War against terror

[Nemesis6 0]

Oh no, I'm not letting this go. Evil doesn't just die down, you senile fool! You yourself declared that I'm pure evil and that I have an age. As I said, evil doesn't have an age, so... Yeah, that's pretty much it. NOW we can go onwards. By the way, onwards means forward or ahead, in case you forgot!

UK Police Search Islamic School

Quote[/b] ]Armed police have arrested 14 men following anti-terror raids in London, including 12 arrests at a restaurant in the Borough area.

Two people were held elsewhere in the city in what police said was an intelligence-led operation. Police said the arrests were not connected to the alleged transatlantic jet bomb plot or the 7 July attacks.

An Islamic school near Tunbridge Wells has also been searched as part of the same operation. The Jameah Islameah property, on Catt’s Hill near Crowborough, East Sussex, is an Islamic teaching facility for boys aged between 11 and 16.

According to its website the 54-acre premises also encourages Islamic groups to “appoint a person from your centre who wishes to serve the community and send them to us to be trainedâ€.

It also says these individuals will then become “qualified enough to teach in local Masajeds and Madaresâ€.

[deanosbeano 0]

Oh no, I'm not letting this go. Evil doesn't just die down, you senile fool! You yourself declared that I'm pure evil and that I have an age. As I said, evil doesn't have an age, so... Yeah, that's pretty much it.

ah well, i should thankyou for poving my point at least and also answering my question,i now see your own words are actualy so poor and full of obsenities you have to use fox and little greenfootballs in order to join in the debate.

[Nemesis6 0]

You know, I could bother reading the BBC, but I'm not going to. By the way, you didn't ask me any questions.

OH... speaking of stuff, you criticize me for reading Little Green Footballs and watching Fox. I don't watch Fox. But my point is this, with you linking to NaziMedia and Information Clearing House, isn't it a bit counterproductive to accuse me of prefering certain outlets of news over others? But then again, you yourself told me that I'm evil incarnate, so I'm pretty sure you're totally oblivious to the fact that you just shot yourself in the foot! :-)

Do you want me to repeat that? I'm not sure how far senility goes, so...

[Garcia 0]

You're senile because you're old!

What a shocker.

To your information, senile means old, therefor it's impossible to be old and not senile

[deanosbeano 0]

lol, your gonna base your view of an organisation because a local reporter wept at the death of arafat, i got news for you, all media organisations have people like this, besides if you see things like this everyday, you are bound to cry at the slightest thing

Quote[/b] ]Weekly Report: On Israeli Human Rights Violations in the Occupied Palestinian Territory

by Palestinian Centre for Human Rights Thursday, Aug. 31, 2006 at 7:40 AM

Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) Escalate Attacks on Palestinian Civilians and Property in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) 24 - 30 August 2006

30 Palestinians, including 3 children, a mentally disabled young man and a woman, were killed by IOF.

20 of the victims were killed by IOF in al-Shojaeya neighborhood in Gaza City.

3 of the victims were extra-judicially executed by IOF in the West Bank.

52 Palestinian civilians, including 18 children and a woman, were wounded by the IOF gunfire.

IOF launched a series of air strikes on a number of houses in the Gaza Strip.

3 houses were destroyed in Gaza City and Jabalya.

IOF conducted 40 incursions into Palestinian communities in the West Bank, and invaded al-Shojaeya neighborhood in Gaza City.

IOF arrested 50 Palestinian civilians in the West Bank, including 6 children.

IOF arrested a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council in Ramallah.

IOF arrested 7 Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.

IOF demolished 4 houses in Nablus.

IOF destroyed civilian property in al-Shojaeya neighborhood in Gaza City.

[Nemesis6 0]

Dude, are you really a total idiot? You're quoting information from nutjobs who call the IDF "IOF". And you criticize me for reading Little Green Footballs!

[Garcia 0]

Israel is occupying Palestine, therefor they are an occupation force, and therefor there isn't really anything wrong in calling them IOF as long as it's used about IDF forces which is operating in occupated areas...

[Nemesis6 0]

Stop digging, Garcia!

[Garcia 0]

Stop digging, Garcia!  

I'm not digging, you're just making a fuzz about everything. You use bloggers as source to "show" that BBC is biased, and then you reject a source because it uses IOF instead of IDF. You criticize others for one thing, and then you go do something that is as bad, if not worse...

oh, and if you got no arguments to support your claims/views, you just shout asshole/idiot/communist/anti-semite/socialist/etc...

[deanosbeano 0]

Ah the namecalling youngster ,with his insults calls me an idiot senile and whatever esle.

so now a person calls the idf ,iof "israeli occuyping forces", the whole text becomes meaningless.ah well , today i learned how right wing protege are educated to rebuff information .:).Pls tell me where i may get these rose coloured glasses.

relevance to terroism and the war on = , how are terroists bread and what makes them commit such acts of despair and abhorrence.

well i reckon some of the above would lead to it ,but never justify it.

[Nemesis6 0]

Deano, I think we all know who started the name calling. Or maybe I'm mistaking and everything I say is irrelevent because I'm a teenager. Oops, oh wait, that's your argument. Sorry. I guess I, TOO, am getting a little rusty up in the old think-box!

[deanosbeano 0]

Quote[/b] ]Deano, I think we all know who started the name calling.

nope please enlighten me, i do remember calling the Far right wing and far left wing , if you took this as a personal insult , i would have to say soemtimes there can be collateral damage when salvos are fired in the direction of large areas of people

[walker 0]

Hi all

Just a quick reminder this is the "War Against Terror" thread

Please feel free to make use of the >>>The Middle East Thread<<< for any discussions about the Semitic peoples civil war as that is probably the most appropriate thread.

Anyway getting this thread back on to this threads point. Fourteen UK military personel were killed in Afghanistan today.

Quote[/b] ]14 Britons killed in Afghanistan

Fourteen British service personnel have died after their aircraft crashed in Afghanistan, the MoD has said.

Twelve RAF personnel, a Royal Marine and an Army soldier were among those who died in the crash in the southern province of Kandahar.

The aircraft belonged to Nato-led international force against the Taleban.

UK Defence Secretary Des Browne said "all indications are that this was a terrible accident".

He added: "This is dreadful and shocking news. I know that the people of Britain will join me in sending our deep condolences to the loved ones of those who have lost their lives.

"I can say, however, at this stage all the indications are that this was a terrible accident and not the result of hostile action."

'Technical fault'

An International Security Assistance Force spokesman said "enemy action had been discounted at this stage".

It is believed the cause of the crash was "a technical fault"'

The BBC's Roland Buerk in Afghanistan said it was thought the aircraft was "some kind of troop transporter".

Nato forces say it was supporting the Nato mission in the area.

The defence analyst, Major Charles Heyman, told BBC News 24: "It's a black day. It's a disaster for our soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan.

"No other words can describe it. It's a big hit to morale. Believe me it really does affect morale." ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5308622.stm Follow link for the full story

This is where the any real war against Al Qaida is being fought. We should never have alowed the NeoConMen to drag us into the irelavency of Iraq.

If we had kept up the pressure in the begining instead of allowing ourselves to be side tracked by George Bush Junior's Iraq war; Al Qaida would already be dead along with Osama and its leaders and we would now be out of Afghanistan.

Afghanistan would be a stable nation but the NeoConMen seem to be messing up so much of our strategy that they and any that support them must be considered traitors.

An angry and sad walker

[Nemesis6 0]

You said the left were in denial and that the right was "just plain evil", which makes you in denial and me evil incarnate. By the way, I regard you discrediting everything I say because of my age as insulting. I don't care if you think I'm evil incarnated, but I love to pull you down from that pedestal of neutrality you always try to climb up on.

And as I said at the time - Being the personification of evil is worse than being in denial.

[deanosbeano 0]

Quote[/b] ]This is where the any real war against Al Qaida is being fought. We should never have alowed the NeoConMen to drag us into the irelavency of Iraq.

If we had kept up the pressure in the begining instead of allowing ourselves to be side tracked by George Bush Junior's Iraq war; Al Qaida would already be dead along with Osama and its leaders and we would now be out of Afghanistan.

Afghanistan would be a stable nation but the NeoConMen seem to be messing up so much of our strategy that they and any that support them must be considered traitors.

An angry and sad walker

I think the real war would be on the north of the border in Pakistan not in afghanistan personally,but whats a few mountains, The fact remains just like lebanon was a practice for Iran so was afghanistan a practice for iraq,Both iraq and afghanistan have gained nothing and infact made the world a more unsafe place to live.IMO

I wonder if this will be the end for Blair.

p.s i Have never said i was left or anywhere for that matter.young skywalker, the farce is strong in you.;)

[Nemesis6 0]

p.s i Have never said i was left or anywhere for that matter.young skywalker, the farce is strong in you.;)

You have, even though you probably haven't admitted to it. Check the past couple of pages for the sources you have used... They include -

NaziMedia(Also known as IndyMedia) <--- Leftist, extreme rightist

Information Clearing House <--- Extreme leftist

Palestinian Centre for Human Rights <--- Extreme leftist

Those are just the recent ones. I'm sure if I dig in, I'll find more of the likes. For more proof, just read the post and look at the general political leaning of your posts.

[deanosbeano 0]

Lol they trained you well young skywalker

Pls if you gonna paint a picture ,paint the whole picture, let me help you with your digging,

i have also linked ynetnews,littlegreenfootballs,jpost,harretz,foxnews.JDL,IDF-AF to name but a few.

one big difference ,i search all sides ,consider the source and if i feel there is some truth i will use, i do not consider sites i link on the whole to be reliable, but sometimes if a fact supports the view of said site,they will use it and it is invariably these sources i quote,altho not always.

and finally

there is no reason from me that you hve included yourself in my

rant of left and right, i will once again quote my position on yourself.

"you are neither left nor right you are the antagonist where the protagonist is the truth", and if it needed to be jstified ,read your response here and in the iraq thread over last days, so endeth the lesson .

The End

[Nemesis6 0]

Wait, I know what happened - You forgot that you're a leftist because of the whole senility thing, but that's all you forgot. And as a proper leftist, you shove your agenda in others' faces, that's one of the many things you haven't forgotten.

But still, I would bet that all the times you have linked to those sites you mention... oh, I don't know, you might, and I'm saying might, just have had an agenda. You quote them because they have something you, as a leftist, agree with, and that's all there is to it.

[Sophion-Black 0]

C'mon back on topic you two!

For reasons beyond my thinking ability, i have seen over and over that we are fighting al Queda. We are... but they're not the only terrorist organization out there.

observe, there is the Taliban, Ba'athist Iraq, Ba'ath Loyalists, Hezbollah, Waziristan tribesmen, Iraqi insurgency, Jemaah Islamiyah, and then there is Abu Sayyaf.

And not all campaigns are in the middle east either. There is also Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines, Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa, and others that do not involve US forces directly. And lets not foget that NATO did a few too.

[deanosbeano 0]

C'mon back on topic you two!

For reasons beyond my thinking ability, i have seen over and over that we are fighting al Queda. We are... but they're not the only terrorist organization out there.

observe, there is the Taliban, Ba'athist Iraq, Ba'ath Loyalists, Hezbollah, Waziristan tribesmen, Iraqi insurgency, Jemaah Islamiyah, and then there is Abu Sayyaf.

And not all campaigns are in the middle east either. There is also Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines, Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa, and others that do not involve US forces directly. And lets not foget that NATO did a few too.

Quote[/b] ]observe, there is the Taliban, Ba'athist Iraq, Ba'ath Loyalists, Hezbollah, Waziristan tribesmen, Iraqi insurgency, Jemaah Islamiyah, and then there is Abu Sayyaf.

And how many of these were considered an active terrorist organisation before the great war of freedom ?

The problem is alquaida commited the biggest single atrocity on U.S soil ever and yet ,hmm the U.S went and fought a war in Iraq over some pathetic made up evidence about WMD`s and let alquaida carry on in north afghanistan and pakistan and created even more terrorists,thats the point where i say,"For reasons beyond my thinking ability"

P.S i think you will find where possible in my defence i have tried to stick to the topic

[xawery 0]

Technically, this should belong in the ME thread, but seeings as some countries consider Hezbollah a terrorist organisation, there is some justification for writing this here.

Quote[/b] ]But no, that's not what I meant. Xawery, are you claiming claiming that this didn't happen? And why do you think it's unfounded? The episode was videotaped by U.N personel, and the U.N denied that they possessed the tape for as long as they could before finally admitting to having it.

