Us presidential election 2004

[Bernadotte 0]

All right Walker, you're on. If Kerry wins, you get my entire post count at the time that the results are called in. If Bush wins, I get your entire post count at the time results are called in. Want to play?

LOL!

Get serious!

Bring it on!!!

As you can see, my postcount is already squared off against Billybob's.  But I'm sure there may be other forum members willing to give you a chance to put your money where your mouth is, Avon.  Who knows?  Someone might even offer you 2:1 odds like I've given Billybob.  So sorry I can't oblige.

And in the words that Michael Moore was chanting while covering the RNC for USA Today:

<span style='font-size:23pt;line-height:100%'>Two More Months!! Two More Months!!</span>  

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]John F. Kerry has offered a fully refundable College Opportunity Tax credit on up to $4,000 of tuition for every year of college

Please put a * because not everybody in the middle class will be offered that credit (like me unless I declare my not depended).

Quote[/b] ]They dare not discuss Iraq and National defense because the war is looking very bad and lots people have died and it was all a mistake anyway which George Bush Junior now admits. There was no WMD. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and Al Qaida. And TBA Never, Never, had a plan for the peace, the most important part of any war. They don't want people to be discussing the fact that TBA and the Vietnam War Dodger George Bush Junior went out and found lawyers to say it was OK to torture people and rape little boys and that after it was done they got caught and still the corporate culprits go free.

Please explain Kerry's plan on Iraq.

Quote[/b] ]Like I said to billybob2002 backlash is a b*tch.

How is it backlash? Kerry has been losing the veteran vote for the last couple weeks. Unlike some people in this forum, the american public (not you libs ) do not see Bush behind the curtain.

Quote[/b] ]So if you read again what Kerry said you will maybe notice why he uses the word "mislead". Because that's what Bush did. Bush exaggerated the crisis with lies and unchecked information and massive propaganda that disorted reality in a way that many people were "mislead" into wrong believes. And in such an enviroment and an almost McCarty era hunt for "unpatriotic" people this was only normal.

You are missing the point. He said a couple of months ago that he still vote "YES" knowing what he knows now. If he believes that he was "mislead" why would he still vote "Yes" knowing what he knows now. The facts have not changed what so ever in the last couple of months. He cannot make up his mind.

Quote[/b] ]bragged about his war crimes

I know what you mean when he was talking about those Iraqis he met in the oval office.

Quote[/b] ]compared his crimes with the liberation of Europe

I know!! Saddam was not a evil "leader" who has tried to invade a another country. Oppressed a minority (/majoirty). Had a secert police to terrorize the public in to good Saddam-lovers. Had torture chambers to basically kill folks just for fun. I must say the public (iraqis) really loved him because almost all of them voted for him.

[billybob2002 0]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....cid=716

Quote[/b] ]

Economy Adds 144,000 Jobs in August

40 minutes ago

By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - America's payrolls picked up in August, with the economy adding 144,000 jobs, slightly less than economists were forecasting and highlighting the slow and uneven recovery in the labor market that jobseekers have braved.

The unemployment rate dipped to 5.4 percent last month from 5.5 percent in July. But the drop in the jobless rate in August came as people left the work force for any number of reasons, the Labor Department (news - web sites) reported Friday. Economists were predicting the jobless rate to hold steady in August.

The gain in payrolls was short of the 150,000 net jobs that economists were calling for. However, it represented the biggest jobs gain since May and marked the 12th month in a row that payrolls grew.

Job gains for July were revised up to 73,000, still a lackluster number but an improvement from the 32,000 advance first estimated. Payrolls for June also were revised up to show a larger gain than first reported.

The latest snapshot of the jobs climate comes just two months before the presidential election. President Bush (news - web sites), who hurried back to the campaign trail after accepting the Republican party's nomination for a second term Thursday, and his Democratic rival, John Kerry (news - web sites), joust frequently over the health of the economy and the availability of jobs.

Bush says his tax cuts have helped the economy rebound and that making those tax cuts permanent will spur more job creation. Kerry contends Bush's policies benefit the wealthy, squeeze the middle class and aren't producing significant job growth.

The economy has lost 913,000 jobs since Bush took office.

The payrolls figure and the unemployment rate can sometimes go in different directions because they are derived from two separate statistical surveys.

