Deltas and rangers released!

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PiNs_Da_Smoka @ Feb. 19 2003,11:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and some disc detector<span id='postcolor'>

As an aside, maybe you can look it up here.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PiNs_Da_Smoka @ Feb. 19 2003,10:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Processor: P2 450mhz

Memory: 256mb Ram<span id='postcolor'>

Maybe your processor or the combination of your processor and on 256MB of RAM can't process the sound and other CPU activity fast enough.

Did I tell you I have a 2Ghz notebook?

[PiNs_Da_Smoka 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Feb. 19 2003,03:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Did I tell you I have a 2Ghz notebook? <span id='postcolor'>

If you had nuts i'd kick you in em!

I don't know if those reasons could cause it. But seriously, i've said it like 3 times in the past 30 minutes, why in gods name does it only happen on ONE unit!?

*stares at the floor and weeps*

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PiNs_Da_Smoka @ Feb. 19 2003,11:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you had nuts i'd kick you in em!<span id='postcolor'>

Just a minute.........................

I'm dealing with another guy right now who called me a Maybelline Girl.

[Mora2 0]

I´ve found the TPJ pavehawk for the Littlebird mission but can´t find the Sebremington from SebDeltaWeapons....

Any link???

Thanks.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mora2 @ Feb. 19 2003,14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I´ve found the TPJ pavehawk for the Littlebird mission but can´t find the Sebremington from SebDeltaWeapons....

Any link???<span id='postcolor'>

SEB Delta Force V2.0

BTW, the Littlebird demo mission is in error. It references the SEB Remington and the TJP Pavehawk for no reason. (Watch this space).

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Feb. 19 2003,15:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">(Watch this space). <span id='postcolor'>

NOT THIS SPACE!

This one.

[.argus. 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As to the not hitting things at distance... Thats what happens to ballistic object only weighing 62 grains (with poor concentricity due to the steel penetrator) when it is affected by gravity and wind, it loses energy and retains velocity poorly... Conversely, a heavier projectile, such a 175 grain (or better) .308 caliber bullet has a better Ballistic coefficient, and will retain velocity (thusly energy) at a greater distance. (you can learn about these things using something we like to call in the business MATH)<span id='postcolor'> The M855 has a straighter ballistic arch than the M80. The M855 is also able to penetrate the standard PASGT helmet out to 1100 meters, which is not only more than you will ever need, but also better than the penetration performance of the M80.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Tora Bora the problem wasnt HITTING the targets, it was keeping them down, M855 ball is overstabilized and will pass cleanly through human tissue, often times leaving a wound cavity small enough that it will actually seal itself preventing blood loss for a short period of time, during which the enemy is still combat effective.<span id='postcolor'> Um, I think you are talking about the M80 here, as the M855 WILL fragment when it hits human flesh at velocities above 3500fps. The M80 on the other hand WILL pass straight through. Unless the target is overweight, then the bullet may tumble once before it exits.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You may have heard about this problem before; In a Country called Somalia, in a City called Mogadishu, right around 1993.<span id='postcolor'> You might have heard about CAR-15s? With 10 inch barrels? You know, those barrels that reduce the effective range down to 50 meters, at best? AFAIK the Rangers that were using M16A2s with 20" barrels didn't have any problems taking down charging children and women.(at least not more problems than they would have had if they were using 7.62mm weapons, people don't drop instantly when shot by a 7.62mm weapon in the chest, heart included, upper spine on the other hand...) Most of the complaints regarding the m855s performance is related to the weapon it is being fired from.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Smaller rounds often penetrate well yes, but leave much smaller wound cavities. Its kind of immaterial if you punch someones vest and they still kill you because the werent even knocked off their feet. <span id='postcolor'> I assume you are joking? (you are, right?)

On the issue of "scopes", it seems like some of you have some problems defining things:

From dictionary:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-scope

a combining form meaning ?instrument for viewing,? used in the formation of compound words: telescope. Cf. -scopy.

Telescope, a system of lenses, mirrors, or both, used to gather light from a distant object and form an image of it.<span id='postcolor'>

Sounds like a C79 to me. And 4x is perfectly useable as a scope on a sharpshooter rifle, just look at the ZF4.

My original ignored point was that it felt odd that the SPW(which is what is says it is: SPECIAL purpose weapon), has a scope, while the weapons that could really take use of the scope does not. By the way, the SPW have even more felt recoil than the M249 SAW.

[9mm 0]

More tangos for Delta boys in this thread.

Update:

Another load of political fiction:

US Army vs. Chinese People's Army.

[dm 9]

.argus. - Damocles actually works with these weapons and the ammunition as a day job... i think he is a pretty reliable source of information...

@avon... now i see why you are the spam mom....

[~Too Tall~ 0]

great addon guys. one question. ok well 2

1: didnt u say something about re-releaseing the new AH/MH6 little birds with the new animation along WITH the deltas and rangers

2: didnt u say something about re-releaseing the new MH47E fixing the cargo script along WITH the deltas and rangers

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (~Too Tall~ @ Feb. 19 2003,19:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">great addon guys. one question. ok well 2

1: didnt u say something about re-releaseing the new AH/MH6 little birds with the new animation along WITH the deltas and rangers

2: didnt u say something about re-releaseing the new MH47E fixing the cargo script along WITH the deltas and rangers<span id='postcolor'>

On point #1, I can tell you that it's being worked on.

Knowing them, I suppose the same is true for #2.

Patience.

[Eviscerator 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2: didnt u say something about re-releaseing the new MH47E fixing the cargo script along WITH the deltas and rangers<span id='postcolor'>

Just to clear something up, this script isnt a wonder script, all it did was setpos you into the helo after it had taken off, now the MH-47E couldnt move without throwing you out to your death, its an engine limitation and theres nothing we can do about it, but yes we are updating the MH-47E

[Goeth 0]

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Goeth[kyllikki] @ Feb. 19 2003,20:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There is a little bug on the laser designator.<span id='postcolor'>

From the ReadME:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KNOWN ISSUES

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- Warped Goggles when in vehicles. Sometimes the goggles will appear warped when a unit is sitting in a vehicle. We beleive this is cuased by the treatment of animated objects in cargo proxies but have yet to identify and correct this issue.

- SOFLAM pop-up on AI units. When a AI unit equiped with the SOFLAM readies the weapon for use but before selecting it as the primary weapon, the model will shift from his back to a raised position. This is in fact a change in models since we had to use two different models to get firstly a good position when equiped and secondly a good position when it is stowed on the back. The pop-up is caused by the some delay with the modelspecial game code. The SOFLAM will pop back down when the unit uses the rifle to shoot. No solution has been found to prevent the pop-up at this stage.<span id='postcolor'>

[Mora2 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Posted on Feb. 19 2003,14:20

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Quote (Mora2 @ Feb. 19 2003,14:31)

I´ve found the TPJ pavehawk for the Littlebird mission but can´t find the Sebremington from SebDeltaWeapons....

Any link???

SEB Delta Force V2.0

BTW, the Littlebird demo mission is in error. It references the SEB Remington and the TJP Pavehawk for no reason. (Watch this space). <span id='postcolor'>

Thank you very much Ms avon

fixed incorrect format of quote /denoir

[PFC_Mike 2]

as Damocles correctly stated, I DON'T work with firearms for a living. I've never even fired a gun in my life, BB guns and airguns included.

So correct me if I'm wrong everybody but isn't it possible to...shoot...the...target..more...than...once? You ever hear of a double-tap? Anyway, I thought that 5.56mm NATO ammunition had a tendency to fragment after entry? I ought to go grab my copy of BHD (the book, not the movie...duh) and look it up, but I'm going to take a chance and say that the rangers and deltas were using armor-piercing rounds, which I would expect aren't going to kill ppl w/o vests as easily. As was stated before, there are many more ways to kill people at a distance than before, so I can understand a shift to smaller weapons.

Like I said, if I'm wrong, correct me.

Two final comments: which unit has the M249 SAW, NOT THE SPW

and another, which is crazier, a $900 .50 cal revolver with insane recoil, or people who think that criminals, especially poor urban criminals, will consider it a weapon of choice?

[PFC_Mike 2]

ok here's a link about the .223. It seems kind of vauge about whether or not the fragmentation is a good thing. I'm willing to be that a tumbling, fragemnting bullet will probably kill you but not neccesarily as quickly.

http://www.snipercentral.com/223.htm

unfortunately, a long range it seems that the 5.56 doesn't fragment so good?

http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/bullet.html

[dm 9]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PFC_Mike @ Feb. 20 2003,01:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Two final comments: which unit has the M249 SAW, NOT THE SPW<span id='postcolor'>

There isn't one...

if you wnat to use this weapon, look in the codes file, and give a "captive" (or a soldier with all weapons removed) the weapon

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

Or just take Delta/Ranger M.Gunner and write this removeweapon "bas_m249spw"; this addweapon "bas_m249" to its init field .

*EDIT*

Wow my 600th post !

[PFC_Mike 2]

thank you. I first asked that question about 10 pages ago.

[.argus. 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.argus. - Damocles actually works with these weapons and the ammunition as a day job... i think he is a pretty reliable source of information...<span id='postcolor'> So basically, he cannot be wrong? If I am wrong then he can just point out my errors.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So correct me if I'm wrong everybody but isn't it possible to...shoot...the...target..more...than...once? You ever hear of a double-tap?  Anyway, I thought that 5.56mm NATO ammunition had a tendency to fragment after entry? I ought to go grab my copy of BHD (the book, not the movie...duh) and look it up, but I'm going to take a chance and say that the rangers and deltas were using armor-piercing rounds, which I would expect aren't going to kill ppl w/o vests as easily. As was stated before, there are many more ways to kill people at a distance than before, so I can understand a shift to smaller weapons.

Like I said, if I'm wrong, correct me.<span id='postcolor'> You can double tap but it won't do you much good at long range..

AFAIK, the Deltas and Rangers in Somalia were using "the armys new green tipped armor-piercing rounds". The M855 is the "armor piercing round", it is true that the M855 is more effective than the M193 when it comes to shooting through hard things, but basically the M855 is only a normal FMJ round with a steel penetrator. It only fragments a percentage or two less than the M193. The only other 5.56x45mm armor piercing round in the US inventory is the M995, but that is black tipped and not available at the time.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Two final comments: which unit has the M249 SAW, NOT THE SPW<span id='postcolor'> If you looked at the pictures that I posted then it seems like nearly all of the units are using the SAW. But of course that is only pictures of soldiers in the field so I guess that is not a very reliable source..

[dm 9]

Argus... don't get us wrong, but we have put weeks and weeks of research into this addon.

Also, you are quoteing "In Somalia" a lot. Well that was 10 years ago... and a lot can change in 10 years... (btw, if you hadn't allready guessed, the BAS Deltas/Rangers are set in the modern time-period i.e. 2003...)

You guys have to let the BHD era go... these addons are not set in that timeperiod, and are therefore very different units to those that saw action in 1993

[FallenPaladin 0]

Hi BAS folks, I`ve just seen your new beta weapon screenies! They look again totally great!  

When they are finally released, will they add directly to our current rangers and replace the old weapons? And how will we have to install your future addons? Will they be update-like, or will it be best to delete the old versions and install the new ones?

I`m asking because you said, you`re gonna rework the Littlebirds for example, so the new animations are already in there. And the little bugs we found in your current Delta/Ranger pack, will they be fixed by an update?

It`s not my intention to get on your nerves, I`m only asking  

Take all the time you need for your new addons or improvements on older addons you already released.

[~Too Tall~ 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DeadMeatXM2 @ Feb. 20 2003,12:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Argus... don't get us wrong, but we have put weeks and weeks of research into this addon.

Also, you are quoteing "In Somalia" a lot. Well that was 10 years ago... and a lot can change in 10 years... (btw, if you hadn't allready guessed, the BAS Deltas/Rangers are set in the modern time-period i.e. 2003...)

You guys have to let the BHD era go... these addons are not set in that timeperiod, and are therefore very different units to those that saw action in 1993<span id='postcolor'>

u BAS guys are good. see if i was u, i woulda told this guy to fuck off 3 posts ago lol u guys got good PR skills

great addon look forward to re-releases as well as new ones