Russian btr70

[LightBringer 0]

I can't download it, always forwards me to a gif file...

[CrunchyFrog 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LightBringer @ Dec. 18 2002,16:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't download it, always forwards me to a gif file... <span id='postcolor'>

http://personales.com/argenti....ta3.zip

[LightBringer 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CrunchyFrog @ Dec. 18 2002,16:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LightBringer @ Dec. 18 2002,16:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't download it, always forwards me to a gif file... <span id='postcolor'>

http://personales.com/argenti....ta3.zip<span id='postcolor'>

Thats the same link...   It's forward me to: Here

Plz. do something... I tryed it with IE6 & Opera, too. Both failed...

[munger 25]

Yep, I'm also getting that animated banner and nothing more.

[Acecube 0]

Great Addon!

PLEASE bring back the old sight (reticle) for the gunner. it should be easy to improve its quality and it would help so much for realism. especially if the scale takes reference of the bullet drop!!!

out

[mr. Duck 0]

Does it work for v1.46 too?

[Mr ThunderMakeR 0]

This thing is still woefully too small.  Before you do anything else fix the dimensions

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BMP

Chassis Length Overall (m) 6.72

Height Overall (m) 2.45

Width Overall (m) 3.15

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTR70

dimensions (LxWxH m)  7.85x2.8x2.45<span id='postcolor'>

They are roughly the same size but if you compare them in game the BMP dwarfs your BTR....

[edc 0]

Has anyone put up a mirror yet? It downloads so d*mn slow.

[drewb99 0]

Don't forget that the OFP BMP is out of scale

[Vikingo 0]

Hi there!

Please I need a mirror server for the file. If you can host it contact me with a private message so I can send the file (3 MB) via email. Thanks!

Now some comments

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thanks for helping Sea Demon out Vinkingo!  You made all the changes that I also wanted to see.  Thanks!!!  <span id='postcolor'>

Glad you like the changes Chris G.! Hope Sea Demon will like them also and place them in future versions. Thanks!

The addon is only for Resistance (1.75+) Please don't hot link to the ZIP file. It will don't download. Use the main download page This free server su$#@ so I hope to have a mirror soon...

jaja Exocet Argentino tenes razon! Pero bueno el creador del addon original (Sea Demon) lo armo para el Resistance...

Sadico si podes contactate con Exocet asi le ayudas  a cambiarlo para 1.46 gracias.

Translation:  hehe Exocet Argentino you are right but Sea Demon the creator of the addon think it for Resistance.

Sadico if you can contact Exocet so you can help him to convert it for 1.46. Thanks!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PLEASE bring back the old sight (reticle) for the gunner. it should be easy to improve its quality and it would help so much for realism. especially if the scale takes reference of the bullet drop!!!<span id='postcolor'>

Sure in future versions will have again the old sight... Hope Sea Demon will make the center more clear. If you want I can make a special version with that sight you like. I just need a mirror for the files buuaa!!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They are roughly the same size but if you compare them in game the BMP dwarfs your BTR....<span id='postcolor'>

wow Mr ThunderMakeR! I didn't check that in game! You are right the BTR is very small... Hope Sea Demon will make it bigger in future versions...

At soon I get a mirror I will post it here. Thanks for try the addon!

 Vik

[munger 25]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drewb99 @ Dec. 18 2002,21:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't forget that the OFP BMP is out of scale  <span id='postcolor'>

Is it really? I've never really noticed that. Now that you mention it though, the BMP does seem somewhat large when you stand next to it. Hard to tell though if you've never been near one in real life.

I would like to congratulate Vikingo for improving this addon as he has. I didn't know you were skilled with O2 Vikingo? Great job anyway. Would it be possible for you to fix the missing lod and also to scale it up a bit to fit better with the other vehicles size wise? Also, the muzzle flash in the most recent release was a weird yellowy blue colour. Maybe you could look into this problem too?

[Vikingo 0]

Thanks Munger!! I'm not good with O2 hehe Really the BIG work belongs to SEA DEMON. I just edit little stuff on his model but I'm glad you enjoy the changes!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've never really noticed that. Now that you mention it though, the BMP does seem somewhat large when you stand next to it<span id='postcolor'>

LOL! yes, same here. Now I place the BTR with the BMP and stand next to them and I think that the BMP is the one that is too big compared to the mens hehe

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Would it be possible for you to fix the missing lod <span id='postcolor'>

hey! check that again Is fixed in this modified version

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">also to scale it up a bit to fit better with the other vehicles size wise? <span id='postcolor'>

I will try that...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, the muzzle flash in the most recent release was a weird yellowy blue colour. Maybe you could look into this problem too? <span id='postcolor'>

I just did that The big and strong flash we all love is back!!!    At soon I get a good mirror (and goes hehe) I will release it again with this asked change and other things... So please just wait.

Well now is time to sleep    but have hopes to dream with BTRs haha Thanks again Munger!

[Blake 0]

[Blake 0]

...as you can see, OFP scale is definately wrong - on BMP-2 & BMP-1 of course

I urge you NOT to make it any bigger 'to fit ofp scale' - they made the mistake not you. Why repeat it? Besides smaller size is an advantage against anti-tank weapons.