The unemployment rate is calculated from a survey of around 60,000 households in which people are asked to state whether they have jobs or are looking for work. The unemployment rate in August fell as the labor force shrank by 152,000 from the previous month.

The survey used to calculate the payroll figure — seen as a better barometer of the labor market's health by many economist — is based on information from about 160,000 businesses and government agencies, covering roughly 400,000 individual work sites.

The Labor Department said that Hurricane Charley, which tore through Florida on Aug. 13 — the week both surveys were conducted — had no discernible impact on the numbers.

Federal Reserve (news - web sites) Chairman Alan Greenspan (news - web sites) had said that the economy hit a "soft patch" in June. However, he and his Fed colleagues expressed confidence last month that economic activity would pick up.

In August retail and automobile sales came in sluggish, consumer confidence dropped and manufacturing activity grew at a slower pace.

The Federal Reserve, in a bid to keep inflation from becoming a problem, boosted short-term interest rates twice this year. That has left a key rate controlled by the Fed at 1.50 percent, still low by historical standards. The Fed's next meeting is Sept. 21. Some economists believe the Fed will push rates by another one-quarter percentage point at that time.

Economists want to see at least 200,000 net jobs added a month on a consistent basis before declaring the labor market fully healed.

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[Donnervogel 0]

Quote[/b] ]You are missing the point. He said a couple of months ago that he still vote "YES" knowing what he knows now.

yeah I must have missed that. Source? (had a quick look at the last 4 pages and didn't find that information.)

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]yeah I must have missed that. Source? (had a quick look at the last 4 pages and didn't find that information.)

Should be on the news sites.... go to yahoo and search for.... Kerry Iraq yes

[Donnervogel 0]

Quote[/b] ]yeah I must have missed that. Source? (had a quick look at the last 4 pages and didn't find that information.)

Should be on the news sites.... go to yahoo and search for.... Kerry Iraq yes

I only get a bunch of news telling the opposite. It would help if I had an estimated date or something. Because there are about 1400 results.

[DarkLight 0]

Quote[/b] ]Why would I get info. from a website that also critize the fearless leader. I'm trying to make this thread a "fair and balanced" one... this thread should not be Kerry, future presient, thread 2004

ROFL!

First of all this thread isn't the kerry future president thread 2004 at all...

And if you think it is, then you might wonder why pretty much our whole damn planet doesn't want Bush to have power again. Just think about it for 5 fucking seconds and you might realize that he has given america not much more than problems and hatred...

Personally i think the whole world should be allowed to vote for the next american president. (i don't believe that i'm saying this but i am dead serious)

Bush has done enough damage to the rest of the world already. He can do with his own country what he wants, after all, he IS the president.... But at least let him stay in his own damn country. If he wants to mind the whole damn world's business or if he thinks that he can make whatever decisions while the rest of the world can't, then the rest of the world should elect the president... I sometimes get the idea that he is the president of the world...

I don't like Kerry either, i dunno why... There's something about him that i don't like...

And yet i still think he's better than Bush.

Think about it, isn't it weird that soooo much money is being spend on militairy instead of on your own ppl? Isn't it strange that in the last 4 years ppl all over the world have lost their respect for America?

I don't understand how a sane person could vote for Bush... goddamn i get so pissed off when i even think about it that he might just be the next president... again...

I swear if this guy gets elected i'll fly to Washington to protest against him...

pfff this world is so strange

When i grow up i'm gonna live on some other planet far far away... no worries... no presidents... no war...

ps: btw, Bush's speeches are funny as hell... one of those can sure make my day... i just hope not too much ppl believe everything he says...

oh well...

we all die one day

natural death

or a bomb

who gives a damn anyway

well i sure as hell do

and i don't want MY kids to live in some fucked up world...

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]Courage, Honor and Moral Fiber

It comes down to some basic concepts that should be in every candidate for Commander in Chief, Courage, Honor and Moral Fiber.

Yes, and military service doesn't prove that. Witness ole Dick Nixon.

Quote[/b] ]John F. Kerry has offered a fully refundable College Opportunity Tax credit on up to $4,000 of tuition for every year of college and offered aid to states that keep tuitions down.

Right. And just how will Slightly Scratched Kerry fund this? With raised taxes.

Quote[/b] ]Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and Al Qaida.

