Us presidential election 2004

[shinRaiden 0]

I'm suprised that that this thread has lasted to some 262+ pages, since politics is inherently flame-baiting. Or maybe it's frostbite, as icey wit could induce freezerburn among those that insist on standing n3k1d out in the cold harsh real world.

UK Gaurdian interviews Tom Wolfe

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"Indeed, I was at a similar dinner, listening to the same conversation, and said: 'If all else fails, you can vote for Bush.' People looked at me as if I had just said: 'Oh, I forgot to tell you, I am a child molester.' I would vote for Bush if for no other reason than to be at the airport waving off all the people who say they are going to London if he wins again. Someone has got to stay behind."

Where does it come from, this endorsement of the most conservative administration within living memory? Of this president who champions the right and the rich, who has taken America into the mire of war, and seeks re-election tomorrow? Wolfe's eyes resume the expression of detached Southern elegance.

"I think support for Bush is about not wanting to be led by East-coast pretensions. It is about not wanting to be led by people who are forever trying to force their twisted sense of morality onto us, which is a non-morality. That is constantly done, and there is real resentment. Support for Bush is about resentment in the so-called 'red states' - a confusing term to Guardian readers, I agree - which here means, literally, middle America. I come from one of those states myself, Virginia. It's the same resentment, indeed, as that against your own newspaper when it sent emails targeting individuals in an American county." Wolfe laughs as he chastises. "No one cares to have outsiders or foreigners butting into their affairs. I'm sure that even many of those Iraqis who were cheering the fall of Saddam now object to our being there. As I said, I do not think the excursion is going well."

And John Kerry? "He is a man no one should worry about, because he has no beliefs at all. He is not going to introduce some manic radical plan, because he is poll-driven, and it is therefore impossible to know where or for what he stands."

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So what is it about his liberal neighbours and fellow diners in his adoptive New York that Wolfe cannot abide? "I cannot stand the lock-step among everyone in my particular world. They all do the same thing, without variation. It gets so boring. There is something in me that particularly wants it registered that I am not one of them."

Parting cordially, it seems strange that such an effervescent maverick, such a jester at the court of all power - all vanity, indeed - should so wholeheartedly endorse the power machine behind George Bush. And so an obvious thought occurs: perhaps Wolfe is jester at the court of New York too. Would he really be happier away from New York, out on the plains, in the "red states" where everyone at dinner parties votes for Bush? Wolfe's eyes revert to that mischievous glint, and he allows himself a smile. "I do think," he admits, apparently speaking for himself, his country and his president, "that if you are not having a fight with somebody, then you are not sure whether you are alive when you wake up in the morning."

Meanwhile, the democrats continue to fabricate statements and attributions: AP wire

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Lifelong Republican Richard Bonnet pays attention to politics, so when he found a message on his answering machine from Norman Schwarzkopf saying he was voting for John Kerry this year, he was momentarily stunned.

"I thought I saw Bush down in Florida, with Schwarzkopf standing on the stage next to him," Bonnet, 69, of Howell Township, said Monday. "So I called up the Monmouth County Republican headquarters and they said he was a Bush supporter."

On Sunday, the retired general gave Bush a strong endorsement in Tampa, Fla. Schwarzkopf released a statement Monday saying that the Democratic National Committee was making fraudulent phone calls and demanded that they stop.

"I am supporting President Bush for re-election because he is the candidate who has demonstrated the conviction needed to defeat terrorism," Schwarzkopf said.

The taped phone call ends with a voice saying the ad was paid for by the DNC. Calls to the DNC office in Washington were not immediately returned.

The taped message begins with a man identifying himself as Schwarzkopf.

"In 2000, I voted for George W. Bush, but this year I'm voting for John Kerry." The man goes on to say that Bush took his eye off the ball when it came to finding the people responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks, which killed nearly 700 New Jersey residents.

"John Kerry has a real plan to make our military stronger and to go after terrorists wherever they hide," the man says on the tape. "We need a vote for change, a vote for John Kerry."

Drudge has the following statement:

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TAMPA, FL – Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf today issued the following statement:

"The Democratic National Committee is making fraudulent phone calls claiming that I have endorsed Senator Kerry. Nothing could be further from the truth, and I demand that they stop immediately.

"Senator Kerry opposed the Reagan defense build-up that won the Cold War. Senator Kerry opposed the removal of Saddam Hussein from Kuwait. Senator Kerry proposed billions in intelligence cuts after the first attack on the World Trade Center. Senator Kerry voted against funds to equip our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan with supplies like body armor and ammunition.

"I am supporting President Bush for reelection, because he is the candidate who has demonstrated the conviction needed to defeat terrorism. In contrast to the President's steadfast determination to defeat our enemies, Senator Kerry has a record of weakness that gives me no confidence in his ability to fight and win the War on Terror. His attempt to make up for these deficiencies by falsifying my endorsement only confirms my impression that he is not the man we need to lead our nation."

[shinRaiden 0]

Oh, since I'm notoriously sloppy at posting smilies to indicate when I'm makeing a light-hearted statement, and folks like to explode over ever jot and tittle I quote because they get offended over every little jab on their sanctimonius whited sepulchures of intellectualism, here's some smilies:

Don't freak out, there will be a tomorrow and the day after as well. Relax, have a good night's sleep, go vote, and be happy.

[Acecombat 0]

Bush Has One-Point Lead on Kerry - Reuters Poll

Quote[/b] ]By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) edged into a one-point national lead on Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), and the White House rivals were deadlocked in the key state of Florida on the eve of the presidential election, according to Reuters/Zogby polls released on Monday.

In the final Reuters/Zogby polls before Tuesday's voting, Bush led Kerry 48-47 percent in the three-day national tracking poll, well within the margin of error. Bush and Kerry were deadlocked at 48 percent on Sunday

This one is gonna be a nail biter no need to watch any suspense movies or sport games just watch this , but if Bush wins throw away all those horror movies because your not gonna need'em for another 4 years

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]but if Bush wins throw away all those horror movies because your not gonna need'em for another 4 years

Yes, vee eeevil Republizombies vill break into your homes in zee middle of zee night and eat zee brains right out of your babies. Zen vee will steal your womenfolk and bring zem to zee Dark Lord of Texador as gifts.

Edit - Also, Billybob would get a larger postcount.

[Acecombat 0]

This is where the 2nd amendment (the gun law thingy) comes handy

[Pathy 0]

Meanwhile, the democrats continue to fabricate statements and attributions: AP wire

*ahem* Of course, the Republicans and their candidate George Bush would NEVER EVER mislead the american people now would they.....

(If you have an IQ then you should see where im headed with that statement)

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]he still defends not only that false testimony, but in rejecting the ideal of defending the cause of freedom.

Yeah, he was probably collaborating with the North-Vietnamese during his service! Can't wait for the next claim.

It was his fault that US pulled out of Vietnam, like Nixon (rep.) had nothing to do with it.

[shinRaiden 0]

No, 2nd Amd. doesn't come until much, much later.

What we can expect is that there will be immediate litigation surrounding recounts and probably electronic voting machines. That's where it gets tricky, because all the constitutional provisions have to deal with the assumption that there is usable votes. The usability is what will be contested.

As the charges will significantly include voter fraud, that would cast doubt on a voter's entire ballot, not just their presidential choices. In which case, it could very well be that the congress could determine the election, with the health of Rhenquist in doubt.

But as the entire house of representatives is up for re-election, they wouldn't be elected until the elections are certified, and they won't be certified until the litigation issues are cleared up. So the courts have until mid-January to finish arguing the ballot validity, after which time it would be up to the incumbent govenors and legislators not up for re-election to appoint congress people to then pick a president.

As I said previously, you are not voting just for George Bush, there are many dozens of other positions just as equally vital:

President

Vice-President

Senator

Representative

Govenor

Lt. Govenor

Attorney General

(Other Dept. Sec.'s)

Secretary of State

State Senator

State Legislator

County Executive

County Councilperson

Mayor

Municipal councilmember

Rural Fire Districts

School Boards

Bonds

Levies

Initiatives

Propositions

and more in your area.

All these are critical to make the system work.

[Akira 0]

*More bullshit. Go figure.*

So you avoid answering my questions and proving your accusations, and post mroe crap. Is this the best the supposed head of the GOP office can do? I mean seriously. As the alleged head of the GOP office in Washington state somewhere, I would expect a little more....

No I take that back. I wouldn't expect more. Its basically what the GOP and TBA has done all election season. Smoke and mirrors.

[shinRaiden 0]

First off you put my name on a quote I did not make, instead of just commenting to that effect. Secondly, there is nothing that says I can't say what you are doing is smoke and mirrors and general FUD as well. I can either spend time arguing about the mush you are trying to put in people's heads, or I can use that same time instead to try and put some of my own in instead.

But I'm off to the phone banks and to hang out with the best Anarchist-kicking Sheriff on the West Coast. I won't be back until probably wednesday, tomorrow's a busy day.

God Willing, Four More years of leadership under Bush to try to destroy the evils about in this world, and bring justice to the oppressed.

Good night.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]First off you put my name on a quote I did not make, instead of just commenting to that effect.

Umm...it was my quote. That's why there were "*". I certainly wasn't going to quote that entire post.

Quote[/b] ]Secondly, there is nothing that says I can't say what you are doing is smoke and mirrors and general FUD as well.

Thats all fine and dandy. But you made the accusations and failed to back them up, or even respond to my questions, presumably because you had no answer.

Quote[/b] ]I can either spend time arguing about the mush you are trying to put in people's heads, or I can use that same time instead to try and put some of my own in instead.

Least we all agree its mush. (Was hoping you'd continue the applesauce metaphor )

Quote[/b] ]God Willing, Four More years of leadership under Bush to try to destroy the evils about in this world, and bring justice to the oppressed.

Refer to the questions that you completely failed to answer.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go watch my Dolphins get embaressingly pummeled.

EDIT: To add to shin's earlier post (for fairness):

Quote[/b] ]Voters Complain About Misleading Calls

10 minutes ago

By KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN, Associated Press Writer

LANSING, Mich. - Some Michigan voters have received phone calls falsely claiming that Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) would make gay marriage legal. In New Jersey, some voters have heard a man claiming to be former Army Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf backing the Democrat. Elderly voters in Pennsylvania have been called and told they are ineligible to vote.

Link

[walker 0]

Hi all

The groundswell is happening with more and more states looking to turn blue.

Latest polls and electoral college monitors show a possable Landslide for the Kerry Edwards Ticket.

This will only be possable if You get out and vote on Tuesday Morning at 6 o' clock. If you have to go latter dont leave it too late the queues are going to be massive. Get in that queue. Stay in that queue and vote for John Kerry.

Remember Your Vote Counts

In this election, above any other your vote counts, your vote could be the one that tips the balance in your state. Even states with that apeared to have a big bush lead are now up for grabs with the massive increase in the number of voters. No matter which state you are in; GET OUT AND VOTE!

Virginia is up for grabs

If you live in Virginia you must, must, must get out and vote. Latest polls put it well within the margin for error and with 11% more new voters mostly young democrats it is easily winable for John Kerry if you Get out and Vote

Be determined to make a diference.

Go equiped for a long queue. Remember to wrap up warm take Umbrelas. Go with friends so you can take turns at toilet breaks. Take food and drinks or order piza.

Stay friendly. Stay calm. Stay in the vote

Remember be friendly in the queue. Do not get drawn in to big arguments. If there are Republicans there be friendly. Remember you are there to elect the next President of the United states of America. Focus on that job.

Enjoy your election

Remeber this is your election Your vote is what counts. It is YOU that is deciding the next president of the United States of America. Get out at 6 0' Clock in the morning on Tuesday. Make a Day of it. Make a carnival of it. Take picknic or order Piza in the queue but get out and Vote. And Vote John Kerry for President.

Kind Regards Walker

Hi All

It was rather amusing seeing shinRaiden plagerise my work.

As I always say the original is always the best. Hence It is worth repeating.

All Enjoy your elections America whether you are a Democrat or Republican.

Kind Regards Walker

[bn880 5]

God Willing, Four More years of leadership under Bush to try to destroy the evils about in this world, and bring justice to the oppressed.

Well god is not willing, but Bush will stay anyway.

[DB-ERAUPilot 0]

all u guys complainin about Bush better be at the polls tommorow morning..theres no bitchin if ya don't vote...I'm sure gonna do my part in sending that sonofabitch back to Texas where he belongs first thing in the morning

[Akira 0]

all u guys complainin about Bush better be at the polls tommorow morning..theres no bitchin if ya don't vote...I'm sure gonna do my part in sending that sonofabitch back to Texas where he belongs first thing in the morning

Send him back to New England where he was born.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Send him back to New England where he was born.

Your ban is coming!

[Akira 0]

It's started (guess where):

Link

Quote[/b] ]13,000 Ballots Rushed From Voting Site, Must Be Recounted

Memory Card On Optical Scan Machine Fails

POSTED: 12:08 PM EST November 1, 2004

UPDATED: 6:42 PM EST November 1, 2004

About 13,000 ballots were removed from an early-voting site in Daytona Beach, Fla., Monday and rushed to a secure vault in Deland after an optical scan machine failed, according to Local 6 News.

Local 6 News has learned that a memory card, on the machine failed and all 13,000 votes must be recounted.

A computer error is to blame for the failure of the memory card which records the voting data, Local 6 News reported.

When the error was discovered Monday, representatives from both parties were notified.

Both sides then witnessed the removal of the ballots and their storage in the vault.

The canvassing board will meet Monday to discuss how to recount the ballots.

Election officials said that the discovery will not compromise the count, according to Local 6 News.

Election monitors have also already noted irregularities.

*sigh*

[FSPilot 0]

No.... no!... NOOOOO!!!!!!

I'm afraid we're going to have to vote Florida out of the country if they allow the 2000 elections to happen again.

[sputnik monroe 102]

Quote[/b] ]If there are Republicans there be friendly.

LMAO! if that's a good one.

Tomorrow will be the first time I've voted at a polling station. I've always voted via absentee ballot until I moved to Virginia. I couldn't meet the criteria for a absentee ballot this time.

Tomorrow I will not be friendly, I will not be hostile. I will simply be indifferent and try to go unnoticed. I'm not there to socialize or debate, I'm there to cast my ballot and leave.

I will not do anything that might risk me losing my vote, such as debating with a foaming at the mouth raving democrat who might assault me. Last thing I need is to get the shit beat out of me before I can vote or end up getting detained by the police while they sort out who's to blame for a fight.

I'll admit though I'm not that confident about my vote. I will stop at nothing to cast my vote, though I'm not going to humor my self by saying it really counts. Who's to say my ballot will ever be counted any way? There are so many variables that can go foul. In the end I do it so I can say two words, I tried. In the end that is all I can do.

[Akira 0]

30 minutes till the first poll opens.

[bn880 5]

So is anyone here betting on the US election results? As in who will win the election and who will stay in office.

No but seriously, if you want to bet for Kerry for a couple smackers, I'll challenge you, but you must have paypal so I can send you the cash fast.

[Akira 0]

So is anyone here betting on the US election results? As in who will win the election and who will stay in office.

No but seriously, if you want to bet for Kerry for a couple smackers, I'll challenge you, but you must have paypal so I can send you the cash fast.

We got some post count bets but thats about it.

[IceFire 0]

So is anyone here betting on the US election results? As in who will win the election and who will stay in office.

No but seriously, if you want to bet for Kerry for a couple smackers, I'll challenge you, but you must have paypal so I can send you the cash fast.

Believe it or not, I already have 2 bets set up with 2 different coworkers on the outcome of the elections for $50 each.

If Bush is reelected, I will have a cool $100, if Kerry wins, I will lose $100.

[Colossus 2]

Saw this in the a national paper today:

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Thought it was just fun, becouse I agree with him

[theavonlady 2]

Saw this in the a national paper today:

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Thought it was just fun, becouse I agree with him

That's just an imaginary comic.

I prefer real life pics: