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If you notice my rambles above they reference shifting US military doctrine and policy. The prior Cold War policy was to form a human wall to be a diplomatic tripwire tirgger, and provide the muscle to slug it out back up the Frozen Chosen, with the presumption of PLA units mirroring those engagements. War of attrition.

Conversely, the high-mobility rapid raiding policies and systems being implemented today are designed to rapidly neutralize precise targets of opportunity, and let the infrastructure collapse behind it. Rather than use our weapons to disable the infrastructure, let them wear it down logistically by having to compensate for precision disruptions.

While the DPRK claims to have a massively huge and wonderful army, it remains to be seen as to what operating condition it really is in. The most likely scenario is that they'd run out of gas pulling out of the yards, thus blocking the PLA from rendering effective assistance. Massive classicly organized militaries can actually be counter-productive in certain situations, as evidenced to some degree by both sides in Iraq. They're critical for occupational capabilities, but can inhibit mobility and flexibility in tactical operations.

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Don't forget that N. Korea also has the actual WMDs that Bush cried and moaned and sweared that Iraq had.

And what 'intelligence' do you cite as factual basis for that, aside from DPRK demagogery? We knew publically that they had glowing stuff until they turned the cameras off and broke the seals, and now we think they're doing something, but the IAEA doesn't have a clue for sure. Pundits of prognostication have suggested that given the materials we know they had, and the time and resources we guess they have, they might have x weapons of y capability - numbers derived from astrology, nielson ratings, and vegas bar stools.

So now where's the calls for the inspectors? Where's the million martyrs - er human shields - for Kim Jong Il? (Hint, don't send your daughters) Send Jimmy Carter - again - he knows how to make peace in our time.

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Don't forget that N. Korea also has the actual WMDs that Bush cried and moaned and sweared that Iraq had.

And what 'intelligence' do you cite as factual basis for that, aside from DPRK demagogery? We knew publically that they had glowing stuff until they turned the cameras off and broke the seals, and now we think they're doing something, but the IAEA doesn't have a clue for sure. Pundits of prognostication have suggested that given the materials we know they had, and the time and resources we guess they have, they might have x weapons of y capability - numbers derived from astrology, nielson ratings, and vegas bar stools.

CIA assessed that NK might have nukes some months ago, along with TBA following the conclusion. contrary to what you beleive, those words were from warmongers, not hippies.

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So now where's the calls for the inspectors? Where's the million martyrs - er human shields - for Kim Jong Il? (Hint, don't send your daughters) Send Jimmy Carter - again - he knows how to make peace in our time.

considering that last time there were call for inspectors for Iraq, TBA went to war anyways, what's the point of doing something that is nothing more than an insignificant procedure for TBA to oppress on? Last time UN inspection was held for a mid east country, TBA brushed it off.

So what's TBA going to do? another war? remember that US strategy is win-win where our troops fight two wars. Right now one in Afghanistan, the other in Iraq. Care to enlist in US army for sole purpose attacking NK instead of posting here?

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If I enlist it would be as a VBS server op or map maker. biggrin_o.gif

What I was saying is that I've heard of nothing more substantial on NK than was taken crediblely by TBA as the premise of Iraq, so what I'm questioning is why you would accept those same sources for NK that you reject for Iraq.

I have not heard calls for inspectors to NK any where near the level that were demanded for Saddam.

If you want to call for inspectors fine, but do it consistently across the board.

If you want to question CIA intelligence fine, but do it across the board.

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What I was saying is that I've heard of nothing more substantial on NK than was taken crediblely by TBA as the premise of Iraq, so what I'm questioning is why you would accept those same sources for NK that you reject for Iraq.

Except in this case the CIA is probably not pressured into giving politically favourable intelligence.

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And that in this case a majority of western countries & their intelligence agencies (basically all of them) agree on North Korea being a threat, while the US and the UK were alone in that believe when it came to pre-war Iraq.

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I guess some fuzes got blown over there:

N Korea wages war on long hair

Quote[/b] ]North Korea has launched an intensive media assault on its latest arch enemy - the wrong haircut.

A campaign exhorting men to get a proper short-back-and-sides has been aired by state-run Pyongyang television.

The series is entitled Let us trim our hair in accordance with Socialist lifestyle.

While the campaign has been carried out primarily on television, reports have appeared in North Korean press and radio, urging tidy hairstyles and proper attire.

It is the strongest media campaign against men's sloppy appearances mounted in the reclusive and impoverished Communist state in recent years.

The propaganda drive on grooming standards has gone a stage further than previous attempts. This time television identifies specific individuals deemed too shoddy.

Crew cut

Pyongyang television started the campaign last autumn with a five-part series in its regular TV Common Sense programme.

Stressing hygiene and health, it showed various state-approved short hairstyles including the "flat-top crew cut," "middle hairstyle," "low hairstyle," and "high hairstyle" - variations from one to five centimetres in length.

The programme allowed men aged over 50 seven centimetres of upper hair to cover balding.

It stressed the "negative effects" of long hair on "human intelligence development", noting that long hair "consumes a great deal of nutrition" and could thus rob the brain of energy.

Men should get a haircut every 15 days, it recommended.

Named and shamed

A second, and unprecedented, TV series this winter showed hidden-camera style video of "long-haired" men in various locations throughout Pyongyang.

In a break with North Korean TV's usual approach, the programme gave their names and addresses, and challenged the fashion victims directly over their appearance.

The North Korean media normally reserves the reporting of names of its citizens to exemplary individuals who show high communist virtues.

The series was shot at various public locations - on the street, at a sports stadium, a barbershop, a bus stop, a restaurant, a department store.

Some unruly-haired pedestrians or customers captured on camera "meanly ran away", the programme said, while others made excuses about being too busy to get a trim.

Television newsreels such as "Employees of Pyongyang Textile Plant keep their hairstyle and dressing neat and tidy" and "Hairdressers at Ch'anggwangwo'n manage men's hair according to the demands of the military-first era" have also aired.

What not to wear

State radio programmes such as "Dressing in accordance with our people's emotion and taste" link clothes and appearance with the wearer's "ideological and mental state".

Tidy attire "is important in repelling the enemies' manoeuvres to infiltrate corrupt capitalist ideas and lifestyle and establishing the socialist lifestyle of the military-first era," the radio says.

Newspapers too highlight the civic advantages of short hair and smart shoes.

Hair is a "very important issue that shows the people's cultural standards and mental and moral state", argues Minju Choson, a government daily.

"No matter how good the clothes, if one does not wear tidy shoes, one's personality will be downgraded."

For party papers such as Nodong Sinmun, the struggle against foreign and anti-communist influence is being fought out in the arena of personal appearance.

"People who wear other's style of dress and live in other's style will become fools and that nation will come to ruin," it says.

Sounds like it´s from "the onion", but it´s official.

Didn´t Kim himself have a rather long haircut for a while ?

Would explain some things...

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Look who's talking! crazy_o.gif

Quote[/b] ]Report: N. Korea Demands Talks With U.S.

14 minutes ago World - AP Asia

By SANG-HUN CHOE, Associated Press Writer

SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea (news - web sites) has demanded bilateral talks with the United States to defuse tension created by its announcement that it is a nuclear power, the communist state's U.N. envoy said in a South Korean newspaper interview published Friday.

Han Sung Ryol, a senior diplomat at North Korea's U.N. delegation in New York, was the first North Korean official to speak to outside news media since Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry defied the United States and its allies by declaring Thursday that it has nuclear weapons, its first public announcement that it has weapons.

North Korea said the weapons are a deterrent against a U.S. invasion and that it doesn't intend to join six-nation disarmament talks any time soon.

"We will return to the six-nation talks when we see a reason to do so and the conditions are ripe," Han told Seoul's Hankyoreh newspaper in a Thursday interview in New York. "If the United States moves to have direct dialogue with us, we can take that as a signal that the United States is changing its hostile policy toward us."

Han's suggestion came as the two-year-old standoff over North Korea's nuclear weapons programs plummeted to a new low with Pyongyang's statement Thursday.

It's a long-running North Korean strategy to try to engage the United States in bilateral talks, believing that such meetings would boost the isolated country's international status and help it win bigger concessions. In the current six-nation talks, North Korea has increasingly found itself surrounded by countries, including its allies China and Russia, who are critical of its nuclear ambitions.

Governments from China to Japan to Russia have uniformly expressed concern over North Korea's nuclear statement and urged it to return to talks on ending its nuclear ambitions in return for economic and diplomatic benefits. But North Korea says it won't do so as long as Washington maintains its "hostile" policy toward the North.

Earlier Friday, South Korea (news - web sites) urged the United States and its allies to be calm following North Korea's declaration, reminding them that blustering and brinksmanship are nothing new in Pyongyang's toolbox of diplomatic tactics.

But South Korean officials also cautioned that North Korea could take further steps to raise tensions — such as shipping weapons materials to other countries with nuclear ambitions or even testing a bomb.

The North's announcement and its decision to pull out of six-nation disarmament talks was "a matter of grave concern," South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon told reporters in Washington, where he arrived on a previously scheduled trip to meet Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

But it is important to remember that "North Korea has shown similar attitudes in times of crucial negotiations" in the past, South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted him as saying.

"We need to calmly analyze the situation," Ban said, noting the North's commitment to "solve the issue through dialogue and negotiations."

In Seoul, Vice Foreign Minister Lee Tae-shik told members of the ruling Uri party that "the North's move appears to be aimed at improving its negotiating power."

But he warned "the problem could get very serious if North Korea takes additional actions," according to Uri Party spokesman Lim Jong-suk.

Since the nuclear crisis erupted in late 2002, North Korea has steadily increased stakes in the standoff. It first removed U.N. seals on its mothballed nuclear facilities, expelled the last U.N. nuclear monitors, then quit the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and later said it had completed reprocessing 8,000 spent fuel rods to extract weapons-grade plutonium.

South Korea's take North Korea's announcement reflects its decades-long experience in dealing with North Korean officials, who pepper their negotiating rhetoric with shouts, threats and dire warnings of imminent clashes.

Since 2003, the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia have held three rounds of talks in Beijing, but no significant progress has been made.

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If I enlist it would be as a VBS server op or map maker. biggrin_o.gif

ah, as someone who can sit back and not watch for enemy's movement at the front line. how convenient. this fits exactly into 'we love to wage war, but we won't participate in it.'

Quote[/b] ]What I was saying is that I've heard of nothing more substantial on NK than was taken crediblely by TBA as the premise of Iraq, so what I'm questioning is why you would accept those same sources for NK that you reject for Iraq.

did Iraq officially said they have WMD? no. but NK did. there's the first difference. However, coupled with their history of bluffing, it's better to take safer assessment.

source for Iraq = Chalabi

source for NK = their official gov't.

Quote[/b] ]I have not heard calls for inspectors to NK any where near the level that were demanded for Saddam.

If you want to call for inspectors fine, but do it consistently across the board.

since we shouldn't trust CIA, maybe there is no WMD in NK? then why should we bother setting up an inspection plan?

Saddam actually used WMDs before, but because of that Iraq was constantly under surveilance. contrary to what warmongers think, NK never used biological weapon. another difference.

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If you want to question CIA intelligence fine, but do it across the board.

if you want to wage war against evil doers and promote honor of being a soldier, do it consistently. instead of debating, take action and work at the front line.

since you brought up a nice point, why not apply to TBA's policy? they said Iraq war was about WMD, but now says it's about the democracy. wink_o.gif

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Except in this case the CIA is probably not pressured into giving politically favourable intelligence.

How so? Bush called them Axis of Evil a long time ago, why shouldn't there be political pressure this time too?

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And that in this case a majority of western countries & their intelligence agencies (basically all of them) agree on North Korea being a threat, while the US and the UK were alone in that believe when it came to pre-war Iraq.

A lot of the world agreed that burning witches once was good for the environment, and lots of people were in the consensus that the world is flat. Does that make it accurate? No, that is only the majority opinion, based on what ever they claim it to be.

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ah, as someone who can sit back and not watch for enemy's movement at the front line. how convenient. this fits exactly into 'we love to wage war, but we won't participate in it.'

No, as in I'm a scrawny little IT nerd with a bad back and worse vision that wouldn't qualify for much of anything. I can push buttons, but thats probably all I'm good for as far as the military would be concerned.

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did Iraq officially said they have WMD? no. but NK did. there's the first difference. However, coupled with their history of bluffing, it's better to take safer assessment.

source for Iraq = Chalabi

source for NK = their official gov't.

Is gas WMD's? First time I've heard that it's not.

Sources: You take Kim Jong Il to be more credible than Chalabi? Chalabi at least knows how to make himself presentable in public and spin a plausable story. Kim Jong Il on the other hand has been hitting the scotch a bit too much.

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since we shouldn't trust CIA, maybe there is no WMD in NK? then why should we bother setting up an inspection plan?

Saddam actually used WMDs before, but because of that Iraq was constantly under surveilance. contrary to what warmongers think, NK never used biological weapon. another difference.

The situation is there is a DMZ, but still a active state of war between the Korea's. Claiming to bring in nukes is not exactly small fries in a shooting war. Secondly, Kim Jong Il kicked out the surveillance, so 'officially' we have no idea what he's upto. Is that probable cause for suspicion of unfriendly activities that should be investigated further? Or should we sit around and ignore it all?

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if you want to wage war against evil doers and promote honor of being a soldier, do it consistently. instead of debating, take action and work at the front line.

since you brought up a nice point, why not apply to TBA's policy? they said Iraq war was about WMD, but now says it's about the democracy.

They do a job that I'm not certain I could do myself. I have no place to complain about the job done for me that I can't do myself.

I have always disagreed with the initial whitewashing of the Iraq justifications as I have posted here before, and argued elsewhere. It tracks from the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" arguement for democracy. If anything, I wish Bush had been more open about the democracy drive, and shove all the ingrate moonbats out to blink their eyes out in the light. That would have really made for a clear election referendum last year. Instead of dealing with 'I voted against WMD's before I found out that they (we, mr. member of the senate intelligence committe which has oversight to prevent such things) were misled' - we would have been favored with "I actually voted for free Iraqi elections, before I voted against them."

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ah, as someone who can sit back and not watch for enemy's movement at the front line. how convenient. this fits exactly into 'we love to wage war, but we won't participate in it.'

No, as in I'm a scrawny little IT nerd with a bad back and worse vision that wouldn't qualify for much of anything. I can push buttons, but thats probably all I'm good for as far as the military would be concerned.

no excuse to join USMC. they wil make you a soldier in no time.

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did Iraq officially said they have WMD? no. but NK did. there's the first difference. However, coupled with their history of bluffing, it's better to take safer assessment.

source for Iraq = Chalabi

source for NK = their official gov't.

Is gas WMD's? First time I've heard that it's not.

Sources: You take Kim Jong Il to be more credible than Chalabi? Chalabi at least knows how to make himself presentable in public and spin a plausable story. Kim Jong Il on the other hand has been hitting the scotch a bit too much.

Kim Joing Il already has a well established control system while as Chalabi was trying to use US to fulfill his ambition. Just because someone can talk nicely in public, doesn't mean that they have the essence.

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since we shouldn't trust CIA, maybe there is no WMD in NK? then why should we bother setting up an inspection plan?

Saddam actually used WMDs before, but because of that Iraq was constantly under surveilance. contrary to what warmongers think, NK never used biological weapon. another difference.

The situation is there is a DMZ, but still a active state of war between the Korea's. Claiming to bring in nukes is not exactly small fries in a shooting war. Secondly, Kim Jong Il kicked out the surveillance, so 'officially' we have no idea what he's upto. Is that probable cause for suspicion of unfriendly activities that should be investigated further? Or should we sit around and ignore it all?

sure thing that suspicion has to be investigated. but how come Iraq's case was different? inspection worked fine, but TBA went in anyways.

also, it is funny that when other nations comment about US policy, CONsetvatives complain about it, but when US wants to stick our nose into other's affair, it's because we are not ignoring?

Quote[/b] ]I have always disagreed with the initial whitewashing of the Iraq justifications as I have posted here before, and argued elsewhere. It tracks from the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" arguement for democracy. If anything, I wish Bush had been more open about the democracy drive, and shove all the ingrate moonbats out to blink their eyes out in the light. That would have really made for a clear election referendum last year. Instead of dealing with 'I voted against WMD's before I found out that they (we, mr. member of the senate intelligence committe which has oversight to prevent such things) were misled' - we would have been favored with "I actually voted for free Iraqi elections, before I voted against them."

unfortunately, TBA decided to push WMD as the main reason, and now they are being inconsistent and is changing their minds. but I don't see you loudly complaining about such flip flop compared to other things.

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A lot of the world agreed that burning witches once was good for the environment, and lots of people were in the consensus that the world is flat. Does that make it accurate? No, that is only the majority opinion, based on what ever they claim it to be.

It is hardly just majority opinion. Intelligence (and not just craptacular US intelligence....I speak of world intelligence...international intelligence), figures that NK has at least a few nukes.

Unless you are saying that the TBA has intelligence that is from the 1500's I fail to see your point.

Now the interesting thing is, the whole time Bush was drumming up Iraq, here was NK kicking inspectors out, turning off the cameras monitoring their nuclear reactors, and publically stating that they would make nuclear weapons. (and lets not forget that they lobbed a missile over Japan)

What did Bush do?

"I see nothing!"

Where exactly is the consistency you crave there? You go to war over WMDs but ignore the only country that publically states they are trying to achieve WMD weapons.

And you say that we're being inconsistent? Think you need to look in the mirror there.

Quote[/b] ]How so? Bush called them Axis of Evil a long time ago, why shouldn't there be political pressure this time too?

//sarcasm

Yeah? And I call you a fartknocker. You feel any pressure from that?

//end sarcasm

So what that he put a label on them. Bush has all but ignored NK.

Quote[/b] ]Is gas WMD's? First time I've heard that it's not.

Oh. You mean the gas that has yet to show up in Iraq? You mean the gas that all inspectors and all pre-war intelligence stated he didn't have anymore, and the CIA/Pentagon confirmed not too may weeks ago?

You mean that gas?

Quote[/b] ]You take Kim Jong Il to be more credible than Chalabi? Chalabi at least knows how to make himself presentable in public and spin a plausable story. Kim Jong Il on the other hand has been hitting the scotch a bit too much.

Chalabi doesn't have his finger hoverin' over a nuke button.

Which are you going to take more seriously?

Quote[/b] ]The situation is there is a DMZ, but still a active state of war between the Korea's. Claiming to bring in nukes is not exactly small fries in a shooting war. Secondly, Kim Jong Il kicked out the surveillance, so 'officially' we have no idea what he's upto. Is that probable cause for suspicion of unfriendly activities that should be investigated further? Or should we sit around and ignore it all?

Interesting. Contridict yourself.

In any case, this "active state of war" that you worry about has been at relative peace for the last 60 years.

So suddenly we DO need to take NK seriously despite the fact that a paragraph up you stated that it was uncreditable.

In any case, you need not worry, since the man you voted for has decide to ignore NK and any threat it poses altogther.

Quote[/b] ]Instead of dealing with 'I voted against WMD's before I found out that they (we, mr. member of the senate intelligence committe which has oversight to prevent such things) were misled' - we would have been favored with "I actually voted for free Iraqi elections, before I voted against them."

So instead you vote for a man who you admit was lying to you, about the justifications for war.

But I can't really expect you to understand the hypocrisy of that statement anyway since you obviously feel that bombing other countries and killing civilians to "spread democracy" is a great ideal. crazy_o.gif

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and lots of people were in the consensus that the world is flat. Does that make it accurate? No, that is only the majority opinion, based on what ever they claim it to be.

Actually those were mainly your fundamentalist christian european ancestors that thought so. Chinese and arabs for example had figured that sort of things out long ago by not being strictly dogmatic about everything and not trying to make reality fit their own narrow vision by persecuting scientists and intellectuals.

Happy darwin day by the way. wink_o.gif

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NK is paranoid if you ask me.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/20/us.japan/index.html

Quote[/b] ](CNN) -- North Korea has accused Japan of aspiring to rule a "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere" beginning with an invasion of Korea with the assistance of the United States.

Rodong Sinmun, North Korea's state newspaper, said Sunday the Japanese had joined with the United States' "vicious hostile policy" toward North Korea and that the "military threat" they perceive from the Koreans "is a far-fetched allegation fabricated by themselves."

The paper's comments followed a day of talks in Washington between U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and their Japanese counterparts on the two countries' security relationship.

The two countries urged North Korea to return to six-party talks aimed at ending its nuclear program and reiterated the need for China to resolve its tensions with Taiwan peacefully.

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NK is paranoid if you ask me.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/20/us.japan/index.html

Quote[/b] ](CNN) -- North Korea has accused Japan of aspiring to rule a "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere" beginning with an invasion of Korea with the assistance of the United States.

Rodong Sinmun, North Korea's state newspaper, said Sunday the Japanese had joined with the United States' "vicious hostile policy" toward North Korea and that the "military threat" they perceive from the Koreans "is a far-fetched allegation fabricated by themselves."

The paper's comments followed a day of talks in Washington between U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and their Japanese counterparts on the two countries' security relationship.

The two countries urged North Korea to return to six-party talks aimed at ending its nuclear program and reiterated the need for China to resolve its tensions with Taiwan peacefully.

NK military must be pure crap if it cannot handle the JDF.

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Haha, funny biggrin_o.gif

Direct link to the flash is dead after N. Korea said:

Quote[/b] ]Access to the requested object was denied.

Due to some inconsiderate people linking directly to our multimedia we

were forced to take the content offline since it generated too much

traffic.

This kind of careless linking to high-profile sites is typical of the internet

where people no longer respect that such links could make free content

less available.

We will never charge money to pay for the bandwidth, so if people are

going to expect high-quality content they should make their own copy of

the large file and share it from their own server.

Questions can be sent to support@korea-dpr.com for technical advice.

Thank you and have a nice day.

Kim, your missing the point here!

We love you tounge_o.giftounge_o.gifcrazy_o.gif

EDIT: Saw some of the pics from last "great" trip to N. Korea, it was only 5 pics of people. No background, no koreans, only tourists and a pic of "Kimy".

Wow.. how fun rock.gif

lol

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Seats are still available for the April 1st Korean Friendship Association Delegation trip to North Korea.

Make sure to download the animated presentation.

uh huh...i'd rather choose Havana over Pyungyang. Havana has better weather and cigars.

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NK is paranoid if you ask me.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/20/us.japan/index.html

Quote[/b] ](CNN) -- North Korea has accused Japan of aspiring to rule a "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere" beginning with an invasion of Korea with the assistance of the United States.

Rodong Sinmun, North Korea's state newspaper, said Sunday the Japanese had joined with the United States' "vicious hostile policy" toward North Korea and that the "military threat" they perceive from the Koreans "is a far-fetched allegation fabricated by themselves."

The paper's comments followed a day of talks in Washington between U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and their Japanese counterparts on the two countries' security relationship.

The two countries urged North Korea to return to six-party talks aimed at ending its nuclear program and reiterated the need for China to resolve its tensions with Taiwan peacefully.

NK military must be pure crap if it cannot handle the JDF.

The JSDF is one of the most advanced armed forces in the world. They're right up there with Western Europe and the US. They're not very big, though, and lack the political willpower to invade anything.

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NK is paranoid if you ask me.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/20/us.japan/index.html

Quote[/b] ](CNN) -- North Korea has accused Japan of aspiring to rule a "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere" beginning with an invasion of Korea with the assistance of the United States.

Rodong Sinmun, North Korea's state newspaper, said Sunday the Japanese had joined with the United States' "vicious hostile policy" toward North Korea and that the "military threat" they perceive from the Koreans "is a far-fetched allegation fabricated by themselves."

The paper's comments followed a day of talks in Washington between U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and their Japanese counterparts on the two countries' security relationship.

The two countries urged North Korea to return to six-party talks aimed at ending its nuclear program and reiterated the need for China to resolve its tensions with Taiwan peacefully.

NK military must be pure crap if it cannot handle the JDF.

The JSDF is one of the most advanced armed forces in the world. They're right up there with Western Europe and the US. They're not very big, though, and lack the political willpower to invade anything.

You must of read my mind... blues.gif

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