The Dogs of War

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hit_Sqd_Maximus @ Mar. 23 2003,06:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 23 2003,05:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A sailor and a marine are using the head together....<span id='postcolor'>

lol, the head?<span id='postcolor'>

Head = naval terminology for the bathroom.

How can you take a joke about a marine and sailor if you say bathroom, huh?

LOL. 20 paratroopers huh?

Must be some mighty tough paratroopers if only 20 were sent to Baghdad.

[FSPilot 0]

5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hit_Sqd_Maximus @ Mar. 23 2003,115)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 23 2003,05:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A sailor and a marine are using the head together....<span id='postcolor'>

lol, the head?<span id='postcolor'>

the crapper

whats this about paratroopers being captured in Baghdad?  can they even do a jump into a city like that?

and i tend to give more credit to sites when they dont have porno site ads on them.

[PFC_Mike 2]

the head = toilet

no, not the same one

It's hard to say about Basra. I doubt we'll find out for another day or so.

Also hard to say about whether or not a plane was shot down. We did lose a few in Gulf War v 1.0 you know

The SOB who attempted to frag his colleagues needs to be court-martialed and hung, publicly. There needs to be a STRONG message about that kind of sh it.

I was reading about fighting on roads near Basra. It really seems that whenever the Iraqis are in the open, they're just there to say last words or to surrender.

[PFC_Mike 2]

Here's what I'm thinking of as a worst-case scenatrio about paratroopers:

F/A-18 goes down. Pilots eject.

SAR helo(s) is (are) dispatched to rescue them.

They get caught in CQB with several hundred trigger-happy Ba'athist. The ones who aren't killed are captured.

I repeat, this is a POSSIBLE worst case scenario. I'm not saying it did or will happen, and I pray it won't.

[Antichrist 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 23 2003,06:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hit_Sqd_Maximus @ Mar. 23 2003,11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 23 2003,05:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A sailor and a marine are using the head together....<span id='postcolor'>

lol, the head?<span id='postcolor'>

the crapper <!--emo&

whats this about paratroopers being captured in Baghdad?  can they even do a jump into a city like that?

and i tend to give more credit to sites when they dont have porno site ads on them.<span id='postcolor'>

Hey!! There are times when the only sites who have uncensored news are the ones with porn links Unless the news are about one porn king fighting another one

[Schoeler 0]

The term "head" comes from the days of the old sailing ships when the pisser used to be located underneathe the figurehead at the prow of the ship. Whenever you hear someone say they need to make a "head call" you can be assured they are either a current or former Marine or Sailor who really needs to take a piss.

[Schoeler 0]

CBS news is saying the 101st is on its way to Karbala to engage the Medina Division of the Republican Guard in support of the 3rd Infantry in what may be the largest battle of the war. Its going to be a very impressive combined-arms action according to the talking heads.

[FSPilot 0]

i highly doubt a jet was shot down over baghdad. if baghdads radar defenses weren't out before they sent in non-stealth aircraft they'd have some serious explaining to do. the pentagon hasnt said anything, nobody official has said anything that i've heard. plus there would probably be PJs going in after them if they knew where they were.

[garth 0]

Both my father and my brother are in Iraq and I'm very worried about them. I live in outside Fort Stewart, Georgia and we are a small community here of mostly army families. So far I've heard of over 30 families here getting the dreaded visit from the DoD vultures. We're not a large community here and everybody is very worried and on edge. The news are not saying anything and the military is stonewalling everybody. I don't even know where my dad and brother are deployed.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 23 2003,06:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i highly doubt a jet was shot down over baghdad.  if baghdads radar defenses weren't out before they sent in non-stealth aircraft they'd have some serious explaining to do. the pentagon hasnt said anything, nobody official has said anything that i've heard.  plus there would probably be PJs going in after them if they knew where they were.<span id='postcolor'>

I doubt the airforce would send PJ's in after a pilot shot down over Baghdad. Not because PJ's arent good enough, but because if a pilot came down in a city like Baghdad, there simply wouldnt be any point. I cant imagine escaping in a situation like that. You would stand out like a sore thumb.

[PFC_Mike 2]

Uh-oh. 30 casualties in one town alone doesn't sound good at all...

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 23 2003,11:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 23 2003,06:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i highly doubt a jet was shot down over baghdad.  if baghdads radar defenses weren't out before they sent in non-stealth aircraft they'd have some serious explaining to do. the pentagon hasnt said anything, nobody official has said anything that i've heard.  plus there would probably be PJs going in after them if they knew where they were.<span id='postcolor'>

I doubt the airforce would send PJ's in after a pilot shot down over Baghdad.  Not because PJ's arent good enough, but because if a pilot came down in a city like Baghdad, there simply wouldnt be any point.  I cant imagine escaping in a situation like that. You would stand out like a sore thumb.<span id='postcolor'>

to be perfectly honest with you i probably would of thought twice about ejecting. way i see it you're dead either way. might as well not let them tortue you first.

then again you could try to hide in the city for a few days while the tanks come in. it's not like there wouldnt be a place to hide, just cut your chute loose and hit the ground running. hide in some dumpster as far away as you can until the calvary arrives. or better yet make your way to the river and get the heck out of there.

here i am writing a novel and the most high performance thing i've ever flown has 180 horsepower i shouldnt be talking about it

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (garth @ Mar. 23 2003,06:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Both my father and my brother are in Iraq and I'm very worried about them. I live in outside Fort Stewart, Georgia and we are a small community here of mostly army families. So far I've heard of over 30 families here getting the dreaded visit from the DoD vultures.  We're not a large community here and everybody is very worried and on edge. The news are not saying anything and the military is stonewalling everybody. I don't even know where my dad and brother are deployed. <span id='postcolor'>

Sorry to hear that. I can't imagine anything more worrying then having family members in the armed services during times of war.

[Schoeler 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Both my father and my brother are in Iraq and I'm very worried about them.<span id='postcolor'>

Garth, I know this probably doesn't help, but there are over 300,000 members of the armed forces in the gulf region right now, of those, only about 10,000-15,000 are in combat units, and of these, only a few forward elements of about 2,000-3,000 people are seeing what is being characterized as "sporadic" action. That means only about 1% of the entire force there is exposed to combat on any given day. I will pray for your dad and brother. Hopefully, the war will end very soon.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 23 2003,06:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">to be perfectly honest with you i probably would of thought twice about ejecting.  way i see it you're dead either way.  might as well not let them tortue you first.

then again you could try to hide in the city for a few days while the tanks come in.  it's not like there wouldnt be a place to hide, just cut your chute loose and hit the ground running.  hide in some dumpster as far away as you can until the calvary arrives.  or better yet make your way to the river and get the heck out of there.

here i am writing a novel and the most high performance thing i've ever flown has 180 horsepower  i shouldnt be talking about it<span id='postcolor'>

To be perfectly honest, I dont think you'll find many pilots who would willingly 'go down with the ship' rather than eject. The drive to live is extremely strong, especially in the type A personalities that are skilled and aggresive enough to fly a jet.

Anyhow, I hope if a crew did get shot down, that they manage to find a way to escape without being tortured or killed.

[FSPilot 0]

Garth, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family as with the entire country during this war.

if you want some comfort, the mortality rate actually went down in the gulf war compared to peacetime. apparently the number of deaths due to alcohol is greater than the number of KIAs, considering that the bases are "dry" in wartime.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 23 2003,11:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 23 2003,06:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">to be perfectly honest with you i probably would of thought twice about ejecting.  way i see it you're dead either way.  might as well not let them tortue you first.

then again you could try to hide in the city for a few days while the tanks come in.  it's not like there wouldnt be a place to hide, just cut your chute loose and hit the ground running.  hide in some dumpster as far away as you can until the calvary arrives.  or better yet make your way to the river and get the heck out of there.

here i am writing a novel and the most high performance thing i've ever flown has 180 horsepower  i shouldnt be talking about it<span id='postcolor'>

To be perfectly honest, I dont think you'll find many pilots who would willingly 'go down with the ship' rather than eject.  The drive to live is extremely strong, especially in the type A personalities that are skilled and aggresive enough to fly a jet.

Anyhow, I hope if a crew did get shot down, that they manage to find a way to escape without being tortured or killed.<span id='postcolor'>

well im not a fighter pilot yet.

or maybe im made for cargo flying.

[PFC_Mike 2]

It REALLY worries me that in one town, 30 families would need to be informed of MIA/KIA relations. I'm beginning to wonder how much we really know about the conflict...

Garth, please tell more

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PFC_Mike @ Mar. 23 2003,06:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It REALLY worries me that in one town, 30 families would need to be informed of MIA/KIA relations. I'm beginning to wonder how much we really know about the conflict...

Garth, please tell more<span id='postcolor'>

It COULD also be WIA.

I would think that they would keep families on top of things if their loved ones were injured.

But then I have been known to be wrong before

[Schoeler 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It REALLY worries me that in one town, 30 families would need to be informed of MIA/KIA relations. I'm beginning to wonder how much we really know about the conflict...

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Remember, that forces deployed with their units, almost all the forward elements engaged would be from one or two towns (not originally, but currently stationed) so it makes sense that if a unit is engaged in fighting and taking WIA's and KIA's, then the notifications would all go to one town.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PFC_Mike @ Mar. 23 2003,06:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It REALLY worries me that in one town, 30 families would need to be informed of MIA/KIA relations. I'm beginning to wonder how much we really know about the conflict...<span id='postcolor'>

Take this under consideration: During GW1 the ground war lasted for 100 hours and was against withdrawing Iraqi soldiers who did not put up much of a fight. The current was has been going on now for almost as long, with the difference that they are meeting active resistance on the southern front.

During GW1 about 150 people were killed, half of them from friendly fire. And the situation now:

1) A total of 2-6 US soldiers killed. Two marines and four army guys (in the car that got hit by an RPG). In all three occasions a reporter was beside those that got killed. Coincidence?

3) There have been no reports of friendly fire, non at all. By standard US procedures they should have at least killed a couple of Brits by now.

4) The failure of taking Umm Qasr, Basra and Nasiriaya directly and the reports of heavy fighting makes it impossible that there were no additional casualties. You don't stop an attack just because somebody is shooting at you. The coalition forces have had by my count seven waves of attack followed by a temporary withdrawal in Basra. You don't do that unless you are met by a vastly superior force (not likely) or are taking an unacceptable number of casualties.

[theavonlady 2]

All is not quiet (yet) in Um Qasr.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 23 2003,07:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The coalition forces have had by my count seven waves of attack followed by a temporary withdrawal in Basra. You don't do that unless you are met by a vastly superior force (not likely) or are taking an unacceptable number of casualties.<span id='postcolor'>

Or in order to minimize non-military casualties and damage and attempt to pinpoint targets?

[PFC_Mike 2]

I think we'll have to wait and see. But in the end, US airpower is several million times more effective than any Iraqi gas, grenades, or guns.

See ya in the morning I'm going to bed.

[hellfish6 7]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Mar. 22 2003,22:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ Mar. 23 2003,05:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">E6Hotel, no offense about the jarhead crack, just a little, friendly interservice rivalry!<span id='postcolor'>

Fuggedaboutit.  For some reason, though, I was under the impression you were Army...

No offense, of course.  

Semper Fi<span id='postcolor'>

HEY!