The Iraq Thread

[USSoldier11B 0]

Quote[/b] ]Since it's the BBC probably not getting invited for afternoon tea counts as a vicious attack.

Remarks like this are one of the reasons I respect you.

[Jinef 2]

Oh dear, what a terrible slander that has befallen us...quick Gerald (my dear and trusty servant) send a telegram to Whitehall. We must gather an Armada and route these pesky emmigrants...how dare they with insolent tones mock our great empire and it's substance.

Good day to you sir!

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Oh dear, what a terrible slander that has befallen us...quick Gerald (my dear and trusty servant) send a telegram to Whitehall. We must gather an Armada and route these pesky emmigrants...how dare they with insolent tones mock our great empire and it's substance.

Good day to you sir!

Yes, and make sure you get Paratrooper the Artillery Officer formerly of these forums on the line too so he can drop a 105 shell down Denoirs chimmney (although I doubt he has one living in an apartment).

Rule Brittania and God save the Queen! (and the fascist regime ).

On topicish: I think the 'occupation' of Iraq is not going to get much smoother too soon. If the US wants to stay in Iraq long term I think they are going to have to accept quite a few flag covered coffins going home in the coming years.

[Jinef 2]

Well that is what we have been saying.

[ralphwiggum 6]

continuous battle

US tank ambushed in "systemic" manner.

[FallenPaladin 0]

Seems like the people down there are now getting warmed up more and more.

Imagine they blow up the new Burger King at Saddam Airport! Would be as bad as burning the US flag .

[USSoldier11B 0]

Quote[/b] ]Imagine they blow up the new Burger King at Saddam Airport! Would be as bad as burning the US flag .

1. Burger King is Lousy

2. It's Baghdad International Airport

[Die Alive 0]

I would think that a prestigious place such as Baghdad international airport would have an Arby's before any other fast food restaurant.  

I'm so hungy, i can eat at Arby's!

Ewwwwww!!!!

-=Die Alive=-

[PitViper 0]

Quote[/b] ]Imagine they blow up the new Burger King at Saddam Airport! Would be as bad as burning the US flag .

1. Burger King is Lousy

2. It's Baghdad International Airport

perhaps FallenPaladin wants Saddam back in power.

[FallenPaladin 0]

Quote[/b] ]Imagine they blow up the new Burger King at Saddam Airport! Would be as bad as burning the US flag .

1. Burger King is Lousy

2. It's Baghdad International Airport

perhaps FallenPaladin wants Saddam back in power.  

Why?

/me strokes his stomach in which 2 large fries, 2 hamburgers, 2 hot chili burgers and 1 barbecue burger are buried.

Saddam was a terrible badass who commited crimes against humanity. Bush Jr. is a not so bad badass (in comparison to Saddam Hussein) who also commited crimes. How far they were against humanity (unprovoked war and so on) has to be judged in future.

[PitViper 0]

[quote name=PitViper,June 13 2003,21:07

perhaps FallenPaladin wants Saddam back in power.  

Why?

/me strokes his stomach in which 2 large fries, 2 hamburgers, 2 hot chili burgers and 1 barbecue burger are buried.  

Saddam was a terrible badass who commited crimes against humanity. Bush Jr. is a not so bad badass (in comparison to Saddam Hussein) who also commited crimes. How far they were against humanity (unprovoked war and so on) has to be judged in future.

it's a joke.

[bn880 5]

Finally someone has figured out the prime motivation for invading Iraq: Pravda czy ne pravda

Hillarious...

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Finally someone has figured out the prime motivation for invading Iraq: Pravda czy ne pravda

 

 Hillarious...

Maybe Saddam escaped in his UFO along with his good buddy Osama and soon theres going to be a UFO hovering above the White House

And with a cry of 'all your base are belong to us!' the White House will be turned to dust.

Definetely the most realistic scenario yet

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Finally someone has figured out the prime motivation for invading Iraq: Pravda czy ne pravda

 

 Hillarious...

And you complain about American media? And it isn't like this a tabloid or anything, this is a major news organ.

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

Id trust Pravda over BBC propaganda anyday. Their translations are often very funny . Every good Russian knows that the cold war was lost only thanks to an American deal with evil aliens to undermine the soviet system!

Anyway they acknowledge

Quote[/b] ]"This story seems to be absolutely unlikely. As we see, the source of the information is just a Russian colonel, some Petrokov. If no additional information follows in connection with the case, it may be still considered just doubtful anonymous rumors."

So due to this paragraph, some nagging doubts remain in mind about whether Iraq was reverse engineering alien craft in a secret underground bunker hidden in a mountinous summer retreat where aliens come to visit Saddam

So this is absolutly unlikely people but BY NO MEANS IMPOSSIBLE!

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the truth is out there...

[Guest]

Pravda used to be a good and solid propaganda outlet. It had the best and brightest and most politically um.. "educated" Soviet reporters. Look what has become! BBC, behold, this is probably your future too.

No but seriously, for real russian news, read ITAR-TASS instead. Also a relic from the Soviet Union, but it managed to keep its dignity.

Pravada is just another tabloid today.

