Army under fire for "sniper" video game...

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Tex, good post, you basically summed up the moral decay of the Western world over the past few decades.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">anything that middle aged conservatives can't understand<span id='postcolor'>

I don't think that being a conservative has anything to do with it, ignorant people find their way into all polictical parties.

Tyler

[Major Fubar 0]

Um, I didn't mean conservative in the political sense, more in the uptight, "rock-n-roll is evil" type sense.

You know, the same type of people who protest Marilyn Manson concerts, take Judas Priest to court because their loser son blows his head off, or try to sue Sony because thier Everquest-addicted-socially-retarded son tops himself.

[Longinius 1]

"The public should not know so much about the military unless they were actually in the military."

I disagree. I think the people should know as much as possible about the military and the government. Sure, some things are top secret but the rest should be public knowledge. Soldiers should not be seperated from civilians.

[Major Fubar 0]

To say OFP, AA and other realistic FPS train people how to kill is like saying after playing Gran Turismo you could jump in a high perfomance car and do stunts, or after playing Eurofighter Typhoon game you could jump in the cockpit of a jet fighter and fly it.

[advocatexxx 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ Oct. 31 2002,21:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Where can I D/L Americas Army, I've never bothered to yet.  I wanna see what they are having such a problem with.<span id='postcolor'>

Don't bother. I tried it. It's retarded.

[advocatexxx 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Oct. 31 2002,21:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jack Thompson, a father and a Miami attorney is fighting the Pentagon. He says it's wrong for the military to unleash this game on America's youth.

"I'm a father of a 10-year-old boy," Thompson says. "And every day I drop him off at school, I know that he's at greater risk because some of this classmates, as well as others in the general population, train obsessively in these shooter games."

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He has obviously never actually played the game. And he lives in Florida. And he's a lawyer. This guy is what I like to call "Ameritrash". Fucking leech.<span id='postcolor'>

Excatly.  These cock-sucking lawyers look for someone to sue over anything/anywhere.

A woman falls in a supermarket and breaks her arm over a spilled can of tomato sauce.  She sues the store for 10 million dollars.  Give me a fucking break.  A dumb bitch like that should go to jail for being dumb enough of walking over a spilled tomato sauce...  How hard is that to see ?  A red sauce on a floor... Uhhhhh let me walk over it, break my arm and sue for millions, that's the American way.

People like that should be fed to the sharks.  Sorry but that's just the worst of humanity.  Makes me sick.

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @ Nov. 01 2002,14:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A woman falls in a supermarket and breaks her arm over a spilled can of tomato sauce.  She sues the store for 10 million dollars.  Give me a fucking break.  A dumb bitch like that should go to jail for being dumb enough of walking over a spilled tomato sauce...  How hard is that to see ?  A red sauce on a floor... Uhhhhh let me walk over it, break my arm  and sue for millions, that's the American way.<span id='postcolor'>

That reminds me about these cigarette cases in court. Someone got billions of dollars for compensation just because he/she "didn't" know about dangers what smoking causes .

Blaming games is just ignoring your country's faults (US in this case has wierd gun laws). Or parent's faults in upbringning (in this case the father is doing the right thing when he is worried about his child in general).

In some cases violent games can even make people less aggressive, and in my opinion it's MUCH better to work off anger to games than harming other people .

Like posted before the military should not use any marketing ways to get more recruits, it's just agains't morals in my opinion.

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N.o.R.S.u @ Nov. 01 2002,15:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Like posted before the military should not use any marketing ways to get more recruits, it's just agains't morals in my opinion.<span id='postcolor'>

Marketing is necessary for an all-volunteer force. The other option is conscription, which is much more immoral IMHO.

Semper Fi

[PitViper 0]

this tee's me off.

Can we get them to try to ban Counter-Strike instead? All the brainless violent kiddies play that game NOT AA. I have played some extremely professional AA games online with former soldiers (as with OFP)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Oct. 31 2002,22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It´s not about the game intention. It is about the institution that spreads it. Government and Army should keep away from this. Is it reasonable that institutions that are representing the "last way to go" make a game about it ?<span id='postcolor'>

it's called "recruiting".

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ Nov. 01 2002,01:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Imagine all the online-player and e-sports-participants to be the next killers. There would be millions of bunny-hopping assassins!!! <span id='postcolor'>

2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ Nov. 01 2002,022)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That means movies and games, even like OPF. Sure, I play OPF. That is because it is out and there. That doesn't mean that I agree with it.<span id='postcolor'>

good. then you won't mind when the mods ban you for dissing OFP.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N.o.R.S.u @ Nov. 01 2002,09:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In some cases violent games can even make people less aggressive, and in my opinion it's MUCH better to work off anger to games than harming other people .<span id='postcolor'>

it's called an "outlet".

[advocatexxx 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Nov. 01 2002,10:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have played some extremely professional AA games online with former soldiers (as with OFP)<span id='postcolor'>

JoeXhAx0r: I was in the Army

PitViper: Wow cool, I'm playing with a real soldier!

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @ Nov. 01 2002,11:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PitViper:  Wow cool, I'm playing with a real soldier!<span id='postcolor'>

no.. hehe. I'm not fooled that easily

[red oct 2]

well whats the difference in AA and OFP? if AA has to go, wouldn't it be logical for OFP to be removed as well?

[FallenPaladin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Nov. 01 2002,17:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well whats the difference in AA and OFP? if AA has to go, wouldn't it be logical for OFP to be removed as well? <span id='postcolor'>

Why? It`s been made by a tzech firm, the US Army isn`t using it as spyware against you and you can play all sides!

[Warin 0]

Is litigation a right in the US constitution? Because people in the States sure seem to treat it like that! It seems bad up here in Canada too, but about 80% of suits I read about as happening in the States would likely get thrown out up here as frivolous.

Of course, the minute anyone says 'boo' about anything, the media latches onto it and goes insane reporting it to death and trying to make it into 'the next big thing'. SOmeone should sue them!

Placebo, I cleaned up the remains of Pit Vipers mega post and your replies

[sgtvor 0]

Well, to all you people that think the US army making a FPS is bad....I ask you this...

What's worse? Making a realistic killing game for the purpose of national service, or making one for money?

If you want to attack the US Army for it's morals, I suggest you put things in perspective before you attack.

Vor

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Nov. 01 2002,22:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Placebo, I cleaned up the remains of Pit Vipers mega post and your replies <span id='postcolor'>

Danke

One day you're going to make someone a fine bitch

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Oct. 31 2002,20:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have to repeat myself. He is right. An army should keep their nose out of this. They promote violence and war as solutions for problems. Do you want that ?<span id='postcolor'>

Well that's exactly what an army is for. To use force to project the will of the people of the country they fight for. And an army needs people to be part of it. I think that AA is a great recruiting tool that they came up with.

COLINMAN

[USMC Sniper 0]

It's better than forced service at least.

[Major Fubar 0]

[red oct 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ Nov. 01 2002,19:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Nov. 01 2002,17:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well whats the difference in AA and OFP? if AA has to go, wouldn't it be logical for OFP to be removed as well