I am certainly claiming that this did not happen the way the likes of IsraelInsider reported it. There are several reasons for this. First, look at the IsraelInsider article, specifically at the supposed interview with the Indian peacekeeper. Have you ever heard anyone express him/herself in this manner? The 'interview' reeks of a fabrication. To make things even more interesting, no other media outlet has published this interview. So Indian peacekeepers who illegally helped Hezbollah fighters, suddenly decided to share their story with a partisan Israeli media outlet? Of course... Incidentally (and conveniently), no sources were mentioned.

Second, there is no reason why the Indian military would want to help Hezbollah. Though India contains the largest amount of Muslims in the world, the Islamists are systematically marginalised. The Indian forces contain only 2% Muslims.

Third, the existence of the video tape was not known to the top UN brass. This lack of communication is indeed worthy of criticism. Incidentally, the video only shows UN troops surrendering confiscated vehicles to a superior Hezbollah force. The vehicles had been found a day before, some of them repainted as UN cars. All false UN markings and license plates had been removed (which has also been filmed), so the UN commander saw no need to risk his men's lives for a couple of cars. That's all. You can question his judgement, but in no way did the UN aid Hezbollah in kidnapping Israeli soldiers.

Fourth, the fact that the UN initially refused to release the tape, and eventually released it with the faces of Hezbollah fighters blurred, is entirely in compliance with peacekeeping rules. How do you expect a UN peacekeeping force to remain neutral if it releases footage of one of the fighting parties to the other party? It is one of the basic rules of peacekeeping: do not release any information about any fighting party. The fact that they DID release the footage eventually only shows how influential the Israeli government is within the international community (backed by the US, of course).

I really encourage you to read the official investigation into this occurance. Incidentally, I have some doubts about investigations performed by the organisation under investigation... However, the official investigation is much more plausible than all the wild theories circulating on right-wing blogs and 'media outlets'.

I have one question for you Nemesis6: would you even be willing to read a report that contradicts your convictions with regard to this supposed incident? This is an honest question, no strings attached.

I would like to add that I hadn't heard about this incident until you mentioned it. I wasn't inclined to exclude the possibility that it actually happened the way you describe it. After all, UN forces consist of humans, and humans are fallible. However, after doing the obligatory research, I came to the conclusion that the 'collaboration theory' was shaky at best, at least based upon the data I was able to find. I truly wonder whether you approach such subjects in the same manner. This is not a personal attack: I am genuinly curious.

I should note that all the times you posted false information which happens to coincide with your views have influenced my expectations...

[Nemesis6 0]

If you doubt IsraelInsider, read it here, instead - http://judaism.about.com/library/1_terrorism/bl_hardov_un.htm

You want to know what I think about it? Well, I can't know for sure if the U.N personel had prior knowledge, one thing, however, I can say: The U.N handled it very, very poorly. Poorly as in we're-hiding-something-poorly. Especially about the tape. And when I see pictures like this one, it makes the U.N look even less neutral. And then there's the whole Africa thing... I'm not going to mention all the cases of children/random people/whomever who're raped by U.N personel down there. Instead, I refer to that one story of U.N personel withholding food from locals in return for "sexual favors". The U.N is, to me, at the very best, a corrupt organization that's far from neutral, and that's why I'm inclined to believe that maybe, just maybe, the U.N knows more about that kidnapping than they're letting on.

[TrevorOfCrete 0]

the war on terror will never be won, fact. The only way to end it is to start talking to what the terrorist organisations want. Now some cant be dealt with, like the Taliban. But smaller groups and cause groups can be talked too, like Hezballa who are really more of a militia than a terrorist group anyway. Also can people please stop referencing from truereporting.com or whatever its called. its not true reporting at all, it just disagrees with everything the mainstream media says. Which itself is false reporting, its also clearly pro-israeli and american which also shows its not true fair as a real true reporting agency would be neutruel and tell both sides of a story rather than dismissing a side because the mainstream news shows that side.

[Nemesis6 0]

it just disagrees with everything the mainstream media says.

That's not true.

[RedLion 0]

The war on Terror will be won. Patience…we have been talking to Terrorist organizations for a very long time with little or no results. War has not been the only option and if you think it is, there is plenty of history lying around for that argument. I do not think the media has been playing a natural position here. If they have been, Please tell me how? When it comes to these Terrorist, there is a saying in my country. It’s in Spanish but when translated it means, 'Every Pig will have its Christmas" These fucking mass murderers are and will be seeing there fucking Christmas. Fact. FYI. For many Hispanic countries it is customary to roast a pig during the Christmas holiday.