Us presidential election 2004

[denoir 0]

[*] The electoral collage should be dumped in favour of a popular vote. When you are voting for the president, you are not voting as New Yorkers or Californians etc, but as Americans.

This is done so that vote is not decided by NYC and California alone. It's a (slight?) re-weighting of states, IMHO not so bad.

California and New York had about 20 million voters together while the total number of voters was over 110 million. So I don't think there is too much of a risk of that.

As you can see, Bush took the popular vote although the urban areas are all more or less pro-Kerry.

[Pathy 0]

the way your system works at the moment, it doesnt matter what happens in the 2 other states that still havent been counted, its Ohio decides who has won....

[Acecombat 0]

CNN shows Ohio with a difference of 2% between bush and kerry. Do you guys think a lawsuit is nearby? Or will Democrats accept defeat once the two minor states are wrapped up by Bush and ohio remains undecided?

[theavonlady 2]

CNN shows Ohio with a difference of 2% between bush and kerry. Do you guys think a lawsuit is nearby?

Did you think they got Edwards simply to fill the VP slot?

[denoir 0]

I think it's quite amusing how FOX and NBC have dug themself into a hole by calling Ohio for Bush.

According to them Bush is at 269 votes, which prevents them from counting in Nevada becuause it would mean that they would announce the winner. So while Nevada is counted and confirmed Bush, they can't use it. At the same time they can't very well retract their Ohio projection because it will make them look bad.

[Pathy 0]

Oh they arent going to let the election go if theres even a small chance of winning it. Expect 3 weeks of lawsuits.

[Acecombat 0]

Denoir just leave FOX out of here

Oh and by the way i just read that on election day its a holiday in many states? So this isnt uniform throughout the country? Why not give one day free to vote to all ?

[Badgerboy 0]

Well I'm sure the Democrats will wait till the very end before conceding. Memories of the 2000 election will guarantee that! Many people say that Gore conceded too quickly.

Edit - Don't worry if Bush gets in though. The American people have a great track record for bumping off their elected leaders, and it'll only take one scandal to get a couple of loons with rifles out and about!

[joltan 0]

[*] The electoral collage should be dumped in favour of a popular vote. When you are voting for the president, you are not voting as New Yorkers or Californians etc, but as Americans.

This is done so that vote is not decided by NYC and California alone. It's a (slight?) re-weighting of states, IMHO not so bad.

What I don't get is why they don't split the electoral college votes based on the state's results? That would keep the weighting of the votes in favour of the smaller states, while really making all votes count, - not just those in the 'swing states'. This would make for much more balanced results. At the moment, if you're living in Texas as a Democrat or in California as a Republican you might just as well stay home on election day.

[Acecombat 0]

[*] The electoral collage should be dumped in favour of a popular vote. When you are voting for the president, you are not voting as New Yorkers or Californians etc, but as Americans.

This is done so that vote is not decided by NYC and California alone. It's a (slight?) re-weighting of states, IMHO not so bad.

What I don't get is why they don't split the electoral college votes based on the state's results? That would keep the weighting of the votes in favour of the smaller states, while really making all votes count, - not just those in the 'swing states'. This would make for much more balanced results. At the moment, if you're living in Texas as a Democrat or in California as a Republican you might just as well stay home on election day.

Exactly what ive been saying , this is stupid at the moment its either 1st place or no place at all.

Quote[/b] ]Edit - Don't worry if Bush gets in though. The American people have a great track record for bumping off their elected leaders, and it'll only take one scandal to get a couple of loons with rifles out and about!

Oh yeah i am not so confident the whole world rallying and the anti-war rallys couldnt smoke bush out and i doubt if any scandal would get him out hes a conservative i doubt if he'd be involved in anything similiar as clinton

[Badgerboy 0]

[*] The electoral collage should be dumped in favour of a popular vote. When you are voting for the president, you are not voting as New Yorkers or Californians etc, but as Americans.

This is done so that vote is not decided by NYC and California alone. It's a (slight?) re-weighting of states, IMHO not so bad.

What I don't get is why they don't split the electoral college votes based on the state's results? That would keep the weighting of the votes in favour of the smaller states, while really making all votes count, - not just those in the 'swing states'. This would make for much more balanced results. At the moment, if you're living in Texas as a Democrat or in California as a Republican you might just as well stay home on election day.

Exactly what ive been saying , this is stupid at the moment its either 1st place or no place at all.  

Quote[/b] ]Edit - Don't worry if Bush gets in though. The American people have a great track record for bumping off their elected leaders, and it'll only take one scandal to get a couple of loons with rifles out and about!

Oh yeah i am not so confident the whole world rallying and the anti-war rallys couldnt smoke bush out and i doubt if any scandal would get him out hes a conservative i doubt if he'd be involved in anything similiar as clinton  

Well the Soviets didn't nuke Kennedy, but he took a round in the head.

So then guys, who going to sign up before the draft is brought in? (Or before Bush declares himself President for life)

[Apollo 0]

And theoreticly ,a cadidate in the USA could win 51% of the ellectoral vote's with a 51% popular in those states won while the other candidate could loose by 49% of the ellectoral vote's by only loosing with 49% in the states lost though winning by 95% in the states he won wich compose 49% ellectoral votes ,or theoreticly a president candidate could loose an ellection while having more than 70% popular vote.