Did you even bother to read the 9/11 Report? Even a few parts of it? There was an Iraq-Al Qaeda connection, there was no specific connection between Iraq and 9/11 but there were meetings between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Quote[/b] ]They dare not discuss health because so many don't have any health insurance any longer

And one of the main reasons insurance is rising because of voluntary acts. Why should people pay more taxes so that other people can eat Pringles all day and then have cheaper care for the resulting health problems?

Quote[/b] ]All that venom and evil John F. Kerry has weathered stoically as any true hero does showing bags of Courage, Honor and Moral Fiber to spare.

OK, let's check this for a second. Bush weathers hundreds of vicious ads protraying him as Hitler 2.0 and says nothing. Slightly Scratched Kerry gets hit by three ads and immediately starts demanding that the ads are taken off of the air. He's showing bags full of censorship as far as I can tell.

Quote[/b] ]Then don't want us to discuss the rising poverty in America with approximately 35.8 million people living below the poverty line in 2003 that was a rise on of 1.3 million on the previous year

And a huge percentage ( AFAIK it's about 1/3 ) of those 35.8 million are still extremely young, as in late teens or early twenties. You know, those shitty jobs that you have when you're in high school or college.

Quote[/b] ]to con the people of California out of billions of dollars.

So Gray Davis's bumbling had nothing to do with the energy crisis?

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]I only get a bunch of news telling the opposite. It would help if I had an estimated date or something. Because there are about 1400 results.

early august... When I get home, I will look for it....

Quote[/b] ]I swear if this guy gets elected i'll fly to Washington to protest against him...

Okay, and I will give you famous tour of Southeast DC and other "areas" of DC when you come....

Quote[/b] ]Think about it, isn't it weird that soooo much money is being spend on militairy instead of on your own ppl?

This "problem" has existed long before Bush entered the door and Kerry, if elected, will be doing the same thing.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Quote[/b] ]And a huge percentage ( AFAIK it's about 1/3 ) of those 35.8 million are still extremely young, as in late teens or early twenties. You know, those shitty jobs that you have when you're in high school or college.

Well you are kicking your own ass there   . So you are saying that students nowadays have less money available to pay their education? Let me just summarise what poverty line means

$9,000 fir a single person and $18,000 for a couple and 2 kids.

This measure is not taken from what you earn but from what you have available for living. Now I must say if an independant student has less than 9000 dollars available per year then he must be a pretty poor bastard.. and how can he achieve to study like that?

If this is realy your youth..well then I might assume that only the rich will be able to survive 4 years of education. And those are called the Republican-elite! No wonder those voters hate us and call us euro-socialists. Seems the term "social" is an insult for them! For us it isnt!

Secondly this poverty line is 12% in the US vs 6% in France (CIA World Factbook). BUT in France they at least socially support people that cant live from what they earn. In the US, once you are below that line... you have reason enough to kill yourself cause noone is gonna help you out of that misery .

Pretty sad standards for a nation that in the past used to help my little country again back on its feets.. dont you think?

But of course the republican press will always interpret it the following way and I can only laugh when I read this statistical castration of facts

yeah sure!

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]to con the people of California out of billions of dollars.

So Gray Davis's bumbling had nothing to do with the energy crisis?

Actaully no, as two energy companies are being tried in California for delibrately shutting down production and lowering output in order to gouge the state and consumers.

CBS

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Denying the Troops a Secret Ballot

Members of the military will be allowed to vote this year by faxing or e-mailing their ballots - after waiving their right to a secret ballot. Beyond this fundamentally undemocratic requirement, the Electronic Transmission Service, as it's known, has far too many problems to make it reliable, starting with the political partisanship of the contractor running it. The Defense Department is making matters worse by withholding basic information about the service, and should suspend it immediately.

The Defense Department is encouraging soldiers to use absentee ballots or fax votes directly to local officials, when possible. But it also provides an alternative: Omega Technologies, a private contractor, will accept soldiers' faxed and e-mailed ballots on a toll-free line, and then send them to the appropriate local elections office. Handling ballots is always sensitive, but especially so when, as in this program, they are not secret. An obvious concern is that votes for a particular candidate could be reported lost in transit, or altered.

