The north korea thread

[Jinef 2]

Ahh okay can we vote for what cities we want to be destroyed? I would say Nuke Geogie's ranch, he refers to that thing far too much! Also, can you try and find one that could go to the outer regions of London and do in Maggie's house? That would be good.

No big gates are gonna keep a nuke out!

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ 02 May 2003,22:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ahh okay can we vote for what cities we want to be destroyed? I would say Nuke Geogie's ranch, he refers to that thing far too much!<span id='postcolor'>

An even better reason, Australian Prime Minister Hohn Howard is staying at the ranch with George Bush at the moment. Drop the bomb and kill them both!

Back to reality land, did any of you hear George Bushes threat he made during his speech on the USS Abraham Lincoln? Something along the lines of 'all rogue nations shall be confronted'. Got to be careful saying stuff like that, our neo-stalinist might interpreted that line as 'those American Imperialists intend to invade us! Quick! Invade South Korea'. You never know.......

[tracy_t 0]

Only two nukes eh?

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=403574

This is worrying.

[PitViper 0]

I think the UN should replace the U.S troops currently stationed in Korea then it could deal with the North Korean Nuclear question.  You only need about 40,000 troops.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

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I like it! Let's tiptoe through the tulips just to make sure the crazy chia-dictators among us don't get paranoid. I know that I want to make life as comfortable as possible for governments who print propaganda involving the Capitol Building and several large explosions. Is your name Neville Jr, by chance?

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ 07 May 2003,02:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ 03 May 2003,025)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Got to be careful saying stuff like that, our neo-stalinist might interpreted that line as 'those American Imperialists intend to invade us! Quick! Invade South Korea'. You never know.......<span id='postcolor'>

I like it! Let's tiptoe through the tulips just to make sure the crazy chia-dictators among us don't get paranoid. I know that I want to make life as comfortable as possible for governments who print propaganda involving the Capitol Building and several large explosions. Is your name Neville Jr, by chance?<span id='postcolor'>

Absolutely old chap!

I have just returned from North Korea where I met with the leader of that country, I, and the leader of North Korea, have signed a paper which states that North Korea can have unrestricted nuclear arms development, and rights to the Korean penninsula.Mr Jong il assures me that North Korea has no further demands. I believe we have peace in our time!

Ah well, do whatever you want with North Korea, but if he drops a nuke onto Tokyo or Los Angeles, don't come crying to me ok?

[Jinef 2]

Forget the North Koreans, check out their neighbours!

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/pacific_rim/story.jsp?story=405961

[FSPilot 0]

hahaha, i actually heard about that on the radio.

it was hilarious, the woman didn't even know her geography that well. She was telling us (near Kansas City Kansas) to move to the sierras because the whole plain was going to flood. so the host explained to her that the sierras were a long way away, over in nevada. she remarked something like "well when the mississippi floods you'll be glad you did!". (note that the mississippi is two states away, we border the missouri river).

gave me a good laugh at least

[Jinef 2]

They ain't that bright bless em.

But then again she was Japanese talking about America, knowing other country's geography is harder. Wanna tell me all about Japan without cheating?

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

Just play Shogun:Total War and you learn about all the different regions of ancient feudal Japan. Which is..uh, totally useless!

[ralphwiggum 6]

http://www.cnn.com/2003....ex.html

South Korea paid 100mil USD for talks with NK.

Quote[/b] ]Former South Korean President Kim Dae-jung's government secretly paid communist North Korea US$100 million to get Pyongyang to agree to a historic summit in 2000 that helped Kim win the Nobel Peace Prize, an investigator has said.

Independent counsel Song Doo-hwan did not characterize the cash transfer as a payoff for the inter-Korean summit, but said the government "aid" for North Korea was related to the meeting and had been sent secretly through improper channels.

Kim has admitted approving money transfers to North Korea despite "legal problems," but has said they were for the sake of peace and that his government's decision should not be subject to review.

Song had agreed not to consider whether the president himself was culpable. However, three of Kim's former aides have been arrested in the scandal.

and for many who are ignorant of far east history, today, June 25th is the day when Korean war broke out in 1950.

[PitViper 0]

http://www.cnn.com/2003....ex.html

South Korea paid 100mil USD for talks with NK.

Quote[/b] ]Former South Korean President Kim Dae-jung's government secretly paid communist North Korea US$100 million to get Pyongyang to agree to a historic summit in 2000 that helped Kim win the Nobel Peace Prize, an investigator has said.

Independent counsel Song Doo-hwan did not characterize the cash transfer as a payoff for the inter-Korean summit, but said the government "aid" for North Korea was related to the meeting and had been sent secretly through improper channels.

Kim has admitted approving money transfers to North Korea despite "legal problems," but has said they were for the sake of peace and that his government's decision should not be subject to review.

Song had agreed not to consider whether the president himself was culpable. However, three of Kim's former aides have been arrested in the scandal.

and for many who are ignorant of far east history, today, June 25th is the day when Korean war broke out in 1950.

yes.. and the U.S is still technically at war with North Korea.

[PitViper 0]

found this opinion piece in a korean paper:

link

[Die Alive 0]

Not sure if anyone see this site yet

Official page of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

In English, Polski, Espanol, Italiano, Norsk, Esperanto, and Swiss.

Dont forget to stop by the Gift Shop

-=Die Alive=-

[Die Alive 0]

Just been reading the tourism site and here's some parts of the Suggestions of how to make your trip to DPRK pleasant:

Suggestions for a Pleasant Trip

If you would like to make the best of your visit, we recommend following the basic principles set out below. These will help to maximise your enjoyment of your visit and make sure you don’t fall into any tricky situations. Indeed, we strongly advise our customers to follow these guidelines, to avoid getting both yourselves and your guides into potentially grave circumstances.

