War against terror

[walker 0]

Hi all

Hmm this is the "War against terror" thread

The Middle East thread is a different thread.

Click here >>>The Middle East thread<<< To go to the Middle East thread.

Back to the situation in Afghanistan the situation seems to be getting more active as NATO soldiers have started expanding their efforts to control the largely lawless southern Province of Helmand.

Quote[/b] ]Afghanistan Violence Heats Up

1 NATO-led Coalition Soldier Dead; Police Kill 10 Suspected Taliban

KABUL, Afghanistan, Aug. 27, 2006

AP) Insurgent attacks in southern Afghanistan left one NATO-led coalition soldier dead and wounded seven others Sunday, while police killed 10 suspected Taliban militants who struck a government compound, officials said.

The soldier was killed in the southern Helmand province, a NATO statement said. It did not provide details on the clash or give the soldier's nationality.

Separately, another NATO soldier and six Afghan troops were wounded when mortars hit their base in neighboring Kandahar province early Sunday, the statement said. The soldiers were evacuated to a military medical facility for treatment.

Meanwhile, a large number of militants attacked the Musa Qala district compound in Helmand on Saturday, sparking a clash with police that left 10 insurgents dead, said Ghulam Nabi Malakheil, provincial police chief.

The militants left the dead bodies alongside seven AK-47 assault rifles, five rocket-propelled grenades and two heavy machine guns, he said. There were no police casualties...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/27/world/main1936883.shtml

Follow link to read the full story

It has always amazed me that George Bush junior, TBA and TBA2 made the fundamental strategic error of fighting a two front war by totaly pointlessly starting the Iraq war.

George Bush Junior finaly admits Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

Earlier this week George Bush Junior finaly admitted that the Iraq war had nothing to do with 9/11. Laugh your head off as the fool George Bush Junior's admits it live on TV.

Quote[/b] ] Ken Herman, Cox News: "What did Iraq have to do with the attack on the World Trade Center?"

Bush: "Nothing."

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/40631/ Follow link to read the full story and watch the video of George Bush Junior making an ass of himself yet again

Putting the final nail in the Coffin that there was any reason to go into Iraq.

Then George Bush Junior goes on to make a complete ass of himself yet again when he admits that going into Iraq made the situation worse and created the breading grounds for terrorism:

Quote[/b] ]"I have suggested however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill... I have made that case."

ibid

Untill George Bush junior went into Iraq without enough troops to do the job and cover the borders there was no Al Qaida in Iraq. Saddam locked them up or executed them and Osama and Saddam have always had a mutual hatred.

There was:

No Iraqi WMD

No Iraqi link with 9/11

No Iraqi link with Al Qaida

And George Bush Junior now admits it all.

Kind Regards Walker

[Bernadotte 0]

Untill George Bush junior went into Iraq without enough troops to do the job and cover the borders there was no Al Qaida in Iraq.

I hope it's ok to respond here instead of in the >>>Iraq Thread<<<.  

The first administrator of Iraq's British sector, Jeremy Greenstock, described the Americans' lack of desire to cover the borders as his greatest source of frustration.  He felt they had the means and manpower to do so but deliberately ignored the need.  I believe this was all a part of the US project to turn Iraq into Al Qaida flypaper.

You see, the US realised that they could not hunt down Al Qaida with their conventional forces, so they had to provoke Al Qaida into coming to them - but not on US soil.  After all, according to President Bush in his 2005 State of the Union address:

Quote[/b] ]Our men and women in uniform are fighting terrorists in Iraq, <span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>so we do not have to face them here at home.</span>

The porous Iraqi border was not an oversight.  It was by design.

[deanosbeano 0]

I might not agree with everything the George Galoway says but at least he has brains and can think.

Tastes like Nasrallah.

the alternative isnt much better .

smells like sh1t

real player .^^

smells like arms sales

windows media ^^^

its easy to make one liners. and btw it is the newscaster that alegdes he praises nasrallah, have you got the vid where he does ? .

of course the war on terror is about terrorism and its undeniable iraq was the chosen ground to fight them.the problem is its oil thats paying for the war and iraq will end up a devided bankrupt country and we all know thats just a breeding ground for future terrorists being born. its gonna be a never ending cycle.

[walker 0]

Hi all

@Bernadotte that may have been TBA's intention but this is the real world not anaolgy world.

The real world is chaotic and anarchic. As Edward Gibbon's treatise "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" pointed out over two hundred years ago: political leaders often achieve the exact oposite of what they intend.

In one dimensional, too stupid to understand so they use an Analogy world: Iraq is fly paper (mad huh)

Here in the real world, which is: multi ordinate, anarchic, chaotic and just plane messy. Iraq is: fly paper, training unversity for terrorism, recruiting ground, a place for terrists to evolve so that the best can then attack the west, advertising slogan, a place to hone your skills as a bomber, a place where martyrs are made, shiite, kurdish, sunni, heck its even christian, full of oil, likes the west, hates the west, wants democracy, hates democracy, pro Al Qaida, anti Al Qaida, pro Al Qaida, damn pissed off with west, etc.

Like any country or social grouping it is complex and making your policies on analogies because you can not understand that complexity is just plane stupid.

Supporting your analogy based policy with lies about the threat Iraq poses is probably high crimes and misdemeanors.

Crying wolf in that way when your country is already at war in Afghanistan so that your international word becomes a laughing stock and you become the worlds first international lame duck president are the actions of an imbecile.

Diverting your countries defense from a real threat to a made up one are the actions of a traitor.

Kind Regards Walker

[Bernadotte 0]

@Bernadotte that may have been TBA's intention but this is the real world not anaolgy world.

Yes I agree that, just because it may have been his intention, doesn't make it clever or morally justifiable.  However, not blaming failed border control solely on ignorance tends to underscore the project's inherent moral repugnance.

[Nemesis6 0]

Deano, you linked to NaziMedia and a nutjob site!

[chops 111]

I might not agree with everything the George Galoway says but at least he has brains and can think.

Tastes like Nasrallah.

What's your point?

[walker 0]

Hi all

The number of conservative Republicans knocking TBA, George Bush Junior himself, and the NeoConMen who are loosing the war on terror continues to rise.

The latest anti Bush article is from John Lehman who was secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration:

Quote[/b] ]We're Not Winning This War

Despite Some Notable Achievements, New Thinking Is Needed on the Home Front and Abroad

By John Lehman

Thursday, August 31, 2006; Page A25

Are we winning the war? The first question to ask is, what war? The Bush administration continues to muddle a national understanding of the conflict we are in by calling it the "war on terror." This political correctness presumably seeks to avoid hurting the feelings of the Saudis and other Muslims, but it comes at high cost. This not a war against terror any more than World War II was a war against kamikazes.

We are at war with jihadists motivated by a violent ideology based on an extremist interpretation of the Islamic faith. This enemy is decentralized and geographically dispersed around the world. Its organizations range from a fully functioning state such as Iran to small groups of individuals in American cities.

We are fighting this war on three distinct fronts: the home front, the operational front and the strategic-political front. Let us look first at the home front. The Bush administration deserves much credit for the fact that, despite determined efforts to carry them out, there have been no successful Islamist attacks within the United States since Sept. 11, 2001. This is a significant achievement, but there are growing dangers and continuing vulnerabilities...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....30.html Follow link for the full article

Clearly even the most die hard Republicans have lost faith in TBA and their ability to protect the nation.

Kind Regards Walker

[deanosbeano 0]

Deano, you linked to NaziMedia and a nutjob site!

i did write a rebuffle ,but i decided not to take the bait

i think the videos i linked said what they had too.

[Nemesis6 0]

I'm such an evil man, why would I call sites like that "NaziMedia"?

[xawery 0]

Isn't this ironic? You criticise SF Indymedia for using the ill-conceived term "zionazis". You are correct in doing so; the term is an argumentum ad populum and thus a logical fallacy. However, in your criticism you label SF Indymedia as "Nazimedia", which the exact same type of fallacy

The next time someone asks me to explain the concept of irony, I'll use this as an example

/edit: I did a search for 'zionazis' on Google News, and I only got one hit, which happened to be a column in the Washington Times. Still, a quick search on the SF Indymedia site produces numerous hits.

[deanosbeano 0]

ironic indeed also ironic the other 4 results are nto shown,

i was able to reproduce nemisis result ,i merely visited the site first then searched and google used my i.e cache

you should be a reporter on fox news nemisis, dont forget tho they

are Neighbourhoods and not settlements

[Nemesis6 0]

However, in your criticism you label SF Indymedia as "Nazimedia", which the exact same type of fallacy

The next time someone asks me to explain the concept of irony, I'll use this as an example

Indymedia is a shitty site used for leftist and nazi propaganda. The kind of which I just showed you. It is truely an earned title on their part, and the "media" is claims to produce is virtually nothing else than teenagers trying to push their monotonic leftist beliefs through "news". Actually, it's more like Copy and Paste text, and add your own, unique material, such as this -

"THE APRARTAID WALL MUST FALL!!!111 RAGE AGAINST TEH MACHIN!11"

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

Quote[/b] ]

Indymedia is a shitty site used for leftist and nazi propaganda.

yeh right, becuase those two go together like steak and chips.  