[Major Fubar 0]

I agree that it is BIS who is offscale...but...for the sake of gameplay, I feel it would be better to match it to the size of vehicles already ingame, otherwise it will look a bit silly on the battlefield with them.

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ Dec. 19 2002,09:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I agree that it is BIS who is offscale...but...for the sake of gameplay, I feel it would be better to match it to the size of vehicles already ingame, otherwise it will look a bit silly on the battlefield with them.<span id='postcolor'>

I agree...better to at least make it a little bit bigger so that it doesn't look so strange next to the BMP's and other vehicles.

If you put it next to the BRDM-2 scout car you see the same problem. It just looks really wierd and tiny compared to the BRDM.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[miles teg 1]

Oh by the way, Vikingo... I wanted to add that I also would prefer to see the old sites again. I prefered those. The ones you used are anti-aircraft gun sites and not appropriate for the BTR-70. While it can engage aircraft in real life, I'm fairly certain it uses traditional tank style optics with mil markings for range and elevation.

Also I think the Spetsnaz crew isn't realistic. I know that it has airborne markings on it, but I think that Spetsnaz normally do not make up the crew of BRDM's. I'd prefer to see the regular Russian soldiers that have helmets on their heads.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[munger 25]

I second those last two statements.

[Blake 0]

Your honor, objective.

[Andrew B 0]

I dissagree with resizing the btr-70. Why not just wait 'til someone makes to-scale BMP's and a BRDM?

A lot of BIS's stuff was improperly scaled I'm finding. Like all the rifles. It's pretty easy to fix though, if you make your own. Each square of the grid in O2 is one square meter.

I guess BIS can't really be blamed. I mean, how many game programmers outside the US have the opportunity to actually handle real military type rifles?

[Blake 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Andrew B @ Dec. 19 2002,23:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I guess BIS can't really be blamed. I mean, how many game programmers outside the US have the opportunity to actually handle real military type rifles?<span id='postcolor'>

Many of the BIS staff served in the Czech/Czechkoslovakian Army (I think they had conscription back then, correct me if wrong) - and thats probably one of the main reasons OFP is so realistic in many aspects. I think weapons are not so off-scale than vehicles.

[Mr ThunderMakeR 0]

The BMP and other BIS stuff is out of scale to what? the soldiers? If everything is out of scale compared to the soldier maybe its just the soldier that is out of scale and everything else is correct lol.

The fact is when you put it in a mission it looks a little bit ridiculous because its just so tiny . Try it yourself, just make a simple convoy mission with the BTR in there and youll see what i mean.

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Andrew B @ Dec. 19 2002,22:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dissagree with resizing the btr-70. Why not just wait 'til someone makes to-scale BMP's and a BRDM?

A lot of BIS's stuff was improperly scaled I'm finding. Like all the rifles. It's pretty easy to fix though, if you make your own. Each square of the grid in O2 is one square meter.

I guess BIS can't really be blamed. I mean, how many game programmers outside the US have the opportunity to actually handle real military type rifles?<span id='postcolor'>

And how long will that be? Then you'll need to resize every other vehicle as well to get everything in proper proportion. It's simply not going to happen. You'd have to tell the guy who made the T72/T90 mods to resize all his tanks also. Maybe if enough people did that it'll happen, but so far it hasn't happened and I seriously doubt it will happen unless someone makes a big pack that includes properly sized vehicles.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Major Fubar 0]

Can someone put a zoom on the turret optics view, as all other ingame vehicles have a zoom.

[Andrew B 0]

Well, I've always been one to want to correct a problem rather than just slapping on a quick fix… even if it takes a while.

If you look at things in oxygen, you'll notice that the soldiers are all about 6ft tall. This is in scale with everything else in the game, except for a few of the vehicles. The scale is pretty simple. A grid square is one square meter. BIS probably just didn't have/couldn't afford the time to painstakingly check the scale of each object.

I only wish BIS could get the time to fix this. It should only take about five minutes per vehicle. Not that I think they will, as it's only cosmetic. All you would have to do is select the entire vehicle, make the whole thing smaller by dragging with ctrl+shift, check the grid to see what the length and height have been changed to, and then compare that with the known data concerning the size of the vehicle (available online at any number of military info sites).

Blake, I'm not sure what the laws are like over there (where BIS is), but I don't think they had any of those rifles sitting in their laps when they modeled them.

When I modeled my AR-180B, I found that having it right in front of me helped to give me an idea of how it should be proportioned in comparison with the soldiers in the game. I also found that, when I finished my rifle, it acted as a yardstick to help me determine how the scales and proportions of the other weapons in the game should be. Some examples would be: 1) The receiver on the M-16 is too big, while the stock and barrel/front handguards are too short, 2) the AK-74 is too small, and has some other small problems with it besides just scale, 3) the magazines on Fliper's M4's were too long plus a couple of other small inaccuracies, etc.

But this is beside the main point I wanted to get across.

I'm suggesting we start making the vehicles in the proper scale now because, as Miles Teg seemed to me to indicate, this isn't going to happen all at once.

So, if any of you want to see proper scaling in OPF vehicles, we'd better start now; progressively. Otherwise, it simply won't happen because everyone will be sitting around waiting for it to happen all at once.

To sum things up, it's going to happen progressively, or not at all.

Simply decide if it's something you really want or not.