Want 12 mbit/s ? move to japan

[Dauragon 0]

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/15/1847212

for a simple 21$ a month

     

[mr. Duck 0]

Later, when I finish college, if not then I'll move to the U.S. or another country. I'll imigrate anyway.

[Akira 0]

Later, when I finish college, if not then I'll move to the U.S. or another country. I'll imigrate anyway.  

Don't move here...we're all sorts of fugged up. (The US)

[ralphwiggum 6]

well, i'm pretty sure Hokkaido mod is having fun....

while my POS jack ass ISP is having some problem...all thanx to legalized local monopoly...

[denoir 0]

Japan?   Move to Sweden. I have a 100 Mbit/s line and I pay 20 €/month.

Quote[/b] ]Softbank, in Japan, has built a gigabit ethernet network to replace DSL over ATM, which costs peanuts to maintain and run

Gigabit net? The basement of my building is hooked up by optical fiber to the base net that is 1,6 terrabit.

If your building isn't connected by optical, you can always get a 21 Mbit/s ADSL. That runs parallel over the phone and you can get it anywhere in Sweden. I think the cost is something like 25 €/month.

[dusand 0]

I want just some shitty ADSL!!! It will be available in 2004, in our small stupid city (in our small stupid country). I want ADSL! Is it so difficult?

[mr. Duck 0]

Quote[/b] ]I have a 100 Mbit/s line and I pay 20 €/month

WTF? That fast for just 20 euro's? I'm paying something like 30 euro's for this crappy broadband of mine, with some nasty side-effects like not being able to log on from time to time.

But it's not just for the internet that I want to go to Japan, I just want to go there for multiple reasons (food, landscape, culture...)

And in case of the US, I hope I could work for a major aviation-company like boeing or lockheed martin (really hoping).

[Milkman 1]

Hah, you think your broadband sucks? I get 300ms ingame ping! And thats on a server that is actually in my country!

My broadband was good, for maybe a month, then everyone else in my neighborhood got the same great idea and now I get downloads at a whopping 14 kb/sec!

[Dauragon 0]

Quote[/b] ]I have a 100 Mbit/s line and I pay 20 €/month

WTF? That fast for just 20 euro's? I'm paying something like 30 euro's for this crappy broadband of mine, with some nasty side-effects like not being able to log on from time to time.  

But it's not just for the internet that I want to go to Japan, I just want to go there for multiple reasons (food, landscape, culture...)  

And in case of the US, I hope I could work for a major aviation-company like boeing or lockheed martin (really hoping).

Anime, video games, technology, cheap digital hardware,

asian chicks

[toadlife 3]

Quote[/b] ]I have a 100 Mbit/s line and I pay 20 €/month

100mbit? A DS3 which is 45mbit costs around $10,000 per month in the U.S.. Are you sure you are quoting the right speed?

[mr. Duck 0]

Quote[/b] ]Anime, video games, technology, cheap digital hardware,

asian chicks

Anime - not that big fan, only intersted in that jinroh (or something like that).

Video games - NO thanks, I only like realistic military simulations. And it seems that they only come from the western world (not been searching that hard in Japan tough)

Asian chicks - Hey, I'm Asian (for real)

Only thing is... I need to learn the damn language... A well, I made a start...

@milkman

How much do you pay for that crappy stuff of yours?

[Frisbee 0]

Moving to Japan for faster connections is BS,like denoir gave a great example,go to Skandinavia(sp?).

Mobile or static connections are great there,and any new technology seems to be implemented there,when all the rest of us drool over the specs and have to wait at least half a decade.

Japan,however does have some other perks.

-Anime/manga (junkie)

-Games (RPG junkie,importing does get expensive)

-Asian chicks (half Asian myself,and I don't have a particular fetish for Asian chicks)

-Cheap electronics (I could buy the stuff I can only drool over from this side)

I'll stick to Europe though,Japan is a tad expensive (cities anyway) and it'd be way too much adjustment.

[denoir 0]

Quote[/b] ]I have a 100 Mbit/s line and I pay 20 €/month

100mbit? A DS3 which is 45mbit costs around $10,000 per month in the U.S.. Are you sure you are quoting the right speed?

Yepp. A movie (approx 600 mb) takes about one or two minutes to download from other people with 100 mbit lines.

Usually however it's the other side that's limiting. Generally 10 Mbit are the most common here, but more and more are getting 100 Mbit lines.

Microsoft has very fast servers. I've come up to 10 mbyte/s when downloading from them

I'm thinking about getting a 3G phone. Then I'll have a 2 Mbit mobile connection (they're planning to upgrade it to 11 Mbit next year). Screw fixed connections, wireless is the future

[Dauragon 0]

Quote[/b] ]I have a 100 Mbit/s line and I pay 20 €/month

100mbit? A DS3 which is 45mbit costs around $10,000 per month in the U.S.. Are you sure you are quoting the right speed?

Yepp. A movie (approx 600 mb) takes about two minutes to download from other people with 100 mbit lines.

Smart

[Warin 0]

Quote[/b] ]I have a 100 Mbit/s line and I pay 20 €/month

100mbit? A DS3 which is 45mbit costs around $10,000 per month in the U.S.. Are you sure you are quoting the right speed?

Yepp. A movie (approx 600 mb) takes about two minutes to download from other people with 100 mbit lines.

Usually however it's the other side that's limiting. Generally 10 Mbit are the most common here, but more and more are getting 100 Mbit lines.

I'm thinking about getting a 3G phone. Then I'll have a 2 Mbit mobile connection (they're planning to upgrade it to 11 Mbit next year). Screw fixed connections, wireless is the future

Dont be fooled, Denoir.

You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning than you do of getting a 2mbit connection through a 3G wireless connection.

Here's why:

First, to ramp up to 2mbit, you have to be stationary. If you're moving nd you have to be handed to another cell, you have to start all over.

Second, and more importantly. That figure is the maximum bandwidth available to ALL wireless users on a particular cell. The more people pulling data at the same time, the slower each connection gets. There just isnt enough space in a frequency allocation for WCDMA/CDMA to give everyone who wants a connection a 2mbit connection.

[-Ash- 0]

Christ... The fastest home network we can easiiy get here in the UK is Telewest Broadband 2MB and that costs £55 a month (€78) ($87)

I can't believe that you can get that huge amount of bandwidth for half the price I pay for a 1MB line....

[denoir 0]

Warin: On 3G

A neighbour of mine got it a couple of weeks ago and he has experienced speeds far above 2Mbit. Granted, there are very few 3G users right now, but still it looks very promising.

I'm using GPRS now (on my Ipaq) and it's adequate for getting my mail, loading an occasional web page (without pictures) and for ICQ. The most limiting factor for normal usage is however not the connection but the small screen of the Ipaq.

[blackdog~ 0]

denoir... you ever thought about starting a hosting company thing?

[denoir 0]

@ July 16 2003,02:38)]Christ... The fastest home network we can easiiy get here in the UK is Telewest Broadband 2MB and that costs 55 pounds sterling a month (€78) ($87)

That's bloody expensive. The most everybody in Sweden can get is 26 Mbit. That's via ADSL i.e if you have a phone line you can get it. It costs 40 €/month (just looked it up).

The fastest you can get is 1 Gigabit/s. You can only get it in the major cities and it costs a lot. The most reasonable now is 10 Mbit for about 20 €/month.

I was lucky that my block was connected fairly late (three years ago) so we got a direct optical connection to the buildings from the base net of the ISP. In the basement there's a switch that gives 100 Mbit dedicated for each appartment. The base net is 1,6 Tbit. Or it was three years ago. Probably faster today.

[Warin 0]

Warin: On 3G

A neighbour of mine got it a couple of weeks ago and he has experienced speeds far above 2Mbit. Granted, there are very few 3G users right now, but still it looks very promising.

I'm using GPRS now (on my Ipaq) and it's adequate for getting my mail, loading an occasional web page (without pictures) and for ICQ. The most limiting factor for normal usage is however not the connection but the small screen of the Ipaq.

Exactly. Most mobile computing on a PDA will be low bandwidth. But when people start firing up their notebooks with a mobile Aircard style modem, it will sow things down.

It's just a matter of badwidth versus users. In most urban areas, individual cell range is pretty small, so if you are mobile, you may not ramp up to 2mbps. Unless WCDMA is vastly different than CDMA200 (WCDMA is a patch to GSM, allowing the carriers to offset the costs of changing systems), that bandwidth is also the max for all users on a particular cell.

[denoir 0]

As I understand it cells in 3G are actually clusters of cells and that each cell has a far larger capacity than GSM has.

Also I think that the number of cells required / m^2 is also more than with GSM due to the much higher energy I/O.

I'm however not very familiar with the exact technology. I remember some models and calculations that we did in a course called "Signals and Systems". It was however more about the data compression and encoding than the radio technology used.

[Dauragon 0]

As I understand it cells in 3G are actually clusters of cells and that each cell has a far larger capacity than GSM has.

Also I think that the number of cells required / m^2 is also more than with GSM due to the much higher energy I/O.

I'm however not very familiar with the exact technology. I remember some models and calculations that we did in a course called "Signals and Systems". It was however more about the data compression and encoding than the radio technology used.

Isn't there gonna be a faster network with UTMS or UTSM i dont remember how its called but i saw it in the newspaper

[Warin 0]

As I understand it cells in 3G are actually clusters of cells and that each cell has a far larger capacity than GSM has.

Also I think that the number of cells required / m^2 is also more than with GSM due to the much higher energy I/O.

I'm however not very familiar with the exact technology. I remember some models and calculations that we did in a course called "Signals and Systems". It was however more about the data compression and encoding than the radio technology used.

Each cell does use a broader frequency range. And WCDMA is a spread spectrum, code division thechnology. It lets them utilize the bandwidth more efficiently. But it still has fairly low maximums on bandwidth. It's why 802.11 is a better technology for high speed access, but of a much more limited range than cellular wireless.

I am not as familiar with WCDMA as I am with CDMA2000 (after all, cellular is what I do), but I really dont think they will be able to offer 2mbit connection over wireless to whomever wants them. They cant do it with CDMA2000, and thats a 3Gtechnology as well. the 2mbit is a maximum bandwidth that's shared.

But who knows. I'd just kill for a 10mbit fibre connection to my house

[Warin 0]

As I understand it cells in 3G are actually clusters of cells and that each cell has a far larger capacity than GSM has.

Also I think that the number of cells required / m^2 is also more than with GSM due to the much higher energy I/O.

I'm however not very familiar with the exact technology. I remember some models and calculations that we did in a course called "Signals and Systems". It was however more about the data compression and encoding than the radio technology used.

Isn't there gonna be a faster network with UTMS or UTSM i dont remember how its called but i saw it in the newspaper

UMTS is another name for WCDMA.

[Renagade 0]

@ July 16 2003,02:37)]Christ... The fastest home network we can easiiy get here in the UK is Telewest Broadband 2MB and that costs £55 a month (€78) ($87)

I can't believe that you can get that huge amount of bandwidth for half the price I pay for a 1MB line....  

and im still stuck on a rickety 56k that only connects at 40,000 bps something