Badgerboy 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thank God for "Air Forces Monthly<span id='postcolor'> Top mag, the Sqn had a subscription, as do I. (The shared one always got nicked) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 21, 2003 Damn, Baghdad is huge! The size of Stockholm is displayed for comparison in the upper right corner. They better hope for an Iraqi surrender, since taking Baghdad will be a bloody mess, if possible at all without excesssive bombings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Damn, Baghdad is huge! <span id='postcolor'> 6 million registered plus 4-6 million estimated inhabitants living in slum conditions make at leat 10 million people. They need place denoir Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted March 21, 2003 Isn't it spelled with an H? Baghdad? Or is it just in a different language. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Isn't it spelled with an H? Baghdad? Or is it just in a different language.<span id='postcolor'> Yep it´s also Bagdad in german. We tend to use our own languages in our tv news... And it would totally different in original spelling as it is written in arab keys. Even in Bagdad it´s not spelled Baghdad. Check google. Nor in english. Strange. Anybody knows more ? Maybe a freedom gift ? We donate a "h" to the iraqi people !! Freedom ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted March 21, 2003 CH-46 down....16 on board....none expected alive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted March 21, 2003 fired upon or technical breakdown ? Why doesnt anyone mention the iraqi tanks destroyed on the way to Basra ? Bullseye anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted March 21, 2003 Can ppl post up some links to news sources for quick retrivial of information. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col. Kurtz 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 21 2003,11:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">CH-46 down....16 on board....none expected alive<span id='postcolor'> BBC is saying that it was 12 Americans and 4 British dead. *Edit* The crash was in Kuwait and its been put down to accident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badgerboy 0 Posted March 21, 2003 First official casualties. 12 US, and 4 UK servicemen have died in a helicopter crash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Othin 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Mar. 20 2003,18:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 21 2003,11:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">CH-46 down....16 on board....none expected alive<span id='postcolor'> BBC is saying that it was 12 Americans and 4 British dead.<span id='postcolor'> err, I've heard the exact opposite. 4 American crew, 12 British "Commandos". Since it's a CH-46 I would say that's more likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nic 0 Posted March 21, 2003 Whats the deal with all these heli crashes...is the weather really bad or are the helis really crappy or something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">fired upon or technical breakdown ? Why doesnt anyone mention the iraqi tanks destroyed on the way to Basra ? Bullseye anyway.<span id='postcolor'> Unknown at this time. "Breaking news". It was returning from a mission and crashed inside Kuwaiti space. I mentioned the tanks outside Basra before, and that the 1st Marine Div. was reportedly engaged with them. A reporter reported huge fireballs and explosions from Basra, and also reported the sound of bombers over head. I mentioned that it was possible that the marines were calling in air support. I was poo-pooed. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Can ppl post up some links to news sources for quick retrivial of information. <span id='postcolor'> I watch streaming video and listen to the radio. But if I find sources about whatever I will post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A reporter reported huge fireballs and explosions from Basra<span id='postcolor'> Could be the refineries also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Mar. 20 2003,17:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hellfish6 @ Mar. 21 2003,00:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, yeah, I know all that, but I always thought that when an MUE was deployed, it was more or less independent. Like when a Ranger battalion deploys, it is independent of the 75th Ranger Regiment and instead is under the command of the regional HQ or the Joint Chiefs.<span id='postcolor'> True. Â If a MEU is on a typical deployment, it operates independently under the command of a Colonel. Â The MEF's role is to coordinate the training and integration of the component units before deployment. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hellfish6 @ Mar. 21 2003,00:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I guess if there's an MEF HQ in the area, the MEU is then subordinate to that MEF. I wasn't sure if that was the case or if it was attached to CENTCOM directly or not.<span id='postcolor'> Sounds good to me! Â But seriously. Â A MEU is subordinate to a MEF, which is subordinate to the "combatant commander," which in the present case I'd interpret to mean General Franks/CENTCOM. Semper Fi<span id='postcolor'> Gotcha... thanks for clearing that up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Othin @ Mar. 21 2003,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Mar. 20 2003,18:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 21 2003,11:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">CH-46 down....16 on board....none expected alive<span id='postcolor'> BBC is saying that it was 12 Americans and 4 British dead.<span id='postcolor'> err, I've heard the exact opposite. Â 4 American crew, 12 British "Commandos". Â Since it's a CH-46 I would say that's more likely.<span id='postcolor'> BBC is reporting exact opposite. 12 Americans, 4 UKs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted March 21, 2003 And just now there is a report of a marine heli crashing and killing 16 on CTV here. Man, what a mess the news are... terrible. EDIT: yep, they are so far behind it's not funny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badgerboy 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Whats the deal with all these heli crashes...is the weather really bad or are the helis really crappy or something... <span id='postcolor'> Weathers not too hot, (Do not underestimate what sand can do to your rotors, plus your turbine blades) plus there are bad guys shooting at you. (Remember, quite a few of the helis that went down in Afghanistan were first reported as 'accidents', but 'corrected' later on. Also, with the amount of flight hours thatare going to be put in,some A/C will be lost due to accidents. Take a look in the back of AFM, and see how many jets crash on normal exercises a month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted March 21, 2003 Edited because I just realized that it was off-topic and not productive. Instead, here's a pic of the 3rd Bn 15th Infantry (3rd Inf Div) on the "Berm" in Kuwait today. Nice variety of weapons. Could anyone identify that M203? Is it mounted on an M-16A3 or A4? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted March 21, 2003 Oh great.... There are reports of large demonstrations...at one the chant "hey hey how many kids did you kill today" was heard...swell... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wires 0 Posted March 21, 2003 They aren't using USMC chopper pilots again are they it's happened before and a big op failed - they only used them because the USMC was going to be left out too. Stupid prideful commanders It could very well be the appauling weather atm with all the big dust storms. So BBC says 12 US 4 Brit and Fox says 12 Brit and 4 US not really surprising. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 21 2003,03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Or is it just in a different language.<span id='postcolor'> It's in Swedish. I'm trying to figure out where exactly this picture was taken: On this satellite map of Baghdad that everybody should have (16 MB). I called HQ for about the 50th time today but they told me kindly to piss off and stop bothering them because that they had better things to do then to be my private news service <!--emo& Well, can't really blame them. I've called them about twice an hour the last 24 hours. As for the downed heli, it's interesting although not conclusive. If it was an accident then it's understandable that they published the information. Another option is of course that it leaked against the will of the coalition press office. Why is this important? We are now exploring the ground rules of information flow that will be set for this conflict. It started off possibly bad today with the Iraqi missile attacks. If on the other hand it was shot down and they confirm it directly then it is a very positive sign and then there were probably no casualties earlier this morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badgerboy 0 Posted March 21, 2003 Here we go, looks like 16 deaths, 12 US (Flight crew and marines) plus 4 UK soldiers. Confimed by Pentagon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted March 21, 2003 ack state ur news source,on itv channel here they had it showing mnbc i think talking about the crash and had a little 3d model of it with stats just a moment ago. damn i wish i had loads of tv to monitor everything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wires 0 Posted March 21, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 21 2003,13:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh great.... There are reports of large demonstrations...at one the chant "hey hey how many kids did you kill today" was heard...swell...<span id='postcolor'> Arrest them all for slander then get out the phone books and rubber hoses Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
