Schoeler 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just so you know, I wouldnt put it past Bush et al to fake up some evidence 'proving' that Iraq still possesed WMD. What I dont believe is that it will be done by the regular army. I dont trust anyone in the Bush Administration any farther than I can throw them. The only man that i believe has even a shred of integrity is Colin Powell, and as I see it he's going to be the fall guy if the war goes poorly for US forces. Namely he didnt do his job well enough to avoid a conflict, and off he goes. Shame really <span id='postcolor'> I couldn't agree with you more. I'm no fan of the Bush administration or Bush. I voted for Al Gore, not because I liked him, but because I thought he was better than the alternative. I campaigned for John McCain as I feel that he is an honorable man. In fact, I too believe Colin Powell is the only man with integrity in the entire administration, and I took some small comfort with having him as a voice of reason in the White House after the election. I guess I was wrong there. Powell's efforts at taking a more moderate tack have been commendable, but I think he's going to take the fall should the war go badly, as well. The only comfort I take from all of this, and that I currently support the war, is that both McCain and Powell have said its necessary, and I don't think either of them would be saying that simply to toe the party line. Both men are combat veterans with a history of standing up for what they believe in. Let's hope they are right. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> see a LOT of Iraqi forces on the front liens surrendering in short order. It appears that most of the Republican Guards units are farther back, so I would fully expect the front line troops to be less than willing to be rolled over The true test is whether the RG starts surrendering once they are engaged in combat with US/UK forces. And I am not sure how long that will be. <span id='postcolor'> The reports I've been getting are that the regular Iraqi Army units near the border are not expected to put up much of a fight, but the military is anticipating a good fight from the Republican Guard units, house to house in the cities. I think those expectations are realistic if not daunting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Thats the thing,assuming all the iraqi ppl know of the deadline i would guess most of them would be hiding now so if we went in now the fight would be harder for our troops but civilian casualties may be lower Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Anyone else find it very ironic that the first shots of the war have been fired by Kuwait? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col. Kurtz 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Mar. 20 2003,10:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone else find it very ironic that the first shots of the war have been fired by Kuwait?<span id='postcolor'> *puts on voice from the game worms* Revenge! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted March 20, 2003 I think it was reported a bit back in the thread. On the news here it periodicly shows u footage from a camera from baghdad but wheres this coming from? a hidden camera,hidden journalists or from a long range camera at a safer distance away?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col. Kurtz 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Mar. 20 2003,11:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think it was reported a bit back in the thread. On the news here it periodicly shows u footage from a camera from baghdad but wheres this coming from? a hidden camera,hidden journalists or from a long range camera at a safer distance away??<span id='postcolor'> There are still journalists in Baghdad, just not many. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they started it. And we must not allow ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war, for our position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy. -- Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson (US representative and chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg war crimes trials, 1945.)<span id='postcolor'> How times change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Othin 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Air Raid Sirens and AAA fire in Bagdhad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Just announced that Bush will be talking at 10:15...half hour away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Othin 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Ari Fleisher came out and said "The opening stages of the disarmament of Iraq have begun. The President will brief the nation at 1015est." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted March 20, 2003 And Bush will address the nation at 10:15 eastern time. Looks like it should be starting any time now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jester983 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Othin @ Mar. 19 2003,06:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Air Raid Sirens and AAA fire in Bagdhad.<span id='postcolor'> NOT AAA! Thats our motor vechile insurance! Oh The Monsters! Oh the madness! I think they're just doing it to get attention. I heard earlier that this happend like yesterday or earlier today... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Ari has confirmed that the war has begun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Well, I guess we find out what happens now. Although what we would be doing launching airstrikes at dawn... I have no idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 20 2003,03:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ari has confirmed that the war has begun.<span id='postcolor'> Really? All I heard him say is that hte Presdent would address the nation at 10:15. Sounds like a cruise missile attack on a 'Target of Opportunity' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Mostly cruise missiles I believe...not so much actual air strikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 20 2003,03:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mostly cruise missiles I believe...not so much actual air strikes.<span id='postcolor'> true. Well, I guess we see what's up in 15 minutes. All I know is that it's going to be a long day for Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 20 2003,03:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 20 2003,03:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ari has confirmed that the war has begun.<span id='postcolor'> Really? All I heard him say is that hte Presdent would address the nation at 10:15. Sounds like a cruise missile attack on a 'Target of Opportunity'<span id='postcolor'> Ari came out and said "the operation had begun", and then BBC came back and said Ari had officially confirmed that the war had begun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 20 2003,03:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 20 2003,03:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 20 2003,03:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ari has confirmed that the war has begun.<span id='postcolor'> Really? All I heard him say is that hte Presdent would address the nation at 10:15. Sounds like a cruise missile attack on a 'Target of Opportunity'<span id='postcolor'> Ari came out and said "the operation had begun", and then BBC came back and said Ari had officially confirmed that the war had begun.<span id='postcolor'> My bad. I cant see them starting in daylight. That just makes no sense at all. But then...this is the Bush Administration I can see cruise missile attacks through the day, and airstrikes and arty on the borders of Iraq and such... but a full blown operation setting off in daylight? Yikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jester983 0 Posted March 20, 2003 So it begins. Fox News just said that the White House has just declared that the war has begun. Talk about your time of choosing huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Othin 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Well the thing is, it was a Target of Opportunity. This gives them a chance to hit something they felt was a threat, and to also let the Iraqi military know that the gloves are officially off now, don't get comfortable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turms 0 Posted March 20, 2003 Its not going to be easy US troops to occupy Bagdad,look at it...Bagdad(big file) It's actually really big. 16mb big. Beware, 56K users! -Warin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted March 20, 2003 White House confirms that they were cruise missile attacks against targets of opportunity- notably Iraqi leaders. That makes a little more sense, and is probably about the most effective alarm clock ever used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted March 20, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (turms @ Mar. 20 2003,04:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Its not going to be easy US troops to occupy Bagdad,look at it...Bagdad(big file) It's actually really big. 16mb big. Beware, 56K users! -Warin<span id='postcolor'> Yes. Absolute nightmare as far as a ground operations are concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