[theavonlady 2]

So, Placebo, the above isn't incitement?

Not that I personally care but I don't see the difference between Gordy's pic and suggestions of assasination.

[Colossus 2]

[*] The electoral collage should be dumped in favour of a popular vote. When you are voting for the president, you are not voting as New Yorkers or Californians etc, but as Americans.

This is done so that vote is not decided by NYC and California alone. It's a (slight?) re-weighting of states, IMHO not so bad.

One person. One vote. Dump the electoral college!

I could agree on that.

In 2000, Al Gore got 50,999,897 votes and Bush 50,456,002 (!)

If it was here, or any other place, Gore would have won.

It's not a good system, belive it or not.

[Badgerboy 0]

So, Placebo, the above isn't incitement?

Not that I personally care but I don't see the difference between Gordy's pic and suggestions of assasination.

Perhaps, but I don't get off by taking out my fustrations on the moderators.

BTW - How can they call the election until all the votes are counted. I thought the law stated that all votes be in before its official. (Or is that just under UK law)

[Colossus 2]

So, Placebo, the above isn't incitement?

Not that I personally care but I don't see the difference between Gordy's pic and suggestions of assasination.

Perhaps, but I don't get off by taking out my fustrations on the moderators.

BTW - How can they call the election until all the votes are counted. I thought the law stated that all votes be in before its official. (Or is that just under UK law)

Well you know, it's a crazy world we live in.

As I said, the system is not good.

[theavonlady 2]

[*] The electoral collage should be dumped in favour of a popular vote. When you are voting for the president, you are not voting as New Yorkers or Californians etc, but as Americans.

This is done so that vote is not decided by NYC and California alone. It's a (slight?) re-weighting of states, IMHO not so bad.

One person. One vote. Dump the electoral college!

I could agree on that.

In 2000, Al Gore got 50,999,897 votes and Bush 50,456,002 (!)

If it was here, or any other place, Gore would have won.

It's not a good system, belive it or not.

That would have been fine with me. Not the candidate but the popular outcome.

[Pathy 0]

Your electoral vote sig gives bush victory....BBC still says its the same as before...

[Placebo 29]

So, Placebo, the above isn't incitement?

People I think talking about assassination attempts while not really flaming/flame baiting in the strictest sense is quite unnecessary.

Yours is the first post since I opened the thread again that doesn't mention the election or the candidates, but I won't ban you on this occasion

People I think talking about assasination attempts while not really flaming/flamebaiting in the strictest sense is quite unnecessary.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Okay... well ... at least we germans can now repeat "no german soldiers in iraq". With Kerry we would have been forced to rethink our decision.

What are the brits gonna do? With Bush being reelected I doubt that Blair will remain in office for another period. The brits are gonna kick him!

[Pathy 0]

Blairs getting the boot no matter who goes into power in the US.....

Well not my vote anyway...trouble is, no really good alternatives....Labour and blair...no way, cons and howard - ditto, lib dems - too wishy washy, UKIP - what a joke, BNP - im not a facist...Green party?

But i cant see Mr Blair getting another term, no matter which one of Bush or Kerry win.

Anyway, this is US elections....

[Messiah 2]

What are the brits gonna do? With Bush being reelected I doubt that Blair will remain in office for another period. The brits are gonna kick him!

what you have to bear in mind, is that while there is alot of controversy surrounding Mr Blair and his actions over the last 4 years, there is simply no other party in the UK that has the potential to succeed Labour in the general election.

Conservatives are preaching to an older generation, when it is the younger, working generation who are making their votes count in the UK

Liberal Democrats are preaching to anyone who will listen, but whilst they have many good agendas and ideas, they have too little political force or prescense to pull off an election win.

Labour will win the next general election, and Mr Blair has already stated he will be running for another term here. Like it or not, the election result in the US will have no influence over here... Blair and his party have been investigated to the ends of the earth over the WMD claims, and they sailed through - he will be in office for another 4 years, unless that is, his heart gives in, or Gordon Brown decides it's his turn and slips something into his cup of tea.

as for the US elections mind... Bush is a clear winner in my eyes, mainly because he appeals to a larger proportion of Americans (no, not calling them stupid or anything). The way the voting works in the US is certainly interesting, and as many have stated puts an unfair advantage with some states as apposed to others.... denoir put it best:

Quote[/b] ]The electoral collage should be dumped in favour of a popular vote. When you are voting for the president, you are not voting as New Yorkers or Californians etc, but as Americans.

that is how its done in most countries, but then again, the constitution is apparently meant to be the 'best example of a democracy' according to the BBC last night - so unless any amendments come around soon, its going to be the same old states voting the same way, and those states with 3 electoral votes only, are still going to play a very very small role in this election - strange world we live in

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

It clearly seems like Bush has won

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]It clearly seems like Bush has won

But Kerry will keep kicking and screaming to the bitter end.

[theavonlady 2]

Quote[/b] ]It clearly seems like Bush has won

But Kerry will keep kicking and screaming to the bitter end.

Even the Doonesbury comic stip, which has been rabidly anti-Bush, gives Kerry a hint: