Us presidential election 2004

[kerosene 0]

That thing is crap,

For years the Iraqi people had been screaming, in effect: "Oh, my God. Please help me! Please help me! I'm dying!" How could America have answered, "We don't want to get involved"?

It did give that answer, remember that one uprising where all those iraqis dies? I wish the Bush people would just pick a reason for the invasion and stick to it.

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"We must pick our tyrants carefully, keeping in mind not only justice but our practical interests"

If this dicks taking the moral high ground, mabye he should go into detail on the things friendly tyrants do to their people while western governments look the other way.

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recognize your face, I recognize your name. / Your daddy killed for oil, and you did the same." We often hear this "blood for oil" accusation. After the first Gulf War we had Iraqi and Kuwaiti oilfields in our grasp. If our goal was to steal oil, why did we give them back? Are we that stupid?

No A-hole David Gelernter, no ones that stupid, you dont take another nations territory and keep it, its not the 19th century, you use large corporations to ensure that your nation will have the adequete oil supplies from other countries

The racism thing is almost offensive:

"Racism is prejudice or discrimination based on the belief that race is the primary factor determining human traits and abilities. Racism includes the belief that genetic or inherited differences produce the inherent superiority or inferiority of one race over another"

Not the same as disliking peoples political stance at all, I also find myself able to tolerate people with different views to myself.

"Reactionaries recoil from new ideas and try to suppress and defeat them" the guy was just crying about how conservatives, particularly religous conservatives get a bashing. Does he not now what conservative means? Is he suggesting christian conservatives are open to change and new ideas? which ideas, name one new, popular or radical thing in the last 30-40 years they havent opposed.

On a lesser note, British people arent a race in the sense this guy uses the term race, there are five seperate, identifiable groups in Britain.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]That thing is crap,

For years the Iraqi people had been screaming, in effect: "Oh, my God. Please help me! Please help me! I'm dying!" How could America have answered, "We don't want to get involved"?

It did give that answer, remember that one uprising where all those iraqis dies? I wish the Bush people would just pick a reason for the invasion and stick to it.

1. it his opinion not Bush

2. he is saying that we did not wanted to get involved for a long time. We were the biggest kid in the playground and did not want to help. That the iraqi people were asking for help and the US said "no". He asked the question how could the US turn its back on the Iraqi people? Who was going to help them.

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"We must pick our tyrants carefully, keeping in mind not only justice but our practical interests"

If this dicks taking the moral high ground, mabye he should go into detail on the things friendly tyrants do to their people while western governments look the other way.

He saying me must pick the ones carefully because they can really mess us up and the world. For example, if the Saudis became a foe wed., we will be f'ed in certain areas. The nation will almost basically "stop". He basically saying that the US has to walk a very fine rope.

Later....

[walker 0]

Hi all

The key question is: who is fit for command?

Kerry Acts

It is like this there are people who act in an emergency, John Kerry who won the Bronze and Silver Star is one of those people.

Bush Freezes

Then there are people the freeze. It isn't their fault it is just the way they are. George Bush Junior is one of those who freezes.

The evidense is on video

It is there for all to see, he is a commander who is incapable of command. No if buts or maybes, when the chips were down George Bush Junior froze.

It is there indelibly written in video and on the public record in the 10 minutes required no orders for the nations defense. In the 20 minutes of photo call  opportunities; no orders for the nations defense. In the 34 minutes from his first being told: "America is under Attack!" to the last plane plowing into the Pentagon in the Nations Capitol; no orders for the nations defense.

Those of you who saw Band of Brothers will remember in the battle of Foy, it is a real historical event, there was a Lieutenant in charge of Easy Company who does exactly the same as George Bush Junior does on 9/11 he freezes unable to give orders. Those under his command are asking him what should we do all the time lives are being lost as those at the Pentagon were. Luckily in the Battle of Foy there is a commander, Major Winters, above that Lieutenant who orders a replacement Lieutenant in to the battle and the situation is saved.

In the case of the Commander in Chief there is no one above him to replace him. Except the electorate.

Consider it is your own life and lives of your family; your sons and daughters you are placing in the hands of a president who when the Chips are Down cant act. He Freezes. It is there recorded for all to see on video; his mind so terrified he cannot even stand and has to be told to stand up after the book reading.

In a war the USA needs a President who will act. Not one who freezes in abject terror.

In this time of fear the USA needs a Commander in Chief with a proven record under fire.

The USA needs a President to bring hope back to the country the USA needs John F. Kerry.

That hope will come it will come in November when America Elects John F. Kerry as President.

