Us presidential election 2004

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

There is nothing wrong with having an SUV.

FOUR MORE GEARS! FOUR MORE GEARS!

Amen to dat sista!

[Akira 0]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:30)]i'm soooooo scared, Bush is soooooo evil he's gonna put us all to be soldiers and then we'll have to fight his wars You people make me sick.... How the hell can you sleep at night knowing that pricks with such opinions as yours are partly why this country is so partisan

Pricks? PRICKS?

Fuck you dude.

Bush has nothing to alliviate partisan-ness, so don't even give me that BS. As soon as you can punctuate a fucking sentence maybe people will actually listen to you.

[miles teg 1]

But it doesn't matter as he probably doesn't care because he already has his mind made up as do most of the conservatives I've talked to here in Texas.   Its like talking to a brick wall.

Arabs are evil....Muslims are evil.... Christians are good...conservatives are good, liberals are evil... Bush is good....Kerry is evil and is a terrorist lover...  

Bush = Muslim/Terrorist killer/global ass-kicker who will bitch slap anyone who stands in America's way and will secure our fucking oil for our SUV's and to hell with pussy liberal/commie Euro-trash.  

Where do you hear this? I'm not that far away and I never hear things like that. There are obviously a few idiots here and there(most comming from Texas ) but untill recently most of the people I have talked to didnt know who they were going to vote for. They really didn't like the way Bush was headed but didn't trust Kerry. Kerry is seen as a flip floper in Oklahoma, not a liberal terrorist loving tree hugger. I guess ultimatly they voted for Bush because Oklahoma gave him 7 EC votes, but my point is the majority of the people I have talked to said they didnt know who they wanted to vote for.

There is nothing wrong with having an SUV.  

Never said there was anything wrong with having an SUV. But there is something wrong when people with SUV's complain how they have to pay such high gas prices and then agree that we need to control Middle East oil in order to insure low gas prices. The oil is in "other people's countries" and not ours. We need to reduce our dependency. The technology is there to reduce our dependency on foreign oil, but the political will for pushing this is severely lacking.

I've not met too many who were undecided at my University (UTSA). The flip-flop issue is often stated. To that I say that I respect a man who can change his mind when he realizes he was wrong and decides to choose a better path.

Bush seems incapable of changing paths. To me that is disasterous. He is inflexible and seems incapable of trying different tactics in combatting terrorism. Ironically his adminsitration was doing a good job after the invasion of Afghanistan...but then cancelled many of the most effective programs such as the State Department's counter-propaganda programs to fight against Al-Qaeda. Apparently that money went into the invasion of Iraq.

Bush's policies I believe have been disasterous and I am VERY fearful at the dammage he will do to America if he wins...and to be honest I think the election is a done deal because the majority of the electronic voting machines are controlled by Diebold Electronics...a BIG BIG Republican contributor.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[m21man 0]

Bush just won Colorado. Now he just needs to finish with Ohio and New Mexico.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

he's won Florida too

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]We need to reduce our dependency.

Yes, but Kerry voted against drilling in ANWR. The area that the drilling was going to take place in was hardly a pretty piece of land, but Kerry voted against drilling out of those mosquito-infested, muddy flats.

[theavonlady 2]

The technology is there to reduce our dependency on foreign oil, but the political will for pushing this is severely lacking.

This is not accurate.

There are big technological barriers still present in implementing battery, hydrogen and fuel cell technologies, etc.

But the market economy is doing it's own thing. Competition, especially from Japan, is firing up the labs all around the world - no less than the US.

Speaking of SUVs, the first hybrids are coming out and enough people are biting the bait to make this a near-future possibility. Ford's new SUV hybrid (someone look up the name) is a good example. Other auto makers are toiling away to join the competition.

Overall, I agree that Bush is too lax on environmental issues but the US is heading in the right direction no less than the rest of the industrial world. Just be patient for the technologies, trends and standardizations to set in. They will and in a big way.

[miles teg 1]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:30)]i'm soooooo scared, Bush is soooooo evil he's gonna put us all to be soldiers and then we'll have to fight his wars    You people make me sick.... How the hell can you sleep at night knowing that pricks with such opinions as yours are partly why this country is so partisan  

Dude, have you talked to any officers in the US Army? I have. Have you read any of the analysis reports by top Army officials concerning troop levels??? I have. If we invade ANY other countries a draft MUST be done unless recruiters pull of a miracle and con hundreds of thousands of young men and women into joining up or they start recruiting from the prison population in exchange for lower prison terms.

We are stretched VERY VERY VERY thin right now. We're currently using a corporate model in how we're using our military. By that I mean we're using a so called "lean and mean" model. But the fact of the matter is that the lack of boots on the ground = an inability to secure neighborhoods and provide good security.

If we invade Iran, unless we have the support of some kind of strong indigenous rebel force (as in Afghanistan) there is just no way we could sustain such a war. North Korea??? Forget it. There is just no way considering that right now we are already forcing our troops into lengthened tours and into returning to Iraq after only a few months back home.