[Guest]

US soldiers kill 82 in Iraq. Witnesses say some been summarily executed.

Quote[/b] ]US soldiers kill 82: report

By Lamia Radi in Sahl, Iraq

June 15, 2003

A MASSIVE US army attack on a desert training camp in Iraq earlier this week killed 82 fighters, some of whom appeared to have been summarily executed, according to witness reports today.

"In total 82 people died in the camp" including at least one non-Iraqi, AFP was told by the imam of the main mosque in the village of Rawa, near the camp at Sahl, near Iraq's border with Syria.

Rawa villagers who went to the camp found the corpses of seven people who had been handcuffed and shot in the forehead, chest or in the back of the head, the imam, Sheikh Gharbi Abdul Aziz, said.

He said the villagers had found another 50 bodies all in a line at the camp, which appears to have been used as a training ground by die-hard supporters of ousted leader Saddam Hussein.

"What I saw was unspeakable. I can't get over the sight of all these young people dead. Some were handcuffed," Abd al-Wujud, a driver who said he helped carry the corpses out of the camp, told AFP.

The imam said he had taken part in the burial of the 82 bodies, "some were in pieces or totally burnt".

The fighting erupted at dawn on Thursday at the camp, which included an arms dump, and lasted 13 hours, according to residents from Rawa, 350km northwest of Baghdad.

They said the camp had been bombed and that a gunbattle between US troops and the fighters had followed shortly afterwards.

The US army had fired at least six cluster bombs, they added.

The imam said villagers had carried 60 bodies from the camp and seven more from a site nearby, where a US helicopter had come down on Thursday. They were all buried at Rawa cemetery.

An AFP correspondent saw 15 more graves at the camp marked by wooden sticks.

"When the bombing stopped on Thursday and when the Americans left, residents came and picked up loads of flesh and gore," said Abd al-Hadi Mahmud, a local garage owner.

"Some bodies were completely torn to pieces - feet, legs, skulls."

"When they came to the village, they never did us any harm. They were polite," he added.

Bloodstained mattresses and pieces of discarded weaponry seen at the camp testified to the remorselessness of the attack.

The 15 graves seen at the camp were marked by bottles bearing the names of those among the dead whose bodies had been identified.

They included Osama Mahfudh Salem from Yemen and Abd as-Sattar Mohammad from Fallujah, a conservative Sunni Muslim town west of the Iraqi capital, which has seen sustained anti-US violence.

US Central Command said a US Apache helicopter was apparently shot down by hostile fire in western Iraq on Thursday but that its two crew members were not injured.

"Two additional Apache helicopters assisted in engaging irregular forces in the vicinity of the downed aircraft," a Centcom statement said.

[Goeth 0]

Rawa villagers who went to the camp found the corpses of seven people who had been handcuffed and shot in the forehead, chest or in the back of the head, the imam, Sheikh Gharbi Abdul Aziz, said.

That´s sad

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

It certainly is very sad but assuming that that particular series of events is true, it is not clear

A. that Americans handcuffed those seven people,

B. that Americans shot them (knowingly or unknowingly)

or C. that the Americans even knew of their existence..

Also i would question the precision of the bodycount. The Imam states that many bodies where blown apart so how without forensic investigation could a precise number be arrived at?

Anyway this report strongly indicates that there were and likely still are significant groupings of armed Iraqis opposed to the coalition. If they were organised well then they would be convinced by this attack into working more discretely in a more dispersed way and especially inside urban areas. But from previous anti-coalition actions im not actually sure that will happen.

[Longinius 1]

"It certainly is very sad but assuming that that particular series of events is true, it is not clear

A. that Americans handcuffed those seven people,

B. that Americans shot them (knowingly or unknowingly)

or C. that the Americans even knew of their existence.."

Just out of curiosity. If it had been the reversed situation and the dead guys had been Americans.

Would you even have bothered

A. asking if the Iraqis had handcuffed them

B. asking if Iraqis shot them

or C. asking if the Iraqis even know about them

Or would you just assume the Iraqis did it?

[Guest]

Well, the fact is that US troops were attacking the place and secured it. There were some non-US people executed there.

It doesn't require much of a suspention of disbelief to connect those two. If they are indeed connected I don't think it was ordered from CentCom but probably an act of individual soldiers.

Rember the British soldier who got caught after developing a film in the UK of him humiliating and torturing Iraqi prisoners? How many do you think roam around free that didn't take any pictures and did far worse things?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Irregular guerrillas have no protection under the Geneva Convention, and their summary execution is not illegal (distasteful, but not illegal).

Quote[/b] ]2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

© That of carrying arms openly;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

these are some of the conditions needed to be under protection as a POW.

[Guest]

True. The Geneva conventions were not formed with this type of combat in mind. It was created with western military organizations in mind. IMO many things need revision.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

True. The Geneva conventions were not formed with this type of combat in mind. It was created with western military organizations in mind. IMO many things need revision.

Hell, all they have to do is pick a leader, call themselves the Iraqi People's Liberation Front, start attaching a green and black armband to their shirts, and they'll be all set.

[ralphwiggum 6]

BBC news on the same subject

seems like "carrots and sticks" are in place.