denoir 0 Posted September 7, 2003 Who provides the logistics? And what kind of ROE is in place now in Congo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 7, 2003 Who provides the logistics? And what kind of ROE is in place now in Congo? i personnaly have no idea about that , Bals ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanctuary 19 Posted September 7, 2003 Good luck on this mission in Congo Balschoiw. My best wishes for the safety of your squad during that mission. Come back in a good state Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted September 7, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Who provides the logistics? And what kind of ROE is in place now in Congo? The logistics are split atm. South african forces provide logistics for transporting goods on ground and russian Ilyushin 76´s provide airtransported goods. The Uruguay contingent "operating" in Congo are a bit scared atm. They are not leaving their garrison in Bunia. The UN logistics base in Brindisi, in southern Italy is coordinating UN forces logistics, but EU troop contingents will have their own logistics to be set up. The United Nations is still short much of the needed equipment, such as helicopters and large aircraft. The United States has said it won’t contribute ground troops, but may provide logistics support. Right now the UN forces in Congo are building up. The first observers and logistical support staff are already in the country. It still will take four to six months for the full strength of 5,537 to arrive. The ROE´s are pretty simple right now. Don´t shoot until shot upon. We know that, don´t we Anyway it looks like the ROE´s will be changed once we the disarming ops start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 7, 2003 I hope for your sake that you will get French field rations Quote[/b] ]The ROE´s are pretty simple right now. Don´t shoot until shot upon. We know that, don´t we Anyway it looks like the ROE´s will be changed once we the disarming ops start. What about third party interference and the protection of civilians? Do you have the mandate to protect civilians from militia attacks? I've only operated under a very open ROE, but I've heard stories from people who were with UNPROFOR in Bosnia in '93-95. Apparently it was a very unpleasant situation as the UN troops were forced to watch people getting slaughtered without being able to intervene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted September 7, 2003 Quote[/b] ]What about third party interference and the protection of civilians? Do you have the mandate to protect civilians from militia attacks? The official ROE´s for this mission do not include the protection of civillians, but this is a stretchy issue you know. Urugay troops in Congo had no authority or will to interfere but the french did with a show of military strength and presence. That seemed to work, at least in the regions where they patrolled. I am sure that the EU ROE´s and the UN ROE´s will be changed once the mission starts rolling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turms 0 Posted September 7, 2003 best of luck Bals, come back in one piece Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 7, 2003 I've heard stories from people who were with UNPROFOR in Bosnia in '93-95. Apparently it was a very unpleasant situation as the UN troops were forced to watch people getting slaughtered without being able to intervene. hell . yeah , very "unpleasant" as you already know , i've had the occasion to serve under the UNPROFOR and the IFOR , and i can assure you it was two completely different things Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HotShot 0 Posted September 7, 2003 Wasn't it Congo where that film is with all those Crazy Monkeys? (im not stupid, i do relise they were infact men in costumes, but still, not something to think about, maybe their are man eating gurillas, u never know.) Also dont some of the tribes there stick heads on spikes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted September 7, 2003 Also dont some of the tribes there stick heads on spikes? You must be mixed up with the Tower Of London. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 7, 2003 hell . yeah , very "unpleasant"as you already know , i've had the occasion to serve under the UNPROFOR and the IFOR , and i can assure you it was two completely different things Yeah I know. KFOR has a similar ROE to the one that IFOR had (and SFOR has now). It's a good ROE that allows the peacekeepers to do their job and the commanders to take military initiative if it is required. UNPROFOR was a completely different story where maintaining status quo was the holy grail. A close friend of mine served with UNPROFOR and he had serious emotional and psychological problems when he returned. I hope that the UN doesn't make the same mistake in Congo. At least judging from the French actions so far it doesn't look like there will be problems with the ROE. I suppose it is in a way easier (politically) operating in Africa than it is in Europe. In ex-Yugoslavia all the sides had traditional allies so everything done was not allowed to offend the British, the Russians, the French, the Germans etc etc which resulted in a lame-ass overall policy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 7, 2003 hell . yeah , very "unpleasant"as you already know , i've had the occasion to serve under the UNPROFOR and the IFOR , and i can assure you it was two completely different things Yeah I know. KFOR has a similar ROE to the one that IFOR had (and SFOR has now). It's a good ROE that allows the peacekeepers to do their job and the commanders to take military initiative if it is required. UNPROFOR was a completely different story where maintaining status quo was the holy grail. A close friend of mine served with UNPROFOR and he had serious emotional and psychological problems when he returned. I hope that the UN doesn't make the same mistake in Congo. At least judging from the French actions so far it doesn't look like there will be problems with the ROE. I suppose it is in a way easier (politically) operating in Africa than it is in Europe. In ex-Yugoslavia all the sides had traditional allies so everything done was not allowed to offend the British, the Russians, the French, the Germans etc etc which resulted in a lame-ass overall policy. with the UNPROFOR mandate , all the peacekeepers (including me) had a big bad stick up their ass preventing them from doing anything , thus causing the impossibility to fullfill our mission of protection of the civilian population it was a real shame ..... and i've had my lot of emotionnal problems too when i got back , i'm sure this mission has marked more or less deeply all those who've participated and you're right about the political aspect , but for those like me , laying in the bosnian mud , counting corpses in burned houses with a big blue pot on the head shouting "SHOOT ME" , politics where kilometers above their head Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RED 0 Posted September 7, 2003 Good lucks Bals and have a safe stay mate I will be ready to kick your ass online when you get back RED Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 7, 2003 and you're right about the political aspect , but for those like me , laying in the bosnian mud , counting corpses in burned houses with a big blue pot on the head shouting "SHOOT ME" , politics where kilometers above their head Yeah and that was the problem: the military was micromanaged by the politicians. IFOR and later organizations brought the change that the politicians set the overall goals but delegated the enforcement to it to a real military organization. That's the way it was in KFOR too. The UN beaurocracy was completely separated from KFOR. No blue helmets in KFOR The big problem in Kosovo were the KPC (Kosovo Protection Corps), but that's another story. And that's why I'm fairly optimistic about Congo. Apparently the lesson has been learned. The military is in charge of military operations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted September 7, 2003 I just got a funny idea. As you may know we have our own server running and today would be regular trainings. I will be there tonight to play last time online with my comrades. If you are interested in joining us today for gaming, have 1.92 installed and maybe FDF mod. The training will start at 9pm CET (GMT+1) You will see the IP adress of server on our homepage. It would be fun if some of you had the time to join me for the last online OFP game for a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted September 7, 2003 Good luck Balschoiw, remember to keep a cool head when things heat up. Should be interesting... We all expect to see you back, don't forget that either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NurEinMensch 0 Posted September 7, 2003 Good luck Balschoiw! Take care! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedyDonkey 0 Posted September 7, 2003 I just got a funny idea.As you may know we have our own server running and today would be regular trainings. I will be there tonight to play last time online with my comrades. If you are interested in joining us today for gaming, have 1.92 installed and maybe FDF mod. The training will start at 9pm CET (GMT+1) You will see the IP adress of server on our homepage. It would be fun if some of you had the time to join me for the last online OFP game for a while. I'm in. (if someone lets me in, that is) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr burns 132 Posted September 7, 2003 I just got a funny idea.As you may know we have our own server running and today would be regular trainings. I will be there tonight to play last time online with my comrades. If you are interested in joining us today for gaming, have 1.92 installed and maybe FDF mod. The training will start at 9pm CET (GMT+1) You will see the IP adress of server on our homepage. It would be fun if some of you had the time to join me for the last online OFP game for a while. I'm in. (if someone lets me in, that is) Â Me too...if i find the server Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted September 7, 2003 Quote[/b] ]The mission will take at least 90 days. I hope to see you all lined up when I return sure. just don't be surprised when you see us running around like headless chickens. and for love of god, please do not beat French troops. Mercy is greatly appreciated. good luck with your platoon level leadership. i'm sure you'll make a fine one. just don't shoot your boys when clearing a villa . but i have no doubt that you'll be far better than some *certain other* who messed up his excercise ** There's one Swedish spec-op unit operating in Congo, SSG (Special Protection Group, that consists only of officers and they're from all branches of the military), but I have no idea what they're up to. Quote[/b] ]I hope for your sake that you will get French field rations you mean the one that is laced so that it keeps guys away from being horny and jump on each other? (see military stupidity thread for relevence of this comment) again, goo dlucks Bals. **was the armored section leader's fault. he disobeyed orders to hold. but then again, who would obey him? j/k j/k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted September 7, 2003 There's one Swedish spec-op unit operating in Congo, SSG (Special Protection Group, that consists only of officers and they're from all branches of the military), but I have no idea what they're up to. LOL. You are never going to stop this, are you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badgerboy 0 Posted September 7, 2003 Good luck Bals, watch out for the local 'wildlife'. Congrats on the command as well! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iNeo 0 Posted September 7, 2003 So what kind of information do you get on your pocket pc using that iridium thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
