Iron sights

[Metal Heart 0]

I vote for 3d modelled iron sights.

No point, its much better on system resources to model it, take a screenshot from the viewpoint of the gunner and then use that image as a template for a textured iron sight.

there is, because you'd see the sights bob a little when moving.

You could fake 3D sights with two images to save the resources, but they really aren't that important IMO. Maybe if breathing was a factor they could be of use.

[funnyguy1 0]

I vote for 3d modelled iron sights.

No point, its much better on system resources to model it, take a screenshot from the viewpoint of the gunner and then use that image as a template for a textured iron sight.

there is, because you'd see the sights bob a little when moving.

Not unless the head/rifle moved, which they dont in ofp, not when able to put iron sights on anyway.

If things from here are implemented 3d sights will be the best sollution.

[Cpt. Ionio 0]

In regards to the 3D sights, I've been playing Call of Duty recently and the sights in that game look very nice - both the scopes and the iron sights - when you move the mouse the rear sight moves at a different speed to the fore sight. With scopes the crosshair moves at a different speed to the lense you look through. I think they did it by just moving the camera to behind the sights, whereas Flashpoint just puts a black skin thing infront of the camera.

I think OFP2 will have better sights - the magnum and ingram in one of the patches had some degree of shading, they where not just black.

[funnyguy1 0]

I`ve sold my asg m4, as it was just a spring asg...Before that I had done some serious tests:)

I have an idea concerning the IR sights and the weapon handling.

1.Ability to zoom in/out (mousewheel maybe, when the weapon is ascended and zommed in max, so you zoom only the sights*)when using IR sight, (the v(?) key) simulating movements of head (forward and backward) when sticked to the stock. The fancy thing would be if your eye is too close the sight It`s bluring a bit. **

2.And head movements simulation (3rd or 4th mouse button), while using IR sights.

For ex. you`re using the IR sights, and want to look around without moving/shaking the weapon, covering the whole screen, you only have to press the Xmouse button and you can freely take a look on the left, and if you`re right handed, admire the beautifully and in detail modelled gun stock on the right

* by that I mean my previous suggestion.

You can ascend and descend the weapon using the mousewheel, so there are different kinds of aiming and shooting efficacy & moving speed. And the changes of location of the weapon are quite smooth, and it can be done quite easly and fast.

**Another thought about the bluring stuff.

- when your eye is at the max distance from the rear sight (max zoomed out), the scene (??...things that you can se in the background) is better visible,

- the more the distance between your eye and the rear sight is decreasing (zooming in) the more the background is bluring, and the rear (and the front sight) is sharpening.

[tug2000 0]

I almost agree with Bullz_eye.

Virtually all weapons are bore sighted at a specific distance. We always sighted our SA80s @ 200m. In addition to this you can turn a knob to adjust for distance (Normally in 100m increments). This would be ideal maybe the +- keys on the numpad whilst in "sights" view would increase/decrease this value. And have a list of ranges in the config

[Bordoy 0]

I almost agree with Bullz_eye.

Virtually all weapons are bore sighted at a specific distance. We always sighted our SA80s @ 200m. In addition to this you can turn a knob to adjust for distance (Normally in 100m increments).  This would be ideal maybe the +- keys on the  numpad whilst in "sights" view would increase/decrease this value. And have a list of ranges in the config

Isn't it 300m or am i thinking of the SUSAT?

[NeMeSiS 11]

I vote for 3d modelled iron sights.

No point, its much better on system resources to model it, take a screenshot from the viewpoint of the gunner and then use that image as a template for a textured iron sight.

what the hell is everyone talking about? in COD your fps didnt drop when you used the iron sights, why the hell would it in Game2?

[Guest Ti0n3r]

I think the best solution would be to make it 3D, like in Red Orchestra. IMO thats the best iron sights ever.

EDIT: Also I agree with ofpforum. 3D sights wouldnt lower the fps.

[tug2000 0]

@Bordoy : We were using iron sights. I can't exactly recall what we used on the LSW's (With SUSATs)

[Bordoy 0]

@Bordoy : We were using iron sights. I can't exactly recall what we used on the LSW's (With SUSATs)

oh right cheers mate. I think they are zeroed at 100m/300m

[shinRaiden 0]

Scopes are for pansies. They fool you into thinking your shots will go exactly where the points are, and trick you into looking at your scope and not your target. Ever wonder why even in sniper teams the spotter has the monster telescope, but the sniper never has much more than a typical varmit blaster scope?

Secondly, scopes invite tunnel vision. You become a sucker for looking only at an objective three feet across at range, oblivious to the guy standing off at the side doing who knows what with a bead on your head. Good old iron being open is less likely to encourage tunnel vision. Plus since iron sights don't give you cheater vision, you're less inclined to stay in them.

