Schoeler 0 Posted August 12, 2003 A British citizen of Indian descent was arrested in an FBI sting operation in New Jersey trying to sell Russian man-portable surface to air missiles. Breaking news on CNN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted August 12, 2003 Note to self- cancel start-up business venture "Strelas For A Song" Incorporated... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted August 12, 2003 Note to self, don't call firendly guy with stuff in New Jersey tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted August 12, 2003 Quote[/b] ]An administration official said the man was an arms dealer and that no terrorism was involved. Sources said the man appeared to have been motivated solely by profit. The sources said the shoulder-fired missile was never delivered, but a separate law enforcement source told CNN the missile was successfully smuggled into the United States on a ship that went from Russia to New Jersey. That law enforcement source said the man was in the United States to complete the transaction and pick up his money. Two additional arrests are expected, the source said. The man was arrested in Newark, New Jersey, in an FBI sting that involved the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, sources said. good thing that was not my shipment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted August 12, 2003 Man, I knew we should have invaded Britain instead of Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schoeler 0 Posted August 12, 2003 Dang Brits! Â Watch out, Georgie's gonna send in the Marines to eliminate your WMD spreading evil regime. :P Edit: Tex, LMAO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schoeler 0 Posted August 12, 2003 Quote[/b] ]An administration official said the man was an arms dealer and that no terrorism was involved. Sources said the man appeared to have been motivated solely by profit. The sources said the shoulder-fired missile was never delivered, but a separate law enforcement source told CNN the missile was successfully smuggled into the United States on a ship that went from Russia to New Jersey. That law enforcement source said the man was in the United States to complete the transaction and pick up his money. Two additional arrests are expected, the source said. The man was arrested in Newark, New Jersey, in an FBI sting that involved the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, sources said. good thing that was not my shipment. Ralph, I didn't know they made airsoft Strelas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nathanz 0 Posted August 12, 2003 Man, I knew we should have invaded Britain instead of Iraq. Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted August 12, 2003 It would  be too hard seeing as the  most resistance u would get would be ppl holding sticks and rocks and  in the unlikely event that someone had something more powerful and defended the island  they`d then  be arrested for defending their home and put in jail  or u could take the asylum route and just all come  in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schoeler 0 Posted August 12, 2003 It would  be too hard seeing as the  most resistance u would get would be ppl holding sticks and rocks and  in the unlikely event that someone had something more powerful and defended the island  they`d then  be arrested for defending their home and put in jail  or u could take the asylum route and just all come  in New WMD found in Britain deters Yankee invaders from occupying the isle for prolonged period! http://www.g4cio.demon.co.uk/bpudding/pudding.htm WMD: Weapons of Mass Disgustion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shashman 0 Posted August 12, 2003 Ahhh...Good Ol' Blighty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necromancer- 0 Posted August 12, 2003 I wonder how he declared that at the U.S. Customs. SAM... as in Uncle Sam? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted August 13, 2003 I wonder how he declared that at the U.S. Customs. Â SAM... as in Uncle Sam? Â "Something to declare sir?" "Uhm ... no ... *moves strella to others shoulder* not really. Why ask?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted August 13, 2003 No no sir, it's just for Air to Air defense in case we get attacked by terrists while on the trans Atlantic flight, I'll pop the door open and fire one off. Heck everyone should have one of these. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted August 13, 2003 Ralph, I didn't know they made airsoft Strelas. uh...yeah...airsoft.... from what i heard from a local news. this was a sting operation. the FBI had the arms dealer under surveilance, and sent in a FBI agent disguised as an Arab, and made the deal. but not sure on how true this report is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killagee 0 Posted August 13, 2003 Hang on... The FBI poses as a terrorist and manages to buy an Ingla SAM off a british arms dealer, who knew that it would be used to kill people. Sure the guy should be strung up and quartered. Who did Pinochet pose as when the US sold him helicopters, fighters, Guns ammo and trained his soldiers? " Um... they are for decorative purposes only...." Heres a joke... A turkish man walks into a bar... and walks away with brand new F-16C/D Block 50's that he promises to use to fertilse the crops of picturesque Kurdish villages... or Indonesia.... etc etc Hypocricy I reckon. No Flame intended, but I have had a bad day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted August 13, 2003 Okay... so we should let international gun-runners off the hook because we've got some bad karma in the department? I've got news for you, buddy: every country that exports weapons of war have sold them to less than savory characters at one point or another. However, arms smuggling always has been and continues to be a big giant no-no in the big book of international trade laws. Oh yeah, and one more thing: . I don't see you getting down on the German government for cracking down on anti-Semitism. After all, what business do they have reversing a bad policy? They're eeeeeevil Seriously though, how low have you sunk when you start criticizing us for upholding the law? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted August 13, 2003 I think he more meant it the other way around: that it's too bad that other cases weren't pursued as vigilantly as this one. Anyway, an Igla is a formidable weapon that could easily take down a passenger jet at takeoff or landing. Or Bush's plane. But then taking the missile all the way to America would have been pointless. Just shoot him down when he's visiting Europe - less distance to smuggle the missile. One serious thing though was the fact that the missile was already in Baltimore. Who knows how many more weapons like this are being traded.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killagee 0 Posted August 13, 2003 I think he more meant it the other way around: that it's too bad that other cases weren't pursued as vigilantly as this one. Exactly Denoir. Take the Canoe out of your arse for a minute Tex, the US has lots of competition when is comes to selling Killing Machines to undesirables. Sweden, England, South Africa, Russia ( gotta be the worst yes?) Germany, France, Belgium... etc etc. I find the black market weapons trade scary as hell. The "legitimate" weapon sales are scary too. The FBI agent is reported to have said " I want this to blow up something big " to the British Arms Dealer in Question, which shows that the Dealer was totally aware of its intended use. Unlike the the owner of the gun shop that sells an automatic weapon to the guys who says "I hunt entire herds of deer at once.." Then goes on a killing spree... But if your going to sell weaponry to a dictator who is known to be torturing and executing his political and ideological enemies at the time of sale... How can that not be questionable? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted August 13, 2003 But the canoe's been their for so long, it's like an old friend... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted August 13, 2003 anyways, the more news is that the AA tube was a dud and was planted by Russian authorities. so Russia was in with this investigation and was cooperating with US. heard UK was involved too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted August 13, 2003 So it was a big sting, basically. Good to see some international cooperation- props to all involved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted August 13, 2003 anyways, the more news is that the AA tube was a dud and was planted by Russian authorities. so Russia was in with this investigation and was cooperating with US. heard UK was involved too. Humzzz does a strela have enough to blow up something big that isnt an airplane? I was under the impression that the warhead on those things isnt VERY strong. I heard stories of IDF F-4 Phantoms taking multiple hits from older soviet shoulder launched SAM's and still making it home. Passenger planes wouldnt be as strong as a Phantom offcourse as they are not designed to be shot at. But a building would be pretty safe right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamme 0 Posted August 13, 2003 I heard about this in the news, but I wasn't listening so I just thought that it's Al-Qaeda or something, but they were english. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum1 0 Posted August 13, 2003 Anyway, an Igla is a formidable weapon that could easily take down a passenger jet at takeoff or landing. Or Bush's plane. I thought Air Force One had automatically activated (?) countermeasure systems? But a regular passenger jet would probably be an easy target for an Igla. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites