Soviet tactics

[hellfish6 7]

OBviously landing an infantry squad onto a platoon of T-72s is suicide but I seriously doubt the Soviets would bother with a serious armoured presence in Morton. One BMP maybe which is very easy meat for a Charlie G or even a LAW.

Well... wouldn't the fact that a Carl Gustav or LAW can take out a BMP easily be an impetus for having a heavier armored presence there?

And why wouldn't the Soviets bother with a heavy armored presence in Morton? It's the biggest town on the island.

[hellfish6 7]

With Morton, you reckon it would be safe enough to land behind the forest on the hill? Or would the forest be heavily patrolled, since it lets you sneak right up to the town?

I'd assume it would be patrolled... but it depends on the size of the garrisson in Morton. If there's a company based there, you can probably be sure that there's at least a squad patrolling the woods. If there is only a platoon, you'd probably find an LP/OP in there, or in a position to call for fire on the woods or covering most major entrances and exits to the forest.

[EBass 0]

Morton isnt bigger than Montignac. I dunno like I said Im no expert but I think what I said would be viable.

[Milkman 1]

Ah but morton is a seaport, very valuable if you want to land armor/supplies/reinforcements. Although Montignac is the gateway to the north of Everon, and many major roads lead through it. Both valuable, both would have heavy armor presence, or maby heavily mined choke points.

[vitoal125 0]

Quote[/b] ]With Morton, you reckon it would be safe enough to land behind the forest on the hill? Or would the forest be heavily patrolled, since it lets you sneak right up to the town?

A few months ago we did an exercise like this with MILES gear in my unit. Our company landed at an LZ about 1 mile away from a small simulated town (MOUT town) that had a small unit (about half a platoon) in defense of it. We patrolled through the brush to a point about 500 meters away from the objective and then we sent out a leaders recon (small group) to observe the objective. When they returned, the company patrolled to the positions that we would attack the town from.

Because this was only a small training exercise, it was just our company, but had this been the real thing, I think we would have had Cobra AH1 gunships in support of us to help light up any targets as they appeared. Either that or the Ch53s would have remained on station after dropping us off.

[Gollum1 0]

BTW Morton isn´t the biggest town on Everon.

There are other missions besides the Morton assault...What about the mission "Counterstrike" on Kolgujev, the last Armstrong mission in the 1985 campaign? Is it possible that a regular infantry squad without parachute training is paradropped onto Kolgujev and is followed up by M113s from the sea??? Wouldn´t that job better be left for Marines? The M113 is only designed for crossing rivers, anyway...?

Hell, I don´t know

[zverushka 0]

BTW.. I always wondered. When in the cutscene, gastovski said "jesus, there are 10,000 people in that town."

I think it would be a tight fit. *snicker*

[Gollum1 0]

BTW.. I always wondered. When in the cutscene, gastovski said "jesus, there are 10,000 people in that town."

I think it would be a tight fit. *snicker*  

Yeah, there´s no town or island in OFP that has enough buildings for that many people...how many people do you reckon live on Nogova? (He was talking about Everon but I´d like to know)

[zverushka 0]

probably like 500 or 400. Not much

[EBass 0]

Nah more than that. I'd say thats more the population of Malden. Nogova is not only larger but its cities are larger.

If you look at the size of Lipany and take an average of 3 people per house (although its actually probably more) youve got easily 100 already. Then Petrovice with its flats also will have a large population.

Thats not even considering the other cities and the countless number of icolated houses.

I'd say Nogova is about 2000

[Milkman 1]

Largest Cities in Nogova Top 5:

Liphany

Petrovice

Vidlakov

Loukov

Modrava

Total population Nogova: 2700-3100; before invasion. Maybe BIS could fill everyone in on population of the Islands. I know they are not real islands, but maybe BIS made some statistics up, just for reference when they made the islands.

[Eviscerator 0]

I wouldn't really call them cities at all, even my quaint little english village is twice the size of Lipany.

[-TU--33ker 0]

City is the wrong term. I'd say town.

Anyone knows whether there's something like a campaign out there, which lets you play as a soviet soldier during the invasion of a whole island? the whole campaign should have the time frame of 24 hours. and the missions take you to different places and battles during the invasion (landing on the beach, occupying cities or bridges, air support) and you can play different persons like a pilot, tanker, or spetsnaz. the enemy would be the resistance forces and police which represent the local army. but everything has to be in a realistic way. like the number of soviet and enemy forces in some missions.

part two of the campaign would be the same, but you play the US now and kick the soviets out with the help of the resistance in 24-72 hours.

I've always wanted to play a realistic invasion.

[BoonieRat 0]

O/T. Was'nt 'HellFish' the unit that Homer Simpsons dad servred in during WW2? , and indeed!, is'nt that the tattoo in your sig?...

I even enjoy the war2 scenes on the Simpsons as well!. I must have some kinda spiritual hangup ...

[Vojtoo 0]

Largest Cities in Nogova Top 5:

Liphany

Petrovice

Vidlakov

Loukov

Modrava

I think that Modrava is larger as Loukov.

[Milkman 1]

Largest Cities in Nogova Top 5:

Liphany

Petrovice

Vidlakov

Loukov

Modrava

I think that Modrava is larger as Loukov.

Well, when I play CTI, Loukov is always better defended than Modrava. I thought that the bigger the city, the better defended it was. Modrava might be bigger though, I can agree with that.

[Renagade 0]

On such a  small island as that ,wouldn`t the soviets be  at  risk by bombardment from the sea  ?

[hellfish6 7]

On such a  small island as that ,wouldn`t the soviets be  at  risk by bombardment from the sea  ?

Yes, if the Soviet's didn't have any naval support of their own. I'm pretty sure the Soviet Navy, specifically the Northern Red Banner Fleet was bigger than the US Atlantic Fleet. While quantity doesn't make up for quality, you should also remember that the Soviets had a whole lot of big bombers just itching to sink NATO ships during the Cold War.

But, following the plot of OFP, Guba acted alone without support from Stavka or the Supreme Soviet. I doubt he'd have had much naval support of his own.

[nyles 11]

If you are still looking for sources, this is all you will need:

FM 100-60 - ARMOR- AND MECHANIZED-BASED OPPOSING FORCE: ORGANIZATION GUIDE, 16 JUL 1997

FM 100-61 - ARMOR- AND MECHANIZED-BASED OPPOSING FORCE OPERATIONAL ART, 26 JAN 1998

FM 100-63 - INFANTRY-BASED OPPOSING FORCE ORGANIZATION GUIDE, 18 APR 1996

The links might be down from time to time due to the nature of army.mil, though.

[Milkman 1]

If you are still looking for sources, this is all you will need:

FM 100-60 - ARMOR- AND MECHANIZED-BASED OPPOSING FORCE: ORGANIZATION GUIDE, 16 JUL 1997

FM 100-61 - ARMOR- AND MECHANIZED-BASED OPPOSING FORCE OPERATIONAL ART, 26 JAN 1998

FM 100-63 - INFANTRY-BASED OPPOSING FORCE ORGANIZATION GUIDE, 18 APR 1996

The links might be down from time to time due to the nature of army.mil, though.

'nuff said.

[Rifleman 0]

well, looking at how they fought in afhaganistan and chechnya, just do what ever it takes to lose lots of men, and tanks and choppers

with mech infantry keep the guys inside the apc's

take the machingun ammo off the tanks

use tactics that only apply to taking over a city or whatever that isnt defended

and for the infantry, mismatch all the camo, so they dont know who to shoot at

that pretty much sums it up

but dont flame me if its wrong

[MachoMan 0]

well, looking at how they fought in afhaganistan and chechnya, just do what ever it takes to lose lots of men, and tanks and choppers

with mech infantry keep the guys inside the apc's

take the machingun ammo off the tanks

use tactics that only apply to taking over a city or whatever that isnt defended

and for the infantry, mismatch all the camo, so they dont know who to shoot at

that pretty much sums it up

but dont flame  me if its wrong

Well did u think the US attacks in Nam where any better organised? ;)

[EBass 0]

Yeah but at least they lost them in a stylish way, with napalm flying everywhere and cameras present, rather than breaking down in the desert and dying of dehydration.

[Bluesman 0]

Great thread  

This doc (http://198.65.138.161/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-8/ch2.htm#s8p35) was great btw, thanx for that one. Very detailed.

Couldn't that sort of Platoon movement be simulated fairly well with scripting though? It should be fairly possible to divide the squads into teams and give them individual formations and use radio to sort out the platoon.

I've been AWOL from OFP for 8 months so I've missed this new CoC, shows the benefits from taking a break. The game feels almost new .

Regarding Soviet tactics.

This should be very helpful. It's from the Arab-Israeli wars where Egypt used pretty much 70:s soviet tactics. I think some of the tactics still applies. Like the echelon movements. It contains force setup for a motorized rifle brigade etc.

http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/arab-israeli/soviet.htm

and for a more comprehensive list

http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/arab-israeli/index.htm

For more modern Russian info:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/agency/army.htm

Great indepht description of an Alpha operation in Afghanistan.

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Russia/Alfa.htm

I'd love to see the VDV as an add-on . With these new great Russian units from Laser I hope it continues with these.

wargamer.com also has alot of good articles and book recommendations for all things related to this.

Though. If someone has a good description of how a typical Soviet air-assault is carried out I would be grateful.

BM