion of the US position in the world. Its very interesting and makes sense of much of what we are seeing in the world today.

That'd be swell if the US lived in a vacuum. But we don't.

Quote[/b] ]Bush is far from perfect, but at this time we need his vision and style of leadership.

Vision? Leadership?

What the hell has he lead? What the hell kind of vision does he have?

Where the hell did you get that load of bullshit? The book?

Quote[/b] ]It is called I became an independent after that election (that was two years ago)....

Riiiiight......

[Bernadotte 0]

...and to those who don't understand the way of the world as it exists post 9/11 I suggest reading a book called 'The Pentagons New Map'.

As if the world was any different before 9/11.

As if the World Trade Center was never attacked before 9/11.

Fear sells.

[blackdog~ 0]

...and to those who don't understand the way of the world as it exists post 9/11 I suggest reading a book called 'The Pentagons New Map'.

As if the world was any different before 9/11.

As if the World Trade Center was never attacked before 9/11.

Fear sells.  

I find this comment very disturbing and extremely offensive.

As if two planes had been flown into two 110 story buildings making them completely collapse in the middle of Manhatten's financial district killing over 1000 people has ever been done before.

<span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>NO, IT HASN'T</span>

http://www.skfriends.com/-wtc/wtc-plane2-crash2-orig.jpg <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Might be 'disturbing'... depicts the second plane crashing into the WTC</span>

I'd ask for an apology, but I'm afraid I wouldn't be accept it.

[blackdog~ 0]

There I will start the new "Lost Generation" as I watch from a far, as asshats like you and Bush send this country into a spiral of amorality under the guise of Christian Fundamentalism. Nothing more Christian than bombing the fuck out of innocent civilians.

One word.

"Flamebaiting"

[Akira 0]

There I will start the new "Lost Generation" as I watch from a far, as asshats like you and Bush send this country into a spiral of amorality under the guise of Christian Fundamentalism. Nothing more Christian than bombing the fuck out of innocent civilians.

One word.

"Flamebaiting"

*Yawn*

Flamebaiting? Maybe the truth.

Maybe you are just afraid to face the truth?

[Bernadotte 0]

<span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>NO, IT HASN'T</span>

<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>So what?</span>

From an IRC chat log dated 18 Aug 2001:

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American Friend:  So, how long before you think we'll be at war?

Bernadotte:  You're already at war.  You just don't realise it yet.

Just because it was a wake-up call for you, blackdog, doesn't mean it was a wake-up call for everyone.

[blackdog~ 0]

There I will start the new "Lost Generation" as I watch from a far, as asshats like you and Bush send this country into a spiral of amorality under the guise of Christian Fundamentalism. Nothing more Christian than bombing the fuck out of innocent civilians.

One word.

"Flamebaiting"

*Yawn*

Flamebaiting? Maybe the truth.

Maybe you are just afraid to face the truth?

You're also flaming someone directly by saying "asshats like you".

Do you think we try to bomb civillians or what?

I can't say I'm the most religious person around either. The last time I went to Church or even read the bible was when I was 8 or 9.

[blackdog~ 0]

Just because it was a wake-up call for you, blackdog, doesn't mean it was a wake-up call for everyone.

For myself, my family, and everyone else I know it was.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]You're also flaming someone directly by saying "asshats like you".

True. But its hard not to when I watch people wreck the hell out of this country.

Quote[/b] ]Do you think we try to bomb civillians or what?

This has been stated a thousand times...

Do you really think they even care about civilians, when we drop a 1000lb laser guided bomb into the middle of a residential neighborhood and then tell the press "We are trying to minimize civilian casualties."?