That's not to say that iron sights are just spray-and-pray, the key is you see all that you need to see. Snipers have been using iron sights in combat for hundreds of years now and it hasn't set them back any. Of course, if you're ranging out to a thousand meters obviously your eyeballs will need a bit of help, but mounting an M82 Barrett to the side of the Hubble Space Telescope won't help you any if you don't know how to shoot in the first place.

In defense of scopes however, there is the realism factor. According to the unscientifc research I've conducted - via trolling militaryphotos.net and other sites - most western military's guns have some sort of a scoped sight, even if it is just a red dot illuminator that technically functions more in the iron sight catagory. So for realism sake, yes scopes do need to be in there. But please let those who prefer old iron to continue to be able to snipe those that don't.

[Antichrist 0]

Heck yeah! I am all for 3d ironsights!

[Necromancer- 0]

as IRL.. Iron sights should be adjustable, just like the rear sight of an M16.

The M16 rear sight has 2 modes..

One hole for targets till 200 meters and a smaller hole for targets beyond 200 meters.

[gandalf the white 0]

Guys, guys, blurring an image is a piece of pish with DirectX 9.

shown here , here, and even more clear hereyou can disort images. so I bet having a "blur" map is easy to do aswell.

[funnyguy1 0]

Even though there are plans to make ofp2 the ultimate multi-purpose sim, still there are things that could be improoved in the grunt`s simulaion.

The biggest problem in the fps games seems to be the weapon handling, weapon effectiveness (factors like recoil and so on), and the use of IR sights.

I wait for game, which could bring the fps` style of games to a whole new level. And I think ofp2 could handle this.

Despite the grunt simulation in ofp was on the quite high level, (other games on this list probably were, SWAT series, R6, GR (maybe?), *action games never bothered with realism, even though they had nice gfx, the weapon handling never was good enough*), It`s still the same way like years ago.

Crosshair, hip-schooting and so on...

And when it comes to this point (*), I think that there isn`t as many differences between SoF2 and R6....

I personally don`t know how to do this, I`ve suggested some things, but there`s a lot of work, and It would be great if ofp2 brings something new to the fps` at all.

Ofcourse, there is a problem, old as the PC: how to make the simulation correctly, And don`t get me wrong, I don`t want ofp2 to become matrix or something, It`s hard even if you have gadgets like 3d goggles and so on.

Better IR sights and weapon handling  all the way!  

[bravo 6 0]

what about adding some pics in this thread? so people have some idea

[Guest Ti0n3r]

The red orchestra iron sights;

I dont think they should remove the old iron sights. The best solution would be if you could use both or maybe choose wich one you want to use in the cadet/veteran menu.

[Baphomet 0]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX @ June 09 2003,10:12)

If they do put in a raising animation, I hope its not very long.  Half a sec or less would be about right IMO.

Yep, like the ones in BHD, they raize pretty fast, one of the few features well done in that game, the vc style ones wouldnt work because they dont put the sight close to the eye, something necessary in opf due to the long range shooting, bang  

Fuck that. Have you ever tried to draw a bead on something with iron sights?? It's not done in half a bloody second. Not if you want to hit something at least.

I'm sick of snap shots with 300m accuracy. I want human inefficiency taken into greater account.

Try shooting prairie dogs with a .22 at 60 yards with iron sights, that's about the equivalent to shooting at a person at about 250-300, and I gaurantee you, you don't just sling it up to your shoulder and crack off a single shot in the course of a second.

I don't want OFP2 gameplay to be the equivalent to a bunch of rifle slinging Bob Munden wannabees.

BHD's weapon handling and ballistics were so revoltingly basic that I grew bored of it halfway through the first mission I played. I'm sick of state of the art graphics accompanying weapons that are functionally about as sophisticated as the one's found in doom or wolfenstein.

Furthermore, 3d ironsights are useless unless it's accompanied by a weapon handling system that supports user input on actually sighting the weapon, instead of the game simply perfectly aligning them for you. Anything less and it's simply pointless aesthetics.

[Deicide 0]

Those of Red Orchestra are the best IMO. Here the reference pics used for real iron sights  : http://www.gunpics.net/ironsights/ironsights.html  

AK47 : http://www.gunpics.net/ironsights/type56.html

FAL : http://www.gunpics.net/ironsights/slr.html

Browning P35 : http://www.gunpics.net/ironsights/p35b.html

[funnyguy1 0]

Crazy idea...

We need simulation of both, front and rear sights, right?...

and they have to move separately....

Trackir?

I mean...mouse is the frontsight and trackir is the rearsight....

Could this be done?

Imagine the gunner`s helmet in helo with combination of mouse and trackir