Just out of curiosity

[Guest]

The Addon CD was done once before way back by a popular OFP site (blanking on the name.. it had alot of blue).  Does anyone remember the site and how successfull or unsuccesfull it was?

In my own opinion, I see an Addon CD as a good way to get the biggest and best addons (no betas) into players hands who dont browse the forums much, or have slow connections.

And I would never pay for an addon.

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

And the addons would be freely available for download, the charge would be only for posting and packaging, the CD's and a little extra for the effort, not the addons themselves.

Straight away that is a violation of the EULA. FileFront (or similar) is the only way I would pay for a CD, because I can be sure that the addon maker is receiving no money and violating the EULA.

Of course the other thing to do would be to talk to BIS/Codemasters  

*sighs* Yes....thankyou for demonstrating your intimate knowledge of the EULA....however the whole premise of this conversation....as stipulated in my original post is that assuming it IS legal...would you pay.

Most people so far have provided some very interesting input....keep it coming.

[The Frenchman 0]

It's funny cause Caucasus Crisis is preparing to sell their MOD...disgraceful

Didnt BIS say that all addons need to be free? (Sorry for my very no0bish question, I had a rough day, being picture day and all. )

[theavonlady 2]

@ Sep. 10 2003,02:01)]How are Caucasus Mod preparing to sell their mod?

Maybe they're incorporated in Chechnya. Go ahead and sue them!

[M9ACE 0]

I only play OFP online.  As it is now lots of people do not have the more common addons (like the MTCO addon pack 1, BAS addons, etc.).If we had a mission up on the server that requires a addon that someone would have to buy, it would be very rare to have people connect.  Free addons have more of a chance of being widely distributed and accepted for use online.

Another thing to keep in mind is that eventually someone might upload the addons on a server for anyone to download.

[Guest]

And the addons would be freely available for download, the charge would be only for posting and packaging, the CD's and a little extra for the effort, not the addons themselves.

Straight away that is a violation of the EULA. FileFront (or similar) is the only way I would pay for a CD, because I can be sure that the addon maker is receiving no money and violating the EULA.

Of course the other thing to do would be to talk to BIS/Codemasters  

*sighs* Yes....thankyou for demonstrating your intimate knowledge of the EULA....however the whole premise of this conversation....as stipulated in my original post is that assuming it IS legal...would you pay.

Most people so far have provided some very interesting input....keep it coming.

I wasn't quoting you, I was quoting Evis, who was starting a NEW line of thought. Go read his post....it is NOT the same as your first post.

*sigh*

[coporal_punishment 0]

@ Sep. 10 2003,02:01)]How are Caucasus Mod preparing to sell their mod?

Maybe they're incorporated in Chechnya. Go ahead and sue them!

YOu can sell addons as long as you buy the rights of BIS, I think it cost $10,000 then its up to you weather you make the profit

[Eviscerator 0]

Quote[/b] ]Straight away that is a violation of the EULA. FileFront (or similar) is the only way I would pay for a CD, because I can be sure that the addon maker is receiving no money and violating the EULA.

Im not sure how, it would still not be paying for the addons or any work, the little extra was for the person taking time out of his life to package the CD's, transfer them across from the hard drive, organize the postage, stamps etc, not the effort of addon making. But even so, i dont think we would consider doing anything illegal, so again assume that IF it was legal would you consider having mail order addons? And bear in mind they will also be available on the internet for free, this is to be honest more of a different subject than what Tigersharkis talking about, but i didnt feel the need to clutter up the forum with another thread, if the mods say that i should then i will.

And i think what a lot of you dont realize is that a lot of addon makers LOSE money by making the addons, for example in BAS we have someone that is self employed, and lost hundreds of pounds by not working because he was busy making an addon that the majority of the community loved.

Although, my proposal is something quite different from Tigersharks, mine isnt really about the money, more about providing a sevice for people who have trouble downloading the addons, we have had several requests for CD's to be sent to people, for example, one soldier serving in the US Army in Baghdad emailed us asking if we could send our addons to him, because he wasnt able to download them and missed playing with them, there have also been countless other emails requesting this. So even if the people reading this dont specifically need it, there is a large amount of people wanting this type of thing.

[Guest]

Yes...I know. I agree totally and have sent my share of CDs too. But the little extra is a problem I suspect...anyway I know I couldn't afford a team of lawyers to try and defend that in court, so it's not worth the risk

[ruff 102]

Quote[/b] ]Straight away that is a violation of the EULA. FileFront (or similar) is the only way I would pay for a CD, because I can be sure that the addon maker is receiving no money and violating the EULA.

Im not sure how, it would still not be paying for the addons or any work, the little extra was for the person taking time out of his life to package the CD's, transfer them across from the hard drive, organize the postage, stamps etc, not the effort of addon making. But even so, i dont think we would consider doing anything illegal, so again assume that IF it was legal would you consider having mail order addons? And bear in mind they will also be available on the internet for free, this is to be honest more of a different subject than what Tigersharkis talking about, but i didnt feel the need to clutter up the forum with another thread, if the mods say that i should then i will.

And i think what a lot of you dont realize is that a lot of addon makers LOSE money by making the addons, for example in BAS we have someone that is self employed, and lost hundreds of pounds by not working because he was busy making an addon that the majority of the community loved.

Although, my proposal is something quite different from Tigersharks, mine isnt really about the money, more about providing a sevice for people who have trouble downloading the addons, we have had several requests for CD's to be sent to people, for example, one soldier serving in the US Army in Baghdad emailed us asking if we could send our addons to him, because he wasnt able to download them and missed playing with them, there have also been countless other emails requesting this. So even if the people reading this dont specifically need it, there is a large amount of people wanting this type of thing.

i think as long as u can dowload it and not pay for the addon and pay only for the burnt cd the addon is in and shipment itll b alrite

as long as u can also dowload it! for free

i reckon the cd thing is only good for ppl with slow connections but they are all patient

its like every1 would dl a bas addon n e day doesnt matter how large it is

if they could get it on cd i think the person on 56k would just dl it overnite

but the guy in iraq serving u said i think it should b allowed

but i wouldnt understand y would he want to play with it

wen his in a REAL war and in OPERATION

but i guess ofp is just that good e.g. bas addons

[ruff 102]

@ Sep. 09 2003,09:55)]paying for addons having Bas quality ??

Hell yeah!  

Yet you voted "never". How curious....

that was to funny no to reply to

well my answer is never

[Hudson 0]

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Although, my proposal is something quite different from Tigersharks, mine isnt really about the money, more about providing a sevice for people who have trouble downloading the addons, we have had several requests for CD's to be sent to people, for example, one soldier serving in the US Army in Baghdad emailed us asking if we could send our addons to him, because he wasnt able to download them and missed playing with them, there have also been countless other emails requesting this. So even if the people reading this dont specifically need it, there is a large amount of people wanting this type of thing.

So let me get this correct, you want to screw us over (the ones with good connections, allways playing OFP, active members of the community...ie the people that actually play with your stuff) so that someone with a bad connection can get your addons? Why not setup some mambership only website where they have to pay a monthly membership fee or pay by the download? Your trying to pass the buck to the entire community for a couple of special cases. BAS makes great addons, one of the TOP 5 mod teams in my opinion. But your work still needs alot of improvement. Scripting in the BAS blackhawks is horrible on a linux server, alot of bugs and even more lag anytime a blackhawk is anywhere within 3500 meters of me ( using @ conditions in scripts is a very bad idea..). Alot of your addons also do not work on linux servers. If I was a paying customer I would start hell with you in a second over that. If you guys think you take flak now from the community over bugs and stuff just try charging for buggy work and see what types of comments that gets you. I really hope someone does try to sell their work and Suma and Maruk personaly put their ass to the grinder, make an example of of some of you that think your the greatest thing to hit OFP since the createVehicle command...

[Eviscerator 0]

Firstly, boy did you get the wrong end of the stick, what i was proposing is a service on the side that allows people to order a CD with all our addons on online via mail, it would not affect the free downloads in any way, people would still be able to download them. And they would be the same as the versions hosted online, also, in no way would we be charging for the addon, again, we have had repeated requests for a service of this type, so the demand in the community IS there.

Also, BAS will NOT be going payware in any way, i can say this as a certainty, everyone in the team considers this a bad idea, this thread was purely an inquiry by Tigershark into the community's reception to something like this.

As for bugs, show me one game, or any piece of software that comes without bugs, as noone on the BAS team has Linux, or has access to a linux server there was no way for us to test any bugs on Linux.

And please, lets not start bashing each others addons, or things really will start to get ugly.

[Hudson 0]

I wasnt bashing your addons evis, I think I remeber saying...

Quote[/b] ]BAS makes great addons, one of the TOP 5 mod teams in my opinion

And your right, nobody makes perfect code. I was saying your really funny if you think people wont bitch and complain if you start selling buggy addons.

[Guest]

People will always find something to bitch about!

Space Invaders was a pretty solid release I think......not many bugs...

[Dauragon 0]

As for bugs, show me one game, or any piece of software that comes without bugs, as noone on the BAS team has Linux, or has access to a linux server there was no way for us to test any bugs on Linux.

Pong, bugfree since ever

[Eviscerator 0]

And your right, nobody makes perfect code. I was saying your really funny if you think people wont bitch and complain if you start selling buggy addons.

I dont believe that at all, infact, if we learnt the meaning of life, people would bitch because we didnt tell them sooner, there is no winning, however, being able to offer a service to people that really do appreciate our addons and the hard work put into them, but just arent able to download them all is a very good idea in my opinion, its not really about the cash, yes it would help with server bills etc or various other things that are caused by long hours of addon making (bills etc), but its more about giving the people that really do appreciate our hard work something that may make their life easier.

The people that post on these forums represent about a tenth of the community, people in the addon section of the forums who regularly download addons may see no need for a service like this, and of course they are entitled to their own opinion, as are the hundreds of people that email us a month.

I think Tigershark's main reason for posting something inquiring about payware is because at the moment being an addon maker is rather depressing, we at bas probably spend thousands of man-hours of work on an addon, and the majority of the comments are praising, however there are still those that have no concept of the amount of work put in, no consideration for the feelings of the addon maker that make comments that pretty much ruin the whole thing for the addon maker, we do this for fun, we do this as a hobby and we do this as we enjoy the fact that we entertain people, however sometimes there is a feeling of very little thanks, and i think tigershark, and quite a few other members of BAS are pretty pissed at certain members of the community.

i know some of you probably think we have our head up our asses, think we're above you all, or have silly ideas of elitism, but its so far from the truth its not even funny, we make addons FOR the community, not to make ourselves feel good.

[Schoeler 0]

I would never pay for an addon. I would however donate money to a mod team or to a website.

[Guest]

we make addons FOR the community, not to make ourselves feel good.

That's a shame. I make addons to make myself feel good You can't please all of the people all of the time (so just please yourself)

[Hudson 0]

That's a shame. I make addons to make myself feel good   You can't please all of the people all of the time (so just please yourself)  

Amen! If you ever find yourself trying to please all the people all the time you may have an underlying self-esteem problem that needs medical attention

[waffendennis 0]

Hey just let me say this:

You put Price on it...I'l buy it and give it to Comunity for free...You get angry on me....No problem i'l just Boycot your work...And thats how we work

[Hudson 0]

Hey just let me say this:

You put Price on it...I'l buy it and give it to Comunity for free...You get angry on me....No problem i'l just Boycot your work...And thats how we work  

Shhh, I said something like this and it was 5 mins before Hellfish6 had sent me a PM letting me know that I had just posted "warez" material and not to do it again. I agree with him so lets not talk any more of this

[theavonlady 2]

Hey just let me say this:

You put Price on it...I'l buy it and give it to Comunity for free...You get angry on me....No problem i'l just Boycot your work...And thats how we work  

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[ZIKAN 0]

No I wouldnt pay for any add-ons.

I download new add-ons virtually every week. Some like the BAS stuff always stays in my add ons folder, but most stay there for about a  week, then when I have had my fun with them,  they are erased or stored on a cd-rom to collect dust.

With all due respect the 'current BAS stuff' will be superceeded as the 'darling add-ons' of the communty eventually, either by BAS themselves or by another existing, or upcomming mod team. My point is that why pay for a good add-on that only gets used  a few times a month because of the lack of fantastic well made missions to do them justice. As a community we should also be praising and encouraging the few (IMO) talented missions makers out there to create fabulous new missions. Add-on makers get a raw deal sometimes? yes they do, but so do the missions makers out there....

If Mods teams start thinking or wanting to charge money for their add-ons,  then they should seriously consider getting out of OFP all together and make a new whole game from scratch, then we will see how good you are, and then maybe we would pay you, only if it was good of course

and we can make add ons for it  

[rat 0]

i recon the problem would be that while BAS has become the benchmark for OFP addons any commercial addons would have to be an order of magnitude better.

i realise that our community seems intent on making the impossible possible but come on....better than BAS?!!!!!

and as for those of us venting less than helpful criticism...its all subjective..

we can offer nothing more than opinion in the forums so lets keep in mind that free speech has a price.