Omega Technologies is not an acceptable choice to run the program. Its chief executive, Patricia Williams, has donated $6,600 in this election cycle to the National Republican Congressional Committee, and serves on the committee's Business Advisory Council. And while everything about the conduct of elections should be open to public scrutiny, Omega is far too secretive. In an interview, Ms. Williams refused to say who would handle military votes, and whether they could engage in partisan politics. "I will not allow the public to invade the privacy of the employees of Omega," she said.

The secrecy of ballots could be breached at several points: when they are faxed or e-mailed from the field, when they go through the contractor and when they are received by local officials. The Pentagon has not explained why it is acceptable, or legal, to ask soldiers to waive their right to secret ballots. Laughlin McDonald, director of the Voting Rights Project of the American Civil Liberties Union, says he cannot recall another group of voters being asked to give up such secrecy. It is particularly inappropriate, he says, for soldiers, who are under the direct control of the Defense Department.

Nor is it clear that voting by nonsecret ballots is legal. In Missouri, one of two states that will allow votes to be e-mailed through the Pentagon this year, the Missouri Supreme Court held as early as 1895 that its State Constitution requires that voting be by secret ballot. North Dakota has also approved the use of the e-mail voting system for military personnel; about 20 states will allow them to vote by fax.

The Electronic Transmission Service operates with a lack of transparency that is unacceptable in elections management. The Pentagon is allowing Omega to keep its staffing secret. There are no provisions for parties or candidates to inspect Omega's operations or monitor the transmittal of votes. The Pentagon says the procedures for doing so are an "internal working document," which it refuses to make public, and it does not routinely make public how many ballots pass through the system each year. The Electronic Transmission Service operated in 2000 and 2002, and in earlier elections, but Ms. Williams says Omega did not handle ballots in those years. The Pentagon is refusing to say who did.

The Defense Department has taken a "trust us" attitude. Soldiers have to trust that military higher-ups will not try to learn their political choices and hold it against them, and that local elections officials at home will not reveal those choices. The voters have to trust that no one at the contractor or the Pentagon will make errors, or intentionally alter ballots. In a democracy, matters like these should not have to be taken on faith.

NY Times

[billybob2002 0]

Crap!!! I deleted the bookmark about the Kerry remark... I did post a link way back in early august (or July?) about it.... sorry, Donnervogel

[blackdog~ 0]

I can do better    wait up

Quote[/b] ]Bush or Kerry

I am a WWII vet, 83 years old, fought 6 campaigns against the Krauts from Italy to Berchtesgaden with the 3rd Infantry Division.

I opposed going to war with the Muslims, a job which Bush's father failed to complete. The WMD were never found because they didn't exist. One thousand American soldiers have been KIA, Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" in a big TV extravanganza and the War had just begun! Bush is not a vet. He never fought in a War for his country. He has turned the rest of the World against us and wants another 4 years of the same. He avoided real military service, has created tremendous federal deficits and is interested only in his political future. Our former allies have turned against us. Bush has got to go for the sake of America's future!

I love the way these vets like to sum things up. This nation feels the desperate need to summarise, simplify, wrapping it up and to standardise everything.

In Germany we discuss about tiny percentages in tax changes when it comes to choosing a party... in the US the topics are bigger and more impulsive!

Most vets I know are pro-bush. And I have met a lot of them. Every US Marine that I have ever met in my whole life has been pro-bush. Many, many Army guys I have met are pro-bush. All the people who I know that are in the Military Vehicle hobby are pro-bush.

The National Guard is full of whiners. Watched a thing on the Discovery Times channel and a big guy was whining like a little baby because he missed his family. As if he is the ONLY ONE? And this was on a day-to-day basis. It seems like every time the camera got focused back on him he was whining. Every hour. Like clockwork.

Here's a good look of how it often works here in the US:

Quote[/b] ]The Difference Between a Republican and a Democrat

A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person to make sure he had the means to get there.

The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and got out twenty dollars. He kept $15 for administrative fees and gave the homeless person $5.

(Now you understand the difference between Republicans and a Democrat) - Author Unknown

[billybob2002 0]

http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,692562,00.html

Quote[/b] ]

Campaign 2004: Bush Opens Double-Digit Lead

TIME Poll: Among likely voters, 52% would vote for President George Bush, while 41% would vote for John Kerry and 3% would vote for Ralph Nader

Friday, Sep. 03, 2004

New York: For the first time since the Presidential race became a two person contest last spring, there is a clear leader, the latest TIME poll shows. If the 2004 election for President were held today, 52% of likely voters surveyed would vote for President George W. Bush, 41% would vote for Democratic nominee John Kerry, and 3% would vote for Ralph Nader, according to a new TIME poll conducted from Aug. 31 to Sept. 2. Poll results are available on TIME.com and will appear in the upcoming issue of TIME magazine, on newsstands Monday, Sept. 6.

Most important issues: When asked what they consider are the most important issues, 25% of registered voters cited the economy as the top issue, followed by 24% who cited the war on terrorism as the top issue. The situation in Iraq was rated the top issue by 17% of registered voters, moral values issues such as gay marriage and abortion were the top issue for 16% of respondents, and health care was the most important issue for 11% of respondents.

Bush vs. Kerry:

The economy: 47% trust President Bush more to handle the economy, while 45% trust Kerry.

Health care: 48% trust Senator Kerry to handle health care issues, while 42% trust Bush.

Iraq: 53% trust Bush to handle the situation in Iraq, while 41% trust Kerry.

Terrorism: 57% trust Bush to handle the war on terrorism, while 36% trust Kerry.

Understanding the needs of people: 47% said they trust Kerry to understand the needs of people like themselves, while 44% trusted Bush to understand their needs.

Providing strong leadership: 56% said they trust Bush to provide strong leadership in difficult times, while 37% said they trust Kerry to provide leadership in difficult times.

Tax policy: 49% trust Bush to handle tax policy, while 40% trust Kerry.

Commanding the Armed Forces: 54% said they trust Bush to be commander-in-chief of the armed forces, while 39% said they trust Kerry.

Bush on the Issues:

Iraq: Half (50%) of those surveyed approve of the way President Bush is handling the situation in Iraq, while 46% disapprove. In last week’s TIME poll, 48% approved of the way Bush was handling the situation in Iraq and 48% disapproved.

Terrorism: Almost two thirds (59%) said they approve of how President Bush is handling the war on terrorism, while 38% disapprove. Last week’s TIME poll found 55% approved of Bush’s handling of the war on terrorism, while 40% disapproved.

The Economy: Survey respondents were split on the President’s handling of the economy. Almost half (48%) said the approved of Bush’s handling of the economy, while 48% said the disapproved.

Other results include:

Was U.S. Right Going to War with Iraq? Over half of those surveyed (52%) think the U.S. was right in going to war with Iraq, while 41% think the U.S. was wrong to go to war.

Have the United States’ actions in Iraq made the world safer? Almost half (45%) think the United States’ actions in Iraq have made the world safer, while 45% think the world is more dangerous. In a similar TIME poll taken Aug. 3 – 5, over half (52%) said the world was more dangerous, and 38% said the world was safer.

# # #

Methodology: The TIME Poll was conducted August 31 – September 2 by telephone among a random sample of 1,316 adults, including 1,128 reported registered voters and 926 likely voters. The margin of error for registered voters is +/- 3% points, and +/- 4% points for likely voters. Schulman, Ronca, & Bucuvalas (SRBI) Public Affairs conducted the poll, and more complete results are attached.

Vote Bush or I will lose some of post count...

[Bernadotte 0]

It's hard to believe that the Whitehouse still has posted a press release in which Bush tells an utterly preposterous lie about how he found out about the first 9/11 attack:

Quote[/b] ]I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on.  And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot.  I said, it must have been a horrible accident."

...and from another press release from a month later he said it again:

Quote[/b] ]well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]It's hard to believe that the Whitehouse still has posted a press release in which Bush tells an utterly preposterous lie about how he found out about the first 9/11 attack:

Many people thought that the first plane hit was a horrible accident at first (including Bush).

[Bernadotte 0]

Quote[/b] ]It's hard to believe that the Whitehouse still has posted a press release in which Bush tells an utterly preposterous lie about how he found out about the first 9/11 attack:

I think he is talking about the first plane.

Yes he is.  Are you suggesting that some netcam focused on the Twin Towers just happened to be tuned in outside the classroom when the first plane struck?

 

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Yes he is.  Are you suggesting that some netcam focused on the Twin Towers just happened to be tuned in outside the classroom when the first plane struck?

