Airwolf 50 Posted August 9, 2003 I just hope he doesnt take away all the fun in guns like our current politicians here in california are doing... we cant even buy an Ar-15 anymore! and our stupid polititions want to make any gun with a bayonet lug an assault rifle.... that means that my K-98 and my musket are now assault rifles... If he supports gun control to keep the kids safe, and if he supports some type of gun awareness program for the kids, which is what he is mostly aiming at, is education and children i think, then that would be ok, but if california politions continue to bend the 2nd ammendment and steal our freedom to bear arms, i sware i'll move to idaho or something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted August 9, 2003 http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/Gun laws for California. They suck. hehehe...come to Australia sometime, if you think those gun laws suck... or maybe stop by in the UK on ur way there:;): Airwolf aren`t they trying to pass more rules over there to widen the "assault weapon" catagory I think they were trying to do the same thing over here only it was for airguns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted August 9, 2003 Why are some people so crazy about guns? Want to kill someone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted August 9, 2003 Why are some people so crazy about guns? Want to kill someone? In the US they call it their rights to defend themselves. 2nd amendment rights. I can understand them (high crime-rate). If only our constitution would allow us to "defend" ourselves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted August 9, 2003 And don't forget all them damn furrinners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted August 9, 2003 In the US they call it their rights to defend themselves. 2nd amendment rights. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentii[/url])]Amendment II A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. I know that, but why do they need automatic guns for this purpose? Wouldn't be Stingers more efficient in these times? SCNR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted August 9, 2003 I understand your point and I understand theirs too. If I was to protect my home I'd want a short combat-pump-action shotgun or a smg (full-auto) (spit out as many bullets as possible), but as carry I'd rather have a semi-auto pistol (as portable as possible). When it comes to the "assault-weapon" ban the politicians don't know diddley shit. They pretty much give a weapon "assault-weapon" status if it looks mean. For instance: they consider the HK SL-8 a sporting rifle. -buy some SL-8 accessories to make it look 100% like a G36 and they consider it an assault-weapon (it's still the same rifle, only the looks has changed, all rifle-specs remain the same). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted August 9, 2003 If only our constitution would allow us to "defend" ourselves Norwegians with guns, now that's a new one. It would delay my planned invasionf for oh, I don't know... 15 minutes Quote[/b] ]In the US they call it their rights to defend themselves. 2nd amendment rights. I can understand them (high crime-rate). It's intended to make two things possible: 1) Defense against the King/Queen of England 2) Overthrowing the government What a devious thing the US constitution is! It's not just that it isn't changable but those that wrote it made sure to arm the people in case somebody would try to change it. They knew that they could count on the dogmatism of the people. Anybody who tries to change the country is an enemy of the people.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted August 9, 2003 If only our constitution would allow us to "defend" ourselves Norwegians with guns, now that's a new one. It would delay my planned invasionf for oh, I don't know... 15 minutes  I meant defending against a domestic threat, home-invasion, on the streets... criminals etc.... You are still envious of our oil, aren't you? Only a fool would go up against Norway like that, cus when he do, he goes up against NATO due to the tactical position of Norway Are you a fool, Denoir? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted August 9, 2003 They knew that they could count on the dogmatism of the people. Anybody who tries to change the country is an enemy of the people.. I see! That's why liberals are hunted down, right? Imo it's more dangerous to let untrained people bear arms. Shot dead by your own weapon just because the evil burglar was faster... Well, other countries, other manners... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted August 9, 2003 Imo it's more dangerous to let untrained people bear arms. Shot dead by your own weapon just because the evil burglar was faster... In Norway you are required to be a member of a gun-club to keep arms. That usually mean that you shoot alot more frequent than the cops do... For instance; last saturday there were two cops at the range. They shoot Glock 17's (and they're crap at it). I've only shot handguns for 3 years. Meaning: I'm not very good at it IMO. I joined them shooting some bowling-pins and pepper-poppers. They did'nt even bother trying the bowling-pins as they thought they were too small targets. They were impressed by my shooting because I hit the bowling-pins on a 30-meter range. And I was'nt shooting a match-gun. It was the Beretta and the SOCOM. Would you be afraid of them if your life depended on them in a fire-fight? I would  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted August 9, 2003 You are still envious of our oil, aren't you?  Only a fool would go up against Norway like that, cus when he do, he goes up against NATO due to the tactical position of Norway Not at all, I'll just explain that you are separatists and that you have oil. That's more than enough to justify a liberation  Quote[/b] ]Are you a fool, Denoir?  We were good-hearted fools to let you go. You see we thought that if we left you on your own that you would mature, drop that silly dialect of yours, embrace Swedish and come home. While a free upbringing has its benefits children need a certain amount of discipline. We failed you by letting you go, but we won't do it again.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brgnorway 0 Posted August 9, 2003 If only our constitution would allow us to "defend" ourselves Well, you are allowed to defend yourself - but in a reasonable way. Most norwegians would prefer not to arm themselves, and with good reasons too. Not many criminals who offend ordinary citizens carry guns. Most criminal acts are simple thefts and breaking in to peoples homes such as in easter holidays and such. If carriyng a gun for personal protection was more generally appreciated - most criminals would do the same. The violent use of guns would only increase if more guns are to be carried around. After all, Norway is one of the densest "gun populated" nations in the world. Surely a good thing when Sweden comes for our oil. How ironic it must be for Denoir to be shot at by rifles produced in a former colony (Tikka and Sako) . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted August 9, 2003 Imo it's more dangerous to let untrained people bear arms. Shot dead by your own weapon just because the evil burglar was faster... In Norway you are required to be a member of a gun-club to keep arms. That usually mean that you shoot alot more frequent than the cops do... For instance; last saturday there were two cops at the range. They shoot Glock 17's (and they're crap at it). I've only shot handguns for 3 years. Meaning: I'm not very good at it IMO. I joined them shooting some bowling-pins and pepper-poppers. They did'nt even bother trying the bowling-pins as they thought they were too small targets. They were impressed by my shooting because I hit the bowling-pins on a 30-meter range. And I was'nt shooting a match-gun. It was the Beretta and the SOCOM. Would you be afraid of them if your life depended on them in a fire-fight? I would  I`d rather i wasnt put in a position where i  had to depend on them rather than myself in the first place. U guys should be kicking up a fuss about these silly laws,look what happened over here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted August 9, 2003 Surely a good thing when Sweden comes for our oil. How ironic it must be for Denoir to be shot at by rifles produced in a former colony (Tikka and Sako) . No, no, no. You have it completely wrong. "Colony" is such a negative term. We don't see you as a colony. You are like a lost son (well, actually Finland is more like a lost son and Norway more like a lost daughter ). We don't care about your oil, we care about you. Finland has no oil, and we would welcome them back to our Swedish family in the blink of an eye. We would even welcome our ex-wife Denmark to come back under the roof of the Sweden family! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted August 9, 2003 We had this discussion in another thread already (twice). Denoir trusts his government implicitly, because- I dunno. For someone as intelligent as he is, such a large blind spot is odd. Anyhow, maybe I'm just less socially evolved, but in my book, it's still okay to take care of yourself, sans governmental interference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted August 9, 2003 Call it experience. 200 years of peace and prosperity tends to keep the paranoia away. Perhaps it's naive but I see a country as a collective working together, helping each other, not trying to fuck each other over. Sure, bad governments can come into power, but a democracy has many safeguards to prevent them from doing any serious damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted August 9, 2003 Sure, bad governments can come into power, but a democracy has many safeguards to prevent them from doing any serious damage. Like the recall Or should I say- Total Recall?!?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted August 9, 2003 Call it experience. 200 years of peace and prosperity tends to keep the paranoia away. Perhaps it's naive but I see a country as a collective working together, helping each other, not trying to fuck each other over. Sure, bad governments can come into power, but a democracy has many safeguards to prevent them from doing any serious damage. Although over a period of time that can be changed for the worse Maybe the ppl in sweden have the social foundations to allow what ur saying to work. Im sticking with tex and on those issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted August 9, 2003 Really though, all of this extraneous media hype and bullshit will be worth it just to hear someone say that this election "Began the Schwarzeneggerian era in American politics" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted August 9, 2003 Who are the other ppl running alongside arnold apart from gary and larry and what is the GOP that was mentioned earlier in this thread ? Its f unny that in the demolition man it mentions that he became p[resident,what do u think the chances of this are in the future and is it worth making a bet with the bookies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted August 9, 2003 Who are the other ppl running alongside arnold apart from gary and larry and what is the GOP that was mentioned earlier in this thread  ?Its f unny that in the demolition  man  it mentions that he became p[resident,what do u think the chances of this are in the future and is it worth making a  bet with the bookies GOP= Grand Old Party= Republican Party. Anyhow, some of the others running include: Larry Flynt of Hustler fame, a sumo wrestler (I kid you not), and a porn star. Did I mention that the rest of the US has met at the tribal council and decided to vote California off the continent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winters 1 Posted August 9, 2003 I want a T-Shirt Well now that Fake-President Bush has given Arnie his endorsement do you think thats good or bad for AHHH-nold? Funny thing, last night i am watching the NY Yankees game and as he likes to do from time to time, Former Mayor Rudy (we really, really, miss you) Guiliani was in the broadcast both and they asked him what did he think of this and he says "Well, thats California for you" he also went on to say that allowing a recall with such a small amount of signatures is wrong and should be changed. Winters 4 Prez' in '04 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted August 9, 2003 whos mayor of NY now ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
