The Iraq Thread

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Dec. 14 2002,02:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it's always easier to criticize, but it's harder to set a standard.<span id='postcolor'>

That is true, and very important to remember when judging anyone or any situation. good point

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> US is by no means a good standard setter, but neither is rest of the world.<span id='postcolor'>

Somewhat disagree, I think there are countries who are much better standards than the US... even Poland, sure it's a mess now, but as far as I know, never caused much international hardship, never started any of the wars it won or lost. Not known to keep political prisonners in a democratic state, not known to bully anyone. (I am not a historical expert, but I think this is right)

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (hugo2020 @ Dec. 14 2002,10:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">do you know that link? It is a new office for homeland security.

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/<span id='postcolor'>

thats not the office of homeland security. thats a military site.

[PitViper 0]

I have a feeling the Euros don't understand AQ's motivations.  When AQ launches a major terrorism event against Europe (which is in their plans),  will Europe be outright confused?

[PitViper 0]

1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Dec. 14 2002,021)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">here's what i reiterate at this point.

if US doesn't get involved, world bitches. if US does get involved they still bitch.

Afghan: Afghanis wanted to kick Soviet's butt. so they got help from US. is that wrong? maybe Afghans should have let USSR rule them and they would be happy. and when US left as soon as Soviets did, was that wrong? if US stayed, that would be deemed as 'The Great Satan is forcing itself on us.' For once US stayed away, and it lets Taliban do whatever they want, and when US went in after 9-11, world bitches. did rest of the world give any consideration to Afghanistan before 9-11? any aid of considerable size?

one thing is about the cause of 9-11. it caused some twisted mind to think that they are divinely right to attack civilians. with their logic, it wouldn't be a bad idea to start another fanatical religious war. heck send Rush Limbaugh out! he'll scare the lights out of Osama with his manly posture!  

so here is the problem. everyone who scrutnizes US' s policy usually ask for some absolute righteousness in US's action. however do they do that? seldom. French gov't. they are not opposing war on Iraq because of their consciousness, but because of their oil profit. they heavily invested in Iraq at the moment and they don't want to loose it. I'm pretty sure first thing French gov't will do when war happens(hope not) is ask US for a slack in thir investment. they will protest US's action, but in the back alley deal, they will try to protect their money, not Iraqi civilians.

another thing that world is denying in themselves is that they are not doing becuase it's completely "US is wrong and they are right", but it's because they masturbate by being something that goes against what is percieved to be a dominant force in world-US.

did anyone of countries that oppose US's current politics do effective measure? UN was unable to send it's inspectors back in until recently. it's only when US does something, that anti-US ppl stand up, and during the time that there is hardly any one, they usually don't do a thing that will set the precedent of what should be done.

it's always easier to criticize, but it's harder to set a standard. US is by no means a good standard setter, but neither is rest of the world.<span id='postcolor'>

good post.  Remember the Euros fumbling around with Bosnia/Kosovo until the U.S got involved?  (I actually oppose U.S involvement in the region however. That is strictly a european problem.)

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 14 2002,10:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Dec. 14 2002,021)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it's always easier to criticize, but it's harder to set a standard.<span id='postcolor'>

That is true, and very important to remember when judging anyone or any situation. good point

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> US is by no means a good standard setter, but neither is rest of the world.<span id='postcolor'>

Somewhat disagree, I think there are countries who are much better standards than the US... even Poland, sure it's a mess now, but as far as I know, never caused much international hardship, never started any of the wars it won or lost. Not known to keep political prisonners in a democratic state, not known to bully anyone. (I am not a historical expert, but I think this is right)<span id='postcolor'>

Since Pit viper made 3 posts to swap the page over I want to repost this so Ralph doesn't miss it.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 14 2002,11:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since Pit viper made 3 posts to swap the page over I want to repost this so Ralph doesn't miss it.<span id='postcolor'>

Are you saying that Poland is a better world leader? heh  Don't confuse its relatively low international influence for righteousness.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 14 2002,07:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Try to be more considerate of countries who's government your government dosen't happen to find convenient.<span id='postcolor'>

Cuba? Russia's old nuclear missile storage facility? Our communist neighbors? Do you really expect the U.S. to make friends with a country who's political system we've sworn against? Please...<span id='postcolor'>

*cough* free trade with China *cough* perestroika and glasnost with the USSR *cough*

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Dec. 14 2002,11:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 14 2002,11:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since Pit viper made 3 posts to swap the page over I want to repost this so Ralph doesn't miss it.<span id='postcolor'>

Are you saying that Poland is a better world leader? heh Don't confuse its relatively low international influence for righteousness.<span id='postcolor'>

EDIT: No I am saying you made 3 posts in a matter of minutes and switched the forum page.

I did not realize we want a country to rule the world. Sorry.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Dec. 14 2002,11:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 14 2002,07:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Try to be more considerate of countries who's government your government dosen't happen to find convenient.<span id='postcolor'>

Cuba? Russia's old nuclear missile storage facility? Our communist neighbors? Do you really expect the U.S. to make friends with a country who's political system we've sworn against? Please...<span id='postcolor'>

*cough* free trade with China *cough* perestroika and glasnost with the USSR *cough*<span id='postcolor'>

And swearing against communism is not even very intelligent. It's just like swearing against a religion.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 14 2002,17:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Dec. 14 2002,11:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 14 2002,07:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Try to be more considerate of countries who's government your government dosen't happen to find convenient.<span id='postcolor'>

Cuba? Russia's old nuclear missile storage facility? Our communist neighbors? Do you really expect the U.S. to make friends with a country who's political system we've sworn against? Please...<span id='postcolor'>

*cough* free trade with China *cough* perestroika and glasnost with the USSR *cough*<span id='postcolor'>

And swearing against communism is not even very intelligent. It's just like swearing against a religion.<span id='postcolor'>

Exactly, which brings me back to what I said earlier:

Try to be more considerate of countries who's government your government dosen't happen to find convenient.

and

"it's their way of life so leave them the hell alone"

In the case of Cuba the only people the US policy towards it hurts, especially the embargo, is the ordinary citizens.. And then some wonder why Castro can stay in power so easily, it's because he can just point north and say "you see, they've put a wall around us. They try to inprison us and starve us. They're the enemy". If you loosen up, ideas start flowing and maybe things can change.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 14 2002,11:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I did not realize we want a country to rule the world. Sorry.  <span id='postcolor'>

We don't. That doesn't stop us from noting different levels of influence. jeez..

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Dec. 14 2002,11:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 14 2002,11:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I did not realize we want a country to rule the world. Sorry. <span id='postcolor'>

We don't. That doesn't stop us from noting different levels of influence. jeez..<span id='postcolor'>

So you just wanted to take my point off topic.

BTW: Poland was not always without power, check the history a little. Anyway, I used Poland as an example I probably know best.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 14 2002,17:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And swearing against communism is not even very intelligent.  It's just like swearing against a religion.<span id='postcolor'>

lol!...so communism is religion! j/k

ok on less lighter note:

ok some countries might be able to claim that they are not as shakey as US. however, a counter question would be: have you been is that situation?

i'm not picking on Poland, but does Poland have degree of international action initiative on the scale comparable with that of US?

in other words, is it sensible to ask if some country goes on 'sticking their nose in international affair' maintain degree of righteousness that they claimed as before?

i doubt it. France tests nuclear weapons away from it's mainlad despite claiming it is safe, Russia tends to pretty much act like US only in their favor, and etc.

so instead of criticizing US, i'd like to see more of standard setting by them on international scale.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Dec. 14 2002,08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if US doesn't get involved, world bitches. if US does get involved they still bitch.<span id='postcolor'>

You know, Ralph, repeating somehting several times does not make it more true  <!--emo& The world bitches at the combination of those two. The US does not get involved in many situations and then expects the world to follow its ideas:

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World: Let's play ICC!

US: No! I don't want to play with you. Playing ICC sucks! You all suck.

World: Um, weren't you the one that forced Slobo to play ICC yesteday?

US: Screw you you illoyal commie bastards! Go and

play with your friend Osama. Sniff. Nobody understands me.

(Two seconds later).

US: Come on gang! Let's play beat up Saddam!".

Wolrd:Um...Don't think so. Get lost.

US:: What are you talking about? I am not doing this for myself. Punching Saddam will be fun for all friends and allies!

World: Piss off.

US: Everybody hates us because they are jealous that we come up with the best games.

Tony Blair: Wait master wait! I want to play.

British population: [Lookas away, very embarrassed, making a mental note of electing something with a spine for PM next time].

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember the Euros fumbling around with Bosnia/Kosovo until the U.S got involved?  <span id='postcolor'>

Yes, Kosovo was a nice US/NATO fuckup. I won't however hold it against you since it was done (at least on the political level) for a good cause.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">(I actually oppose U.S involvement in the region however. That is strictly a european problem.)

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Oh, really? But you don't oppose European involvement in Afganistan and Iraq? As I see it it is a strictly American problem.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You continue to think that "top secret" or "covert" gives your government some special rights... I know exactly what classified, secret, top secret, covert etc. is, and let me tell you by example<span id='postcolor'>

You obviously didn't read what I said.

Because it was covert, we couldn't get involved bringing up their government. If we did, everyone would know without a doubt that the U.S. was involved in Afghanistan. That could of increased tensions with the U.S.S.R, maybe even started another war.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are full of double standards pilot, I belive you need to change, even if you don't yet.<span id='postcolor'>

You are full of double standards einstein, I believe you need to change, even if you don't yet.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">*cough* free trade with China *cough* perestroika and glasnost with the USSR *cough*<span id='postcolor'>

China is on it's way out of communism, and so was the U.S.S.R. when we did perestroika.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And swearing against communism is not even very intelligent. It's just like swearing against a religion.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, if that religion was believed to be a threat to our country, yes.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Dec. 14 2002,18:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok some countries might be able to claim that they are not as shakey as US. however, a counter question would be: have you been is that situation?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes. We have a history of many hundred years of political and military fuckups. We learn from our mistakes. If anybody knows anything about the causes and effects of international politics. We have been at war and negotiating with each other since the stone age.

We have that knoweldge hardwired in our political systems, our culture and general society. The US is a little kid with no experience of its own. So the wise thing would be to listen to Europe: we know what we are talking about.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 14 2002,18:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">*cough* free trade with China *cough* perestroika and glasnost with the USSR *cough*<span id='postcolor'>

China is on it's way out of communism, and so was the U.S.S.R. when we did perestroika.<span id='postcolor'>

Good heavens, you are delusional!

The Chinese are as far from abandoning their weird form of 'communism' as the Americans are from embracing socialism and actually taxing corporations to provide health care for everyone at no cost.

The chinese are every bit as totalitarian as they have always been. And they arent even making token reforms in human rights policies.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Dec. 14 2002,18:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Dec. 14 2002,18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok some countries might be able to claim that they are not as shakey as US. however, a counter question would be: have you been is that situation?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes. We have a history of many hundred years of political and military fuckups. We learn from our mistakes. If anybody knows anything about the causes and effects of international politics. We have been at war and negotiating with each other since the stone age.

We have that knoweldge hardwired in our political systems, our culture and general society. The US is a little kid with no experience of its own. So the wise thing would be to listen to Europe: we know what we are talking about.<span id='postcolor'>

unfortunately, that hardwired sense did not operate correctly when it couldn't stop from US intervening in Kosovo Crisis. and not to mention colonialization of Africa and Asia which was less than a century ago.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">World: Let's play ICC!

US: No! I don't want to play with you. Playing ICC sucks! You all suck.

World: Um, weren't you the one that forced Slobo to play ICC yesteday?

US: Screw you you illoyal commie bastards! Go and

play with your friend Osama. Sniff. Nobody understands me.

(Two seconds later).

US: Come on gang! Let's play beat up Saddam!".

Wolrd:Um...Don't think so. Get lost.

US:: What are you talking about? I am not doing this for myself. Punching Saddam will be fun for all friends and allies!

World: Piss off.

US: Everybody hates us because they are jealous that we come up with the best games.

Tony Blair: Wait master wait! I want to play.

British population: [Lookas away, very embarrassed, making a mental note of electing something with a spine for PM next time.<span id='postcolor'>

another story would be:

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US: let's not fight, let's just leave them alone and they'll figure it out. i'm going to stay the hell away from international affairs.

rest of the world: Isolationist!

(Jesse Helmes siggested isolationism before Bush got into Whitehouse, adn was immediately criticized for being an isolationist.)

next day:

US: I'm gonna get that guy who attaked me

rest of the world: imperialist!  <!--emo&

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warin's post

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The chinese are every bit as totalitarian as they have always been.  And they arent even making token reforms in human rights policies. <span id='postcolor'>

they do have token reforms! they are now making condomns legal!  

anyways, China just held 16th ppl's conference and altered their doctrine setforth by Mao. now, capitalist(or whatever they are called in China) are allowed to be a Communist party member. one by one, very slowly.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 14 2002,12:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You continue to think that "top secret" or "covert" gives your government some special rights... I know exactly what classified, secret, top secret, covert etc. is, and let me tell you by example<span id='postcolor'>

You obviously didn't read what I said.

Because it was covert, we couldn't get involved bringing up their government. If we did, everyone would know without a doubt that the U.S. was involved in Afghanistan. That could of increased tensions with the U.S.S.R, maybe even started another war. <span id='postcolor'>

What ever, then think of your other mistake where you mentioned "top secret". here

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I told you I have not looked into it, and I am not saying it is absolutely true, I give my info usually without sources, which is funny, because the U.S. claims it can not reveal it's info because it's sources will be revealed...<span id='postcolor'>

Don't tell me I have to explain what the term "top secret" means to someone with Albert Einstein for their avatar.

The U.S. isn't revealing their sources because if they do, their undercover

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are full of double standards pilot, I belive you need to change, even if you don't yet.<span id='postcolor'>

You are full of double standards einstein, I believe you need to change, even if you don't yet.

<span id='postcolor'> Stop being childish, I gave you a detailed explanation as to your double standard. Where is my double standard? Of course you did not cut and paste my logical explanation into this post, so here it is again

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am pissed at you pilot because you want to accept the U.S. + British claim of WMD in Iraq without proof just because they flash a term at you like "top secret". Yet you don't want to even pursue my hint of Iraqi families getting personal weapons from the Iraqi government when I do not disclose my information source, which could be "top secret" to me. (which it is not, and I am not acting nor insisting on this information)

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Furthermore, don't call me Einstein, he wouldn't waste his time with you anyway because you skip right over important logical statements, and keep on going without consideration.

They got you good down there... a real prisoner has his mind obeying others.

ENU

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 15 2002,02:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

Wow, someone's going all out with his hateful slogans this weekend.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am pissed at you pilot because you want to accept the U.S. + British claim of WMD in Iraq without proof just because they flash a term at you like "top secret". Yet you don't want to even pursue my hint of Iraqi families getting personal weapons from the Iraqi government when I do not disclose my information source, which could be "top secret" to me. (which it is not, and I am not acting nor insisting on this information)

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There's a difference between you not wanting to backing up your statements, and the U.S. not being able to back up it's statements

I'm not saying this again: the U.S. can not reveal its sources for the information they have. It would compromise them. It's just that simple.

You were saying you had information from a source without backing it up. The U.S. is saying they have information, but CANT back it up. I don't think I can dumb it down any more.

[bn880 5]

1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 14 2002,161)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 15 2002,02:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

Wow, someone's going all out with his hateful slogans this weekend.<span id='postcolor'>

Hateful slogans? Which? That I am pissed off at you? That's not hateful, thats another human emotion.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Dec. 14 2002,12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 14 2002,17:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And swearing against communism is not even very intelligent. It's just like swearing against a religion.<span id='postcolor'>

lol!...so communism is religion! <!--emo& j/k<span id='postcolor'>

Heh, cheap shots.

Actually the line between religion and government was pretty blurred for a long time, still is in some countries if I'm right.

Take that cheap ass shot...

EDIT: cheap shots, not sheep shots

EDIT2: take not thate

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stop being childish...<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">he wouldn't waste his time with you..<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> a real prisoner has his mind obeying others.<span id='postcolor'>

Seemed pretty hateful to me. Anyway, that's off topic.

I want to see what you have to say about my reponse to your "logical statement".

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Dec. 14 2002,20:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> We have that knoweldge hardwired in our political systems, our culture and general society. The US is a little kid with no experience of its own. So the wise thing would be to listen to Europe: we know what we are talking about.

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The action in Kosovo is nothing to be proud of. NATO bombings killed many more Albanians then the Serbs did and it kept Milosevic in power longer then he would have otherwise.

As for the colonialization, it started during the 15:th century. And it is my point exactly. Why not take a lesson from our mistakes instead of repeating them all over again  

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World: Let's play ICC!

US: No! I don't want to play with you. Playing ICC sucks! You all suck.

World: Um, weren't you the one that forced Slobo to play ICC yesteday?

US: Screw you you illoyal commie bastards! Go and

play with your friend Osama. Sniff. Nobody understands me.

(Two seconds later).

US: Come on gang! Let's play beat up Saddam!".

Wolrd:Um...Don't think so. Get lost.

US:: What are you talking about? I am not doing this for myself. Punching Saddam will be fun for all friends and allies!

World: Piss off.

US: Everybody hates us because they are jealous that we come up with the best games.

Tony Blair: Wait master wait! I want to play.

British population: [Lookas away, very embarrassed, making a mental note of electing something with a spine for PM next time].

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Wow this stuff is confusing me, aparantly there's a discussion between World and US but who the hell is Wolrd?

Have i missed something?