1. If you are a journalist, please tell us!

You may be under the impression you won’t be allowed access if you declare this. In fact this is not the case. The only problem is that you need a different sort of visa. As long as you tell us straight away of your profession, this is achieved without difficulty. Problems arise when you apply for a standard visa and we discover your occupation, which usually results in a barring of entry to the country or if already in situ, being chucked out! As long as you have genuine reasons for travel you will be most welcome.

2. Ask permission before taking photos and shooting film!

The DPRK is particularly hot on security and even apparently innocent scenes such as day to day life may be prohibited. Any photos of the military, check-points and close ups of people may cause unpleasant situations and put both yourself and you guides at risk. If you manage to gain the confidence of your guides, are pleasant and willing to <span style='color:red'>‘play the game’</span> then you will receive some amazing photo opportunities

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3. Don’t leave your hotel/group without telling your guides! </u>

Again, its all down to security. If you fancy some fresh air and a stretch of the legs, just ask and you will most likely be allowed.

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Your Guides</u>

You will find the guides to be very efficient and helpful throughout your stay. Just as you will be interested in finding out more about their country, so they will be intrigued by your own. In this way, there is usually ample conversation potential, and most people who visit say the it was the guides who made the tour for them.

With this in mind, we must stress that if you do break the guidelines laid out above and below, you will place your guides under sever, unnecessary pressure which may harm your relationship with them. If you do wish to do something ‘unplanned,’ then it is best to be as pleasant and respectful as possible to your guides, who control your entire trip. You will find that if this is so, you will be given greater opportunities in doing and seeing what you want to do than if you are simply rude and disrespectful.

It is also highly recommended to bring along some gifts from your home country to present to your guides at the end of your visit. Korean men, who smoke like chimneys, are particularly partial to duty free cigarettes (Rothmans and Dunhill seem to be the favourites), whilst ladies will be satisfied with scent, delicacies and ornamental objects. It is something of a tradition to present these on the final night of your visit, where you can host a dinner wih your guides at a favourite restaurant, maybe over traditional Korean Galbi (barbecue)

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Etiquette</u>

Remember, this is not mass-market tourism. You are being ‘invited’ into the country by the DPRK authorities and should behave accordingly.

Please show respect to the ‘system’. By this, we mean the people, the way of life, indeed, the country in general. If you don’t like a certain aspect of it, don’t go shouting your mouth off telling anyone in earshot! Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you will find the trip far more enjoyable if you keep any criticisms to yourself and approach everything with an open mind.

The two leaders of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il are treated with the utmost reverence by all citizens. If you think you may find it difficult to bow to certain statues of these figures out of respect, then maybe you should reconsider your trip. Any rude or disrespectful remarks will be detrimental to your relationship with your guides and will result in a far less enjoyable experience.

Finally, all North Koreans dress smartly and this is one place on earth where jeans and a T-shirt will really stand out. Smart clothing will help convey a friendlier message and will show citizens that you have a basic level of respect.

In conclusion, the success of the trip very much lies in your hands. If you are willing to go along and <span style='color:red'>‘play the game,’</span> are pleasant in nature and open minded, you can grasp all the remarkable opportunities that the country will offer you. If you are rude and confrontational you will be given the least opportunities to see what the country really has to offer and may well cause trouble for yourself and your guides.

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Customs:</u>

Besides the usual restrictions regarding firearms and narcotics, there are other items which may not be brought into the country. These include radios, modems, transmitters, GPS systems, pornography and telescopes. In particular, publications, video tapes, films, photos and other material hostile to the DPRK will not be taken lightly.

[NurEinMensch 0]

The two leaders of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il are treated with the utmost reverence by all citizens. If you think you may find it difficult to bow to certain statues of these figures out of respect, then maybe you should reconsider your trip. Any rude or disrespectful remarks will be detrimental to your relationship with your guides and will result in a far less enjoyable experience.

*reconsiders trip*

[Die Alive 0]

Here's an idea for the guys at JackAss:

Go to North Korea and moon a statue of Kim Il Sung or Kim Jong Il. Then record all the funny things that will happen afterwards

These guys (DPRK) take themselves way too seriously.

-=Die Alive=-

[FallenPaladin 0]

Here's an idea for the guys at JackAss:

Go to North Korea and moon a statue of Kim Il Sung or Kim Jong Il.  Then record all the funny things that will happen afterwards  

These guys (DPRK) take themselves way too seriously.

-=Die Alive=-

The result`s would be way worse than rated R!!

Is there a rated X in the USA?

[ralphwiggum 6]

oh yeah, X, XXX and a XXXXX

but with seriousness, there's been a numerous incident where a visitor didn't comply with rules and was forced out, not to mention being criticized for not bowing to the statues.

[theavonlady 2]

FYI, the July Edition of Nation Geographic Magazine's front cover story is "Divided Korea: Face-off Along the DMZ".

Skimming through it, there are some interesting pics, mostly from the South. The North remains elusive as ever.

[FallenPaladin 0]

This picture reminds me of the movie "Joint Security Area". It`s an excellent movie!

[Die Alive 0]

This picture reminds me of the movie "Joint Security Area". It`s an excellent movie!  

Yes, very good movie.

-=Die Alive=-

[The Frenchman 0]

I just got that in the mail today. Very neat pics and the map that came with it was even better.

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[PitViper 0]

You know whats sad?  I was stationed 15 miles from the DMZ but I never visited Panmunjon

[ran 0]

there was this old game on PSX featuring the DMZ ? it was called nuclear strike and in a campaign , the north koreans had broken into the southern area of the DMZ and were about to pass through the southern wall and you had to prevent almost single handely in your commanche helicopter a full scale invasion or at least hold the NK troops back until a B2 bomber arrived

Panmunjon was r^presented in the game