[Nemesis6 0]

Leftism and nazism... They hate each other, but both of them hate the Jews more, so in many cases, they will cooperate. And I think you'll find that far-leftists will often be anti-Semites, like that guy "CsonkaPityu". He surely had nothing against Jewish people, right? I mean he was just opposed to Israel's policies. And then of course he started telling Jew-jokes. That is the left in a nutshell. But anyway, when he did that, all the local loony lefties here stood up and supported his actions. Bernadotte for example saying that he had heard Jews tell the same joke, you know, which made it totally ok. That's the left in a nutshell.

[walker 0]

Hi all

This is the "War against terror" thread.

Please feel free to make use of the >>>The Middle East Thread<<< for any discussions about the Semitic peoples civil war as that is probably the most appropriate thread.

Kind Regards walker

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

the problem is the middle east thread and war on terror thread are reallly the same thing.  You cant talk about one withut the other.  Also being far left and anti semetic really defeats the object of being far left.  And calling left wing people anti semetic is putting yourslef in dodgy grounds, many left wingers would be outraged at such an acusation.

[Garcia 0]

And then of course he started telling Jew-jokes. That is the left in a nutshell. But anyway, when he did that, all the local loony lefties here stood up and supported his actions. Bernadotte for example saying that he had heard Jews tell the same joke, you know, which made it totally ok. That's the left in a nutshell.

And then you got yourself who labeled people from India and Indonesia as anti-semites/anti-jews through that fancy "dialog" between peacekeepers from India and Indonesia...that's the right-winged Nemesis in a nutshell.

[Nemesis6 0]

And then you got yourself who labeled people from India and Indonesia as anti-semites/anti-jews through that fancy "dialog" between peacekeepers from India and Indonesia...that's the right-winged Nemesis in a nutshell.

Actually, I like the Indians more than I like the Indonesians. The Indonesians have a tendency to be pretty radical. It was just in that particular incident, if you know which one I'm talking about, Indian peacekeepers were involved.

[xawery 0]

Ah, you must be referring to this unfounded story about Indian peacekeepers helping Hezbollah, as reported by the oh-so non-partisan and 'balanced' IsraelInsider.com. Naturally, one should believe the statements of a supposedly independent internet media outlet (affiliated with such non-partisan organisations as Israel21c and AIPAC), rather than the foundings of an independent, high-profile investigation by the UN.

But then again, we all know by now that the UN are Hezbollah helpers, because some Jewish-American 'paper' published a photo of a UN flag, a Hezbollah flag, and a bit of fencing.

It's reassuring to see that in these times of turmoil, journalistic values are still held in such high regard...

[deanosbeano 0]

you mean he wasn`t talking about this incident ?

Indian peacekeepers

i am so busy keeping track of whos anti semitic and a nazi ,i cant keep up with all the whos a good peacekeeper and whos not as well, its all too much.oh and then theres the assholes and idiots.

[Nemesis6 0]

Deano, it's interesting to note that the Canadian who died there sent off an email just a few days before, talking about how the U.N post was being used by HizbAllah to fire at Israel from.

But no, that's not what I meant. Xawery, are you claiming claiming that this didn't happen? And why do you think it's unfounded? The episode was videotaped by U.N personel, and the U.N denied that they possessed the tape for as long as they could before finally admitting to having it.

[deanosbeano 0]

Deano, it's interesting to note that the Canadian who died there sent off an email just a few days before, talking about how the U.N post was being used by HizbAllah to fire at Israel from.

I couldnt agree more , it is also very convenient that right wing sites and right wingers in general ,quote the e-mail as saying they fired just meters away, when the actual e-mail said 350 meter on the hill tops above the camp.

Dont worry you are only a teenager ,when you are older ,you will lern to read the original source ,not the views of the site which reviews the source,one day you will have your own independant views.

[Nemesis6 0]

I'm not a teenager. I'm Satan, pure evil as you yourself said. Evil has no age.

Wait, hold on, I think I can still squeeze a contextually relevent insult in here - You're senile because you're old!

[deanosbeano 0]

back to war on terror and away from satan.(source please)

"You're senile because old!", not only am i senile and a hypocrit, i have also seen the nile and many other parts of the world, my views are not based on ,littlegreenfootballs and fox news .i only hope you too visit the world and free yourself from this insular view.

At what price the war on terror, its ironic that 14 were arrested in britian yesterday and today 14 uk servicemen died in afghanistan.

fooking sad days ,whenthese guys die ,fighting for some retards idea of a more stable world.

14 die in afghanistan