Laser had relased something again!!!

[ag_smith 0]

(...)In reply to our questions, we recieved a message explaining that ORCS released RHS crews "to counter Suchey's Marine Pack release", which is a senceless explanation.(...)

ROTFL.

     

Edit: Bad ORCS, bad!

[munger 25]

USMC squad vs Russian tank crew. Odds to win?

But still, I think they are high quality units and I am eager to use them in place of the tired old dudes in black.

[shinRaiden 0]

I presume that there is a possibility that there might always be some last minute bugs and fixes before the OFFICIAL release, and that being a part of a larger pack, having this pack will lead to major problems for all users who dl'd it.

As def'ing near-identical objects in multiple configs is bad business, we'll want to DELETE this spurious addon to avoid problems when the Russkie's roll out of RHS. And there will be tons of n00bs posting saying "d00dz, this sux0rs, everything don't work", and how do you undo that kind of damage?

In addition, not only is it a major insult to a respected mod maker, it is also a slap in the face to all of us 56k'ers. After all the hassle of downloading this pack with tracking down mirrors and flakey connections and getright messes, thinking all's cool in the end, only to find out its junk and we'll have to toss it out and DL all over again, thanks nothing.

get a freaking clue, and do it right.

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Ok, in re-reading the posts, it seems from RHS's standpoint that ORCS was 'contracted' to do work for RHS. Yeah, ORCS may have done all the work (aside from data references provided), but the least they could have done is inform RHS of their desire to release that part. It's just decent courtesy.

[CanadianTerror 0]

The weapon that comes with this has LOD probs.

Nevermind all the political stuff....beta test the damn addons please.

[B-2-0 0]

Jeez, reading the last 2 posts anyone would think that when you buy OFP you automaticly gain the absolute right to get perfect addons on tap.

Quote[/b] ]beta test the damn addons

Quote[/b] ]only to find out its junk and we'll have to toss it out and DL all over again, thanks nothing.

get a freaking clue, and do it right.

FFS, how many times has it got to be said that these guys make these addons for fun, for us and most importantly FOR FREE!!

WTF gives anyone the right to talk to people like this, grow the fuck up guys!!

[da_ofp_man 0]

The weapon that comes with this has LOD probs.

Nevermind all the political stuff....beta test the damn addons please.

What no problem with LODs!Mybe on your cpu only working fine everything

[shinRaiden 0]

Point one -

RHS states that this unit has already been rolled into their packs, meaning that this PBO will need to be removed when RHS releases to avoid config chaos.

Point two -

Satelite is the only other technical option in my remote area, I'm stuck on 56k. If they had posted that this was a beta preview of the units for RHS, and RHS had encouraged it, all would be cool.

Point three -

Has laser and ORCS done tons of cool stuff? Of course. I love Laser's Spetznaz and GRU. However, as the dear Canuk mentioned, there are serious LOD issues that have not been resolved. A little note stating that this is a known issue and is being looked into would help a ton.

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I like how the unit works, and I look forward to playing with it. However, I do not appreciate all the hassle of trying to find a download and fight for it, only to discover that it is going to be superceeded after the fact. If Laser had mentioned it was only a beta preview, that's one thing. But to release an addon claiming it's the final build knowing full well that it is not and could likely sabotage the RHS pack, thats not cool.

Besides, where is the acknowledgement about the LOD issue? The Spetznaz/GRU looked like gumby tossed into the meat grinder at certain LOD's, and all the textures/code in the world can't fix that. If I have to DL several betas and previews only to have to toss them out, I'm going to consider very strongly if I'm even going to bother wasting my time chasing it.

Technically, it is beautiful. The project management though is a classic example of what drives folks bonkers. Amend the readme, acknowledge the LOD issue, make the peace with RHS, and post a roadmap for conflict resolution with the RHS pack.

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With the MarPat USMC, they announced a beta preview, and warned people that they would need to remove them when the final shipped. They also addressed the JAM/non-JAM issues up front, and worked with their contacts. Thats why you don't have angry trolls over there.

I'm not accusing Laser of stealing, that's between Laser and RHS. I'm just saying that the release management really is not encouraging the fans to be interested in Laser's work any further. Simple ROI factors. Wasted time/ conflicts vs. Eyecandy.

[Baron von Beer 0]

OK, this is getting ridiculous. In a good way.

[Gollum1 0]

Maybe this "counter" statement was just a case of bad English? Ah, I don't know, but I think I'll still DL them out of need for some good crew.

And in a sense, this is the closest we have ever got to an RHS release.

[Consigliere 0]

Bah, if they were ready for release, I say release the buggers.

[reconmercs 0]

ditto

[shinRaiden 0]

Yeah, we can use them with Sigma6's tanks for now. Just remember to clean it out when RHS ships. Hmm... wasn't Halflife 2 supposed to be out this christmas? (hint-hint)

[da_ofp_man 0]

OK then stop talking about what did ORCS but relase your T-55 pack RHS to "counter"  the relase of ORCS                                 It would be great if you go with the spirit of xmas and other addonmakers and relese them today  

[Shadow NX 1]

A christmas present is a present you get on 24th for me

[Denorc-ORCS- 0]

And again.

All that we done we done from ourselves. and use it to profit our mod. No "agreements" with RHS never were. If you want - this is me "ofp pirate", Laser knew nothing about release.

This is point one.

So second point. We could made another version of crew to RHS to make them completely happy. Also we can give them IRAQ Crew... This Release was forced by Suchey Marine Pack, "in counter", as you said.

I don wonna any mod wars there. We had enough problems with "KKM wars", and many stolen addons there.

And third point. 'Cause there used AKs and anims and some config works of other ORCS members, this isn't a "laser" Pack at all. He is one of the most talented ORCS, but you should notice, that there is some SayAgain[ORCS] and my work.

Be happy... Denorc[ORCS], ICP Leader...

[Shadow NX 1]

@ Dec. 21 2003,01:07)]All that we done we done from ourselves. and use it to profit our mod. No "agreements" with RHS never were.

We both know thats not true, dont we?

Youre lucky that this fucking new ICQ version isnt saving the message history anymore...

oh and, there is no "Mod war" but this releaseaction spoke for itself...

[Denorc-ORCS- 0]

OK.

We will never do business together again.

RHS wanna just get something, and said: hey, those ORCS steal our addons!

You want too many, guys. You will not pay us for crew, or do something to help us. Russians say: "There is only one thing for free, a cheese in a mouse-catcher".

Why should we help you? Some kind of "good guys"?

There is no "good" guys, amigo.

I am a producer of my project. I am doing my best. I am not an RHS member. No contracts, no documents, no stories...

I told already, that RHS helped us with some info and textures. Against of it we made crew. Why they could not download our PBO and use it?

Oh no... they are RED HAMMER STUDIOS... Fully exclusive...

Too many of PONTi's my friend. You know what it means...

[kaskad 0]

From what I know, Laser is on RHS team too, so, that means that the stuff he makes for RHS, is for RHS.

correct me if I'm wrong.

s uvajeniem,

kaskad

[Denorc-ORCS- 0]

Laser is free. He is a man, not a toy or robot. He do what he wants, or what is needed to people. For now he hasn't have a lot of free time. To be a member of all presented teams.

Personally I think that Laser is an ORC.

But maybe i am not ORC $)) Now.

My guys may dismiss me. $) After this incident, because that's was my personal mistake. Not an ORCS. Just me...)))

Full democracy into team.

But I will be an ICP leader some more time, i will ask him do not make business with RHS. 'cause they are ridiculous with their paranoidal ideas. Of course, he can say :"'ck off, den, i do what i want". And he will be right. But i can try...)) No more talking, what done - its done. You can use our crew, Suchey crew, anything you want, just leave us alone and let us make our job the way we want...

That's all for today.

[Shadow NX 1]

Ok heres a lil timeline

I asked laser while ago if he would like to help us and make a crew for us, he agreed to that.

I also asked if he would like to be a RHS member, he agreed but also stayed in the ORCS team.

After a few versions Laser posted news about the final crew version

When we were talking on ICQ that day he said that you showed intrest in them and would like to use them too.

Then you contacted me and asked if you can use them.

We were talking and you showed me your T-72 so i know why you need it.

We agreed that both teams can use them.

Then yesterday you suddently contacted me on ICQ and say forgive me RHS i released the crew.

Then you explained that you released them cause Suchey&Earl released their Navals.

I told you that i found this very cheesy cause you just released them not even included the tank.

And i got a answer wich sounded like Laser is in ORCS team so what he makes is ORCS property and you are so kind to allow us to use the crew too wich i found was a hit in the face for me.

You just said in your post Laser is a free man no toy or robot, well this sentence and the one i mentioned before somehow dont fit together very well.

What sense did it made to release them if you know a few days later we wanted to release them too with a big tankpack?

And now you say im a liar and tell fairytales here?

And you dont want to work with us anymore cause i informed the community what happend?

And you will tell laser not to work with us anymore?

So we are the bad guys here or what?!

The best part on this is that the release was done and the maker didnt even knew and not even was asked, but ok were arrogant guys always want want want always take never give...yes... sure, that explains why FDF and CSLA use parts from our T55 and T72 pack in their mod before we released them.

All i wanted was that you wait with that release and let us release our tankapack with new crew wich is is understandeable cause they were made for us in the first place

I dont understand why you cant say ok it was the wrong move, instead you insult us now as bad guys here

We didnt hurt your reputation... you did that

some pictures for those who dont believe that this was a RHS project at first:

First version of crew, check posting dates

pic1

pic2

pic3

pic4

[tankieboy 0]

What sense did it made to release them if you know a few days later we wanted to release them too with a big tankpack?

Really?

[ShadowY 0]

They`re looking very good...GJ Laser

[Gollum1 0]

Nm

[ozanzac 0]

What sense did it made to release them if you know a few days later we wanted to release them too with a big tankpack?

Really?

I agree. There seems to be alot of fuss over what is essentially, a storm in a teacup.

C'mon guys. Big deal, someone released a beta. Beta's are for beta testing. Therefore it's not final, correct?

There really is no need to strain relations between mod teams over something like this. In my view, this is an anthill and you guys are trying to turn it into something as big as everest.

Just relax a little, no need to tense up.

[tankieboy 0]

What sense did it made to release them if you know a few days later we wanted to release them too with a big tankpack?

Really?

I agree. There seems to be alot of fuss over what is essentially, a storm in a teacup.

C'mon guys. Big deal, someone released a beta. Beta's are for beta testing. Therefore it's not final, correct?

There really is no need to strain relations between mod teams over something like this. In my view, this is an anthill and you guys are trying to turn it into something as big as everest.

Just relax a little, no need to tense up.

That was not my point but I agree.

I was more interested in the 'big tank pack being released in a few days' statement.

Keep the peace as 'tis the season to be jolly' and all that crap and just keep the 'addon snow' flowing.

I'm loving it.