Kind Regards Walker

[Bernadotte 0]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content....sp?pg=1

Quote[/b] ]Bush's Greatness

...blah blah blah...

The left wanted America to watch Saddam stab Iraq to death and do nothing.

bias but what the hell...

"Bias but what the hell?"  

And you were surprised to get a B in Philosophy?

I'm surprised you got that much.

Please read the following quote carefully, Billybob2002, it's the truth and not at all like the article you posted above:

Quote[/b] ]"We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker (Republican!!) has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."

-- US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein on 25 July 1990

Eight days later, Iraq invaded Kuwait.

That's the truth about George Bush Sr watching while Iraq raised the blade against Kuwait.  Done reading it, Billybob?

Ok, now you and seafire6 can run away from it as you usually do.

[IceFire 0]

But if Bush is being elected again the world will no longer dislike only him but set his attitude and actions equal to the opinion of the american people. From 2004 on Bush=America. Full stop.

I work in the investment sector and I already know several german investors that forget about rationality when it comes to putting their money into american private-equity funds, real estate or whatsoever. They read the newspaper and see new insults basically everyday.

I have to work so I have to keep it short. The isolation you see now is not even comparable to what is gonna come if Bush is being reelected. Be prepared to a different attitude in the world when you open your passport and say "I am american".

I hope for your own sake that Kerry is being elected.

I would love to debate all this but I just got off a month temp-ban so I wont.

I will say this, I hope Bush IS re-elected. For the same reasons of this quote.

Yes, then the world will truly know that we do believe in President Bush and his ideals. Foreigners should take heed, we are not a country that they can walk on or abuse. We walk our own path with our own beliefs.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Bush was AWOL when he said he was in Alabama's 187th Air National Guard.

Now people who were there are starting to speak up and say he was never there.

http://www.texansfortruth.com/

Real National Guardsmen who were there and can prove it are saying George Bush Junior did not turn up to serve.

George Bush Junior is without doubt a Vietnam War Dodger just the same as Dodgy Dick Cheney when his nation called there was a streak up their backs that says Yellow.

Kind Regards Walker

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]We walk our own path with our own beliefs.

You stomp over countries in an inacceptable way and kill thousands just for a "guess" and call this the american way that should be promoted ?

Thank you !

I don´t need THAT american way. We already have our own.

YOU should better take your american way and let your own people benefit. Right now you´re moving away from all the ideals the US ever had. No, you´re not moving...your government is sprinting towards a decade of war and pain and suffer and blood.

If Bush gets reelected he will go for Iran.

The other nations on this planet will oppose you. And you will not make friends but opponents. Not only political ones.

And that´s what you think is the american way you want to live and promote.

I´m sorry man. But that is very low.

[Bernadotte 0]

I will say this, I hope Bush IS re-elected. For the same reasons of this quote.

Yes, then the world will truly know that we do believe in President Bush and his ideals.

Don't worry Icefire!  You don't need to re-elect Bush for the world to remain suspicious of America's ideals.  

[blackdog~ 0]

"Hi all"

This bold text makes my post stand out, making it appear as if I haven't posted this before!

John Kerry won medals for very debatable things that may or may not be true. Medals do not mean you get to be the president.

Holy shit walker, I won the Presidential Physical Fitness award in third grade and got a photocopy of Bill Clinton's signature. I guess that makes me qualify to be President huh? Not to mention, I recovered a thousand dollar NOAA weather baloon in the middle of the ocean on a fishing trip and got an NOAA ruler and flashlight! Woopity-friggin-doo, I've served my country now haven't I fellas?

and denoir... you're a Saddam loving eurocommie liberal.

"Kind Regards" blackdog

PS: IceFire you and I are in the same boat.... say something not nice to the democrats and you get banned... they say something not nice to us and we get banned. It's a lose/lose situation!

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]and denoir... you're a Saddam loving eurocommie liberal.

Oh great...level -300...baddabing

[blackdog~ 0]

Declare everybody a Saddam-loving un-patriotic commie liberal and walk away.

Just responding to his invitation :P

[IceFire 0]

LOL!

[Bernadotte 0]

Bush was AWOL when he said he was in Alabama's 187th Air National Guard.

Yes Walker.  Salon.com broke the story last week.

Quote[/b] ]...after receiving unusual permission to transfer to the Alabama Guard from Texas, Bush has produced no evidence he showed up for service for anything other than a dental exam.

[IceFire 0]

Quote[/b] ]...after receiving unusual permission to transfer to the Alabama Guard from Texas, Bush has produced no evidence he showed up for service for anything other than a dental exam.

Dental hygene is important!

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]"Bias but what the hell?"

I'm trying a new way of attack!!! Anyway, kiss your post count good bye.

Quote[/b] ]Oh great...level -300...baddabing  

This is great!!! You run to the defense of Denior and when Denior accuses me of being racist (which is baseless), you shut-up....

Quote[/b] ]Bush was AWOL when he said he was in Alabama's 187th Air National Guard.

I got assignment for you! Look in to the claims about Kerry being a war criminal and maybe even treason...

Quote[/b] ]Eight days later, Iraq invaded Kuwait.

It is called a sucka punch....

[Bernadotte 0]

Declare everybody a Saddam-loving un-patriotic commie liberal and walk away.

Just responding to his invitation :P

[Bernadotte 0]

Quote[/b] ]Eight days later, Iraq invaded Kuwait.

It is called a sucka punch....

C'mon man!!  Now you're just making shit up as you go along.  

At that same meeting, Glaspie had just finished asking Hussein about the Iraqi troop build-up along the Kuwaiti border.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]This is great!!! You run to the defense of Denior and when Denior accuses me of being racist (which is baseless), you shut-up....

I call him friend. I know him for quite a while.

I know what he has written.

But who are you billybob to tell me what I had to do or not ?

I don´t call you a friend.

Denoir needs noone to run for his defense. I´m just disgusted how low some people can be. To be continued...

[walker 0]

Hi all

Ben Barnes apologises for helping George Bush Junior to Dodge the Vietnam War. http://media.greaterdemocracy.org/media/Barnes%20on%20Patriotism.mov

Quote[/b] ] A former senior politician from Texas has told close friends that he recommended George W. Bush for a pilot's slot in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War because he was eager to "collect chits" from an influential political family.

The reported comments by former Texas lieutenant governor Ben Barnes add fuel to a long-running controversy over how Bush got a slot in an outfit known as the "Champagne Unit" because it included so many sons of prominent Texans. Friends said that Barnes had recorded an interview for the CBS program "60 Minutes" that will address the question of whether Bush pulled strings to evade being sent to Vietnam

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60319-2004Sep3.html

George Bush Junior dodged the Vietnam War because like the rest of his chicken hawk NeoConMen cronies he has a big streak of yellow down his back.

Kind Regards Walker

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]I call him friend. I know him for quite a while.

I know what he has written.

But who are you billybob to tell me what I had to do or not ?

I don´t call you a friend.

Denoir needs noone to run for his defense. I´m just disgusted how low some people can be. To be continued...

I find you a hypocrite then. You know Denior does not have no proof that I'm a racist and he tries to go personal. Now, that is really low. I forgot he is your friend.

If this was the 18th century, I would challenge people on this forum to a duel for insulting me.

[IceFire 0]

Just because it isn't the 18th century means you can't challenge someone to a duel.

It's not about "contemporary fashions", it's about honor!

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Just because it isn't the 18th century means you can't challenge someone to a duel.

It's not about "contemporary fashions", it's about honor!

I would like to follow the law...

[Bernadotte 0]

I've just looked at the past week's posts in this thread to see who and how often someone was trying to "shut up" someone else:

shut up

shut up

shut up....

shut-up...

shut-up....

Indeed, there appears to be a pattern.  

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Indeed, there appears to be a pattern.

shut up....

[red oct 2]

Quote[/b] ]I call him friend. I know him for quite a while.

I know what he has written.

But who are you billybob to tell me what I had to do or not ?

I don´t call you a friend.

Denoir needs noone to run for his defense. I´m just disgusted how low some people can be. To be continued...

I find you a hypocrite then. You know Denior does not have no proof that I'm a racist and he tries to go personal. Now, that is really low. I forgot he is your friend.

If this was the 18th century, I would challenge people on this forum to a duel for insulting me.

who said it has to be the 18th century to have a duel? Saddam challenged your hero to a duel, but to nobodies surprise Bush refused (whata chickenshit btw) go on and challenge all the duels, we can hold it at my house. i even have 2 black powder revolvers for the duelest's to use. we can do it 10 paces apart or a quick draw at high noon. or maybe some unorthadox methoods, i have some chainsaws, we can have a American style joust where two duelests ride ontop of my tractors and go at it w/ chainsaws. if the chainsaws are a little to messy i also have sledge hammers, wood spliters, axes, knives, i even have a Scottish Claymore made in Pakistan.... though i would highly recomend the black powder revolver instead