You mad that you are going to lose the bet. Then how did he find out? I know the answer...lets see if you know.. People say BS during their speech (i.e. Kerry during his speech at the DNC).

[Bernadotte 0]

Then how did he find out?

He first heard about it on the way into the school from Chief of Staff Andrew Card and/or Advisor Karl Rove.

At the time, it was regarded by all to be a tragic accident.

Quote[/b] ]I know the answer...lets see if you know..

In other word, you know and admit that he lied repeatedly in the above press releases.

Yet you have no problem with supporting the guy.  What does that say about your morality?

Many people thought that the first plane hit was a horrible accident at first (including Bush).

In that case, Bush even lied in his address to the nation on the evening of 11 Sept 2001:

Quote[/b] ]Immediately following the first attack, I implemented our government's emergency response plans.

   

[DarkLight 0]

Vote Bush or I will lose some of post count...  

Perhaps you should consider thinking about the rest of the world before you start complaining that you might lose some posts...

[kerosene 0]

But hes a republican, he does think the world will be better off with Bush

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Quote[/b] ]The Difference Between a Republican and a Democrat

A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person to make sure he had the means to get there.

The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and got out twenty dollars. He kept $15 for administrative fees and gave the homeless person $5.

(Now you understand the difference between Republicans and a Democrat) - Author Unknown

Republicans always forget to finish the story. The war in Iraq wasnt over in 3 months, it just started, and so does you story.

republican

the next day the homeless person named Pepe visits the republican at his corporate head office and asks for a job.  The republican tells him to sit down in the waiting room untill it is his turn. But in that waiting room Pepe cant find a space to sit down cause all chairs are being taken. Then half an hour later he is being called into the office of the republican.

"Sit down, my friend, I have a job for you and we will pay you 4$ an hour."

The unemployed answers

"4$ sir? I am happy you are offering me a job but 4$ isnt enough for a living, I mean I can afford to live a poor life myself but I want to help my children getting a good education. with 4$ I cannot do that. Did you forget it took me 20$ only to get here?

The republican man answers

"look my friend, did you see the waiting room? There are lots of people that want your job, the economy is running bad, so I have the choice, and I will chose the cheapest. Either it is you, one of the people out there, or maybe even a little child in china. They are working for only 6 cents an hour. So you are either with me or against me!"

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Democrat

The next day the unemployed Pepe visits the welfare office. The lady at the reception tells him to sit down and asks him what profession he has learned in the past and what his family-circumstances are. She tells him that he will probably not find a good job, but in case he is employed he might get support for the education of his children. She then tells him that he must be careful that he does not take underpaid jobs cause those are often given to hispanic immigrants like him and only make him fall deeper into the loan-trap.

First he is given a list with reliable employers in the region, their telephone numbers and explanation of jobs available. Then Pepe is being told where and how he can get support for the education of his children.

She also adds, "whether you find a well-paid job is up to you and the economy, we can only provide the logistics" ...."but he interupts "all that counts for me is my children "if they are given the same chance to succeed in life like all other children in the US, then I have fullfilled my job as a father".  

"You are definetly right about that she replies. Oh and those 15$ we took for administrational purposes are being used to to put your child in the adequate school list. And you know what 15$ dollars are much cheaper than a life-time prison cell, cause that is where most children end when their parents have no jobs"!

[red oct 2]

Bush has cancled a trip through my humble little town

http://www.starbeacon.com/index.asp?MC=NEWS&NID=1&AID=6179

what a shame, i had some egg's and a nice rock w/ his name on it. but i guess all the "Vote Kerry" sign's and the fact that there would be three mile long lines standing at the unemployment and temp agency's may not have been a good time to make a visit. and of coarse there our other priorities more important than rolling out the red carpet for the village idiot from Crawford Texas, like fixing a street up

[Bernadotte 0]

http://www.electoral-vote.com/ev.png

Blackdog, that's really a very interesting site that you have in your sig.  I've added it to my favourites.

However, the electoral vote count you are showing is for if the election were held today immediately following the RNC.  The site also calculates a projected outcome for election day which, according to trends, shows Kerry defeating Bush 308 to 220.  However, the uncertainty of such projections remains very high.

The site tracks a lot of interesting information like the likely electoral vote tally according to state polls...

And Bush's approval rating according to lots of polls.