If you can find me any research showing that we can conduct multiple sustained long term wars then I will happily admit that I was wrong.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Speaking of SUVs, the first hybrids are coming out and enough people are biting the bait to make this a near-future possibility. Ford's new SUV hybrid (someone look up the name) is a good example.

That's actually not true, as the Ford Escape Hybrid (which I drove in Hawaii is like a mini-SUV) demand is beyond their expectations and there is an actual WAITING list for the vehicles.

[General Barron 0]

WooT! Go Bush go!

Ah, and the Dems are already starting to be sore losers again. The Democratic Underground website is good for a laugh at all the stupid conspiracy theories.

Quote[/b] ]something is wrong

Zogby predictied a larger margin...

millions of dollars used to flush out new democratic voters...

hundreds of thousands of new voters turned out... one in 7 voters didn't vote in 2000... most, if not all voted for kerry...

not many "new" votes came out for Bush...

all exit polls showed a larger lead...

what is wrong? why are we not sweeping Bush?

I can smell a conspiracy.

something is odd here.

Ah you silly liberals... can't you accept the fact that most Americans don't share your views?

Things are looking pretty good for Bush!

[Akira 0]

Ah you silly liberals... can't you accept the fact that most Americans don't share your views?

Things are looking pretty good for Bush!

Thanks for your open-mindedness moron

[FSPilot 0]

Looks like Bush has won it. If he wins Ohio (which he probably will) he'll only need 1 more state to make 270.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:30)]i'm soooooo scared, Bush is soooooo evil he's gonna put us all to be soldiers and then we'll have to fight his wars You people make me sick.... How the hell can you sleep at night knowing that pricks with such opinions as yours are partly why this country is so partisan

Dude, have you talked to any officers in the US Army? I have. Have you read any of the analysis reports by top Army officials concerning troop levels??? I have. If we invade ANY other countries a draft MUST be done unless recruiters pull of a miracle and con hundreds of thousands of young men and women into joining up or they start recruiting from the prison population in exchange for lower prison terms.

We are stretched VERY VERY VERY thin right now. We're currently using a corporate model in how we're using our military. By that I mean we're using a so called "lean and mean" model. But the fact of the matter is that the lack of boots on the ground = an inability to secure neighborhoods and provide good security.

If we invade Iran, unless we have the support of some kind of strong indigenous rebel force (as in Afghanistan) there is just no way we could sustain such a war. North Korea??? Forget it. There is just no way considering that right now we are already forcing our troops into lengthened tours and into returning to Iraq after only a few months back home.

If you can find me any research showing that we can conduct multiple sustained long term wars then I will happily admit that I was wrong.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

I was a cadet in NJROTC and quite frankly it doesn't take much to wipe out a countries infastructure and yes I beleive the millitary does get quite a few young people, as in brand new high school graduates. Sure they go through training, but if you wanted to obliterate a country then all you really need to do is systematicly take out C&C as well as logistics and the forces on the ground against you will be so unorganized that they wouldn't even know who what hitting them much-less what was destroying them.

[Akira 0]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:46)]I was a cadet in NJROTC and quite frankly it doesn't take much to wipe out a countries infastructure and yes I beleive the millitary does get quite a few young people, as in brand new high school graduates. Sure they go through training, but if you wanted to obliterate a country then all you really need to do is systematicly take out C&C as well as logistics and the forces on the ground against you will be so unorganized that they wouldn't even know who what hitting them much-less what was destrying them.

Yeah. We knocked out a lot of Iraq's C&C and those insurgents sure seem disorganized and unprepared don't they!

Maybe you should go back to ROTC becuase you obviously didn't learn a damn thing.

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

first of all you mindless slave to european views, we were not fighting insurgents at the begining of the war, insurgents do not need logistics or C&C, they are quite the opposite. What makes insurgent forces differ is their unpredictibility....

[theavonlady 2]

Quote[/b] ]Speaking of SUVs, the first hybrids are coming out and enough people are biting the bait to make this a near-future possibility. Ford's new SUV hybrid (someone look up the name) is a good example.

That's actually not true, as the Ford Escape Hybrid (which I drove in Hawaii is like a mini-SUV) demand is beyond their expectations and there is an actual WAITING list for the vehicles.

That's what I meant by having enough people biting the bait.

And yes, I was referring to the Escape.

[Akira 0]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:52)]first of all you mindless slave to european views, we were not fighting insurgents at the begining of the war, insurgents do not need logistics or C&C, they are quite the opposite. What makes insurgent forces differ is their unpredictibility....

Hey mindless slave....

You obviously missed the reports that the Saddam backers blended into the background and are pushing the insurgency *coughFallujacough*.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Speaking of SUVs, the first hybrids are coming out and enough people are biting the bait to make this a near-future possibility. Ford's new SUV hybrid (someone look up the name) is a good example.

That's actually not true, as the Ford Escape Hybrid (which I drove in Hawaii is like a mini-SUV) demand is beyond their expectations and there is an actual WAITING list for the vehicles.

That's what I meant by having enough people biting the bait.

And yes, I was referring to the Escape.

The Escape is actually a freakin' blast to drive!

[miles teg 1]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:46)]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:30)]i'm soooooo scared, Bush is soooooo evil he's gonna put us all to be soldiers and then we'll have to fight his wars    You people make me sick.... How the hell can you sleep at night knowing that pricks with such opinions as yours are partly why this country is so partisan  

Dude, have you talked to any officers in the US Army?  I have.  Have you read any of the analysis reports by top Army officials concerning troop levels??? I have.    If we invade ANY other countries a draft MUST be done unless recruiters pull of a miracle and con hundreds of thousands of young men and women into joining up or they start recruiting from the prison population in exchange for lower prison terms.  

We are stretched VERY VERY VERY thin right now.  We're currently using a corporate model in how we're using our military.  By that I mean we're using a so called "lean and mean" model.  But the fact of the matter is that the lack of boots on the ground = an inability to secure neighborhoods and provide good security.  

If we invade Iran, unless we have the support of some kind of strong indigenous rebel force (as in Afghanistan) there is just no way we could sustain such a war.    North Korea??? Forget it.  There is just no way considering that right now we are already forcing our troops into  lengthened tours and into returning to Iraq after only a few months back home.

If you can find me any research showing that we can conduct multiple sustained long term wars then I will happily admit that I was wrong.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

I was a cadet in NJROTC and quite frankly it doesn't take much to wipe out a countries infastructure and yes I beleive the millitary does get quite a few young people, as in brand new high school graduates. Sure they go through training, but if you wanted to obliterate a country then all you really need to do is systematicly take out C&C as well as logistics and the forces on the ground against you will be so unorganized that they wouldn't even know who what hitting them much-less what was destrying them.

Obviously they didn't teach you the chapter on counter-insurgency warfare nor did they seem to teach you American History 101. North Vietnam did not have much of an industrial infrastructure...neither does Iraq now...and yet they faught on and in Iraq continue to fight on. Who needs an economic infrastructure when they can get all the weapons and explosives they need from all over the Middle East.

Take some political science coarses concerning unconventional warfare and you'll see the complexity of this type of warfare. Winning a conventional war is EASY for the United States. I agree with you that we can kick ANYONE'S ass (except Russia who would nuke us), but in unconventional warfare, I beg to differ and this is what we face. What they teach STILL in the military is this conventional warfare doctrine which is pure crap. Our military, aside from our Special Operations units, are not trained well for this type of warfare. What we are facing is the same crap as the Israelies are facing in the Palistinian territories... a never-ending circle of violence with no end in sight.

Neither Bush or Kerry has a plan on ending the war on terror but at least Kerry is more willing to bring the Islamic world and Europe to help fight terror.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

so what if they are pushing the insurgency, that has nothing to do with what I just said and instead you are now trying to bash what I say becasue of the large liberal bias that these forums hold.

and I beg to differ but the Escape is a piece of shit to drive...... My Jeep is alot better, and my soon to be BMW X5 will be 100x better than the Escape....

[Akira 0]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:57)]so what if they are pushing the insurgency, that has nothing to do with what I just said and instead you are now trying to bash what I say becasue of the large liberal bias that these forums hold.

I have nothing else to say to you as you are clearly an .....

[Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0]

Sent you a PM Miles.

I have read that most insurgents are typically from Upper/middle class families and that most of the lower/middle class people are more worried about getting their lives back on track than kicking the US out of Iraq. Is there any truth to this?

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:57)]so what if they are pushing the insurgency, that has nothing to do with what I just said and instead you are now trying to bash what I say becasue of the large liberal bias that these forums hold.

I have nothing else to say to you as you are clearly an .....

I clearly am a what? I'm not afraid of the US taking the fight to the middle east.....Let them fight there, let all hell break loose there. Its better that we fight our wars abroad rather than on our own soil. you obviously have not understand what Bush has truly done. If you did you would most likely be kissing his feet right now.

[Akira 0]

@ Nov. 03 2004,07:03)]

@ Nov. 03 2004,06:57)]so what if they are pushing the insurgency, that has nothing to do with what I just said and instead you are now trying to bash what I say becasue of the large liberal bias that these forums hold.

I have nothing else to say to you as you are clearly an .....

I clearly am a what? I'm not afraid of the US taking the fight to the middle east.....Let them fight there, let all hell break loose there. Its better that we fight our wars abroad rather than on our own soil. you obviously have not understand what Bush has truly done. If you did you would most likely be kissing his feet right now.

Why are you still talking?

You've already called us "pricks" which is enough for a PR...are you aiming for more?

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

i never called you pricks