Saving jessica lynch

[denoir 0]

so in other words, you are saying that someone should not know about(or face) something just becuase of what the object/subject is. but than again, if you don't know it, how can you make comments about it?

The same logic behind it as why children pornography is illegal. Just by watching it you don't hurt anybody, but by watching it you create a demand which in turn results in children getting abused.

Same thing here, you contribute to the demand by watching it and debating it. The proper thing would have been to recognize that Lynch's efforts/failures don't deserve a movie and that it could only be crap. And then not watch it.

The same reason why I'm not going to watch Matrix Revolutions in the theatre

[ralphwiggum 6]

Quote[/b] ]The same logic behind it as why children pornography is illegal. Just by watching it you don't hurt anybody, but by watching it you create a demand which in turn results in children getting abused.

there is difference between network getting ratings numbers and subsequent advertisement revenue and destroying someone's life.

the pedophiles usually exchange their disgusting movies or pictures to get abnormal sexual satisfaction, while as ratings board do not care, and networks only get money.

Quote[/b] ]Same thing here, you contribute to the demand by watching it and debating it. The proper thing would have been to recognize that Lynch's efforts/failures don't deserve a movie and that it could only be crap. And then not watch it.

wouldn't you be glad that i don't participate in ratings and my watching is not reported?

[denoir 0]

wouldn't you be glad that i don't participate in ratings and my watching is not reported?

That's the same bad excuse that people that don't vote use. The bottom line is that the ultimate goal of those that produced this move was that people would watch it. By doing exactly that you support further productions of crap like this. Simple as that.

[ralphwiggum 6]

they don't know if i watched or not.

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX 0]

Denoir is right ;)

Same as all the people who bought the newspapers about princess Diana are responsible for her death.

You create the demand by watching it, the shows are made.

I always wonder who the hell does watch some of these programs/ clicks on spam adverts etc. Somebody must be doing it, but you never meet them...

[CrunchyFrog 0]

All i can say is... ROFLMFAO!

[theavonlady 2]

All i can say is... ROFLMFAO!

Yours is the first positive review.

[-AIM-Holzy 0]

The sad part is that there are everyday mom and dads out there that believe all of that crap and lap it up. I havent seen the bullshitomentary nor do i intend to after reading this thread. I think more publicity should be given to the guys out there fighting and dieing.

Tomorrow i will be taking part in a cenotaph catafalque ceremony for armistace/rememberance day. The war to end all wars ended at 11 am exactly 85 yrs ago tomorrow. Will we ever learn.........

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning

We will remember them.

Binyon

(1869 - 1943)

[miles teg 1]

I would not blame her, she's only being pragmatic. "Do you want a million dollars? -Yeah sure why not."

I would have taken the deal too. So who's to blame for this piece of crap? The media? Hardly, they only show what people want to see.

It's your fault - those of you that watched the show and improved its ratings. Congratulations, you have done your part for the war effort by supporting the production of cheap and trivial propaganda. Expect to see more of it.

Don't blame the soldiers.  Often the reason for the weapons jamming is because they are not maintained properly by the unit armorer often because of lack of funding.  My old Reserve unit had a huge problem getting funds to have weapons repaired.  It just was not a priority even though those weapons are what they'd take into combat with them.  One of the biggest problems was that our .50 cal never got repaired and we were always borrowing someone else's .50 cal for doing heavy weapons qualification.  

So it's usually either a problem with funds or a problem with a Supply Sgt./unit armorer who is not doing their job.  

That is no excuse. None at all. Keeping your weapon clean and functioning is the number one priority of every soldier. It does not matter if he is a green beret or plays the trombone in an army band. And if the soldiers don't know that then it's criminal negligence on the part of their commanidng officers and the place where they were trained.

Denoir, you obviously don't understand the mentality of US Army support units. For many of the unit commanders and the higher battallion and brigade commanders, support units are NOT combat units and thus weapons are not given a high priority. I totally agree that they should be held accountable.

But if you have a M16 that has a bolt that is leaking gas and nobody fixes it, or if your unit doesn't assign permanent weapons and your unit suddenly gets a bunch of beat-to-hell M16A2's when you get to your area of operations, I don't care how much you clean those weapons they WILL jam. If the soldier neglected to report the problem then yes the soldier is responsible. But also you have to remember that US Army support units get precious little time at the range. I'd be surprised if Lynch's unit was able to do much more then zero'ing their rifles before heading off into combat. My old Reserve unit didn't assign permanent weapons for some stupid reason. I raised hell over this because those were the weapons we were supposed to take into combat. But nobody listened and the Supply Sgt. in charge of the armory just wanted to do whatever was easiest for her.

When I did my basic training I was given one rifle and I was trained to treat it like my baby, which I did. I still remember her number- Rifle #103. She was a sweeeeeet rifle that rarely jammed on me and earned me my expert rifle badge.

In Lynch's case, there was probably no investigation as to why so many weapons jammed. But more then likely it was due to a combination of negligence on the part of the unit armorer/supply Sgt, and perhaps a lack of disciplined cleaning of weapons enforced by platoon leaders and squad leaders.

In any case, the M16A2 tends to jam occasionally even if well maintained and if magazines get dirty they throw up a ton of dirt into the receiver. But normally it's nothing that can't be cleared in a second. It's only in CQB that this becomes an extremely deadly problem which is why in urban combat I'd take an AK-47 over a M16A2 or M4 any day.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Guest]

Has anyone seen the piece on PFC Miller?  IMHO, he is the true hero...

Quote[/b] ]I remember him saying something to the effect that his rifle was in such bad shape from a maintenance standpoint that he had to hit his forward assist several times between shots just to get the weapon to function properly.

Yeh, that was Miller.  He hid behind a sand berm for one hour harrasing an Iraqi mortar team, loading each bullet manually.  The report also said he ran over one of the ambushers in his escape attempt.  Then it goes into detail about how he annoyed his captors (told them his snuff was bubble gum) and managed to hide the battalions secret radio frequencies he had stored in his helmet.  He was the lanky midwesterner with for anyone who's seen the POW videos.

I feel terrible for Lynch simply because she clearly did not wish to be flung into this media whirlwhind - added to the humliation of sexual abuse and pain of her serious injuries.

I'm happy I don't watch TV  

CBS Report of PFC Miller

[Schoeler 0]

What about Laurie Piestewa, the native american girl from my home state of Arizona.  She died in that incident for Christ sakes and she doesn't get a movie because she's got brown skin and a name thats hard to pronounce.

I think you're jumping the gun here.

Lynch got a movie because a rescue operation with great fictitious publicity and fanfare took place.

Let's pretend that it was Lynch that died and Piestewa was rescued in the same fashion. Are you claiming the same wouldn't have been done for her? If so, I totally disagree.

That's exactly what I'm claiming. Lynch got a hyped up "rescue" operation with cameras and an American flag draped over her body (that the government made sure everyone got to see) because she was the perfect all-American propaganda tool, blonde-haired, blue-eyed, mom and apple pie, sell the war to the people unit number 40226-B to the military and the Bush administration. If it had been Piestewa instead of Lynch, she would have gotten a few newspaper articles and an interview on Nightline and then she would have been forgotten. Why? Because we still live in a society here in the U.S. that doesn't give a crap about poor Native American reservation trash. Don't believe me? Come here to Arizona and I'll run you on up to the Navajo and Apache reservations for a day.

[havocsquad 0]

Damn greedy NBC corporation, jesus you think they could have played the violins a little more sorrowing.  I didn't watch it but just looking at the commerical for it made me wanna vomit.

I'm glad Pvt. Jessica Lynch bitched about how airing this movie was completly wrong and how it ignored others that served then and now in Iraq.  Not to mention the Department of Defense turning the arrival of her airlift out into @#$#@ hollywood as soon as she was recused out.  Never seen such media hording in my life done by certain parts of the U.S. military.

Just putting my two cents in...

[bonko the sane 2]

"A teenage POW"

This has got to be the most silly catch line for a movie\series ever...appealling to both Britney Spears fans and hormone loaded young males...they are artists of the word methinks...what have they created? Im glad i gave up on TV years ago.

[EiZei 0]

Of course you could just DL it if you do not want to support NBC or this crap..

j/k

[ralphwiggum 6]

http://www.cnn.com/2003....ex.html

Quote[/b] ]NEW YORK (AP) -- Forced to choose between stories about a hero prisoner of war or a young victim of a bizarre kidnapping, American television viewers narrowly went for the kidnap victim.

A made-for-TV movie on CBS about Elizabeth Smart was seen by an estimated 15.7 million viewers on Sunday, Nielsen Media Research said in a preliminary estimate Monday.

"The Elizabeth Smart Story" competed against a similar TV movie about Jessica Lynch on NBC, which had 14.9 million viewers, Nielsen said.

Smart's ratings advantage is expected to hold when final Nielsen ratings are released on Tuesday.

In a ratings "sweeps" month, the two networks chose to go after each other with similar projects. The Smart movie aired about a half-hour later than Lynch's because of a late football game.

NBC hardly considered it a defeat, however. "Saving Jessica Lynch" did slightly better among viewers aged 18 to 49, and was NBC's best-rated TV movie among this prized demographic since "Growing Up Brady" in May 2000.

Actually, more people on Sunday watched a true story involving Lynch than a dramatized account. CBS' "60 Minutes," which carried a Mike Wallace story about a hidden hero in the battle surrounding Lynch, was seen by 17.9 million people.

[drewb99 0]

Nice to see more people watched the Mike Wallace thing than either movie.

[Guest]

http://www.cnn.com/2003....ex.html

Quote[/b] ]NEW YORK (AP) -- Forced to choose between stories about a hero prisoner of war or a young victim of a bizarre kidnapping, American television viewers narrowly went for the kidnap victim.

A made-for-TV movie on CBS about Elizabeth Smart was seen by an estimated 15.7 million viewers on Sunday, Nielsen Media Research said in a preliminary estimate Monday.

"The Elizabeth Smart Story" competed against a similar TV movie about Jessica Lynch on NBC, which had 14.9 million viewers, Nielsen said.

Smart's ratings advantage is expected to hold when final Nielsen ratings are released on Tuesday.

In a ratings "sweeps" month, the two networks chose to go after each other with similar projects. The Smart movie aired about a half-hour later than Lynch's because of a late football game.

NBC hardly considered it a defeat, however. "Saving Jessica Lynch" did slightly better among viewers aged 18 to 49, and was NBC's best-rated TV movie among this prized demographic since "Growing Up Brady" in May 2000.

Actually, more people on Sunday watched a true story involving Lynch than a dramatized account. CBS' "60 Minutes," which carried a Mike Wallace story about a hidden hero in the battle surrounding Lynch, was seen by 17.9 million people.

lol, the headline reads "Smart beats Lynch in TV Battle"

Who writes this stuff?  

[crassus 0]

Just as I was about to switch the channel to something not so laughable, I see my acting teacher on TV!

His name is Navid Negahban, and he was the Iraqi that "welcomed" Lynch to his country, and that slapped her later.

Wow!!!! He was also on an episode of "The Shield".

[The Frenchman 0]

Just as I was about to switch the channel to something not so laughable, I see my acting teacher on TV!

His name is Navid Negahban, and he was the Iraqi that "welcomed" Lynch to his country, and that slapped her later.

Wow!!!! He was also on an episode of "The Shield".

Damn thats scary.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Quote[/b] ]Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the poor woman went through hell. They were trained to pump fuel, not to fight. Can't blame them I guess, I feel awful sorry for the ones that didn't make it though.

All soldiers should know how to fire, maneuver, and close with the enemy. All soldiers should be trained in basic infantry maneuvers such as patroling, ambush, movement to contact, break contact, and react to ambush. This is fundamentally a fault due to insufficient leadership from TRADOC down to the batallion, company, and platoon level echelons.

Quote[/b] ]Denoir, you obviously don't understand the mentality of US Army support units. For many of the unit commanders and the higher battallion and brigade commanders, support units are NOT combat units and thus weapons are not given a high priority. I totally agree that they should be held accountable.

You nailed it my friend. However, I know damned well that the Army can afford to provide every troop in the field with a fully functional, hell, even a brand new rifle, and all the ammo they could possibly use. Especially in a conflict this small, not like it's WWII or anything.I could go into a lenthy discussion about the decay of the U.S. Army officer corps. I guarantee that no Marine support unit would be caught dead in such a situation. Why? Because all Marines are trained as "killers" at the basic level. Every Marine goes through the same crap. REMF's in the Army enjoy easier Basic Combat Training posts and standards. They get passes, treats, and get fudged through the standard tests that they can't hack to keep attrition down. This is not a fault of the individual soldiers. Basically a good leader can make any person be a capable fighter. (Not saying an elite or talented one, just functional.)

Anyway, the Jessica Lynch hype is crap.

They are making a casualty a hero, she is no hero and she admits that. It's a slap in the face to those who really hung their asses on the line in combat that she gets all this attention because she is:

1. a young female

2. reasonable to look at

Her horrible experiece is not her fault. She's a damned greenhorn REMF private who was a victim of piss poor leadership.

[-AIM-Holzy 0]

As with any military unit, especially one in an AO, one thing should always be remembered

P P P P P P

Prior Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX 0]

Missed one

Prior Preperation and Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

[-AIM-Holzy 0]

Preparation includes planning lol  

Edit: Happy now? lol

[theavonlady 2]

And I always thought it stood for Peter Piper Picked a Peck of Pickled Peppers.

[-AIM-Holzy 0]

You just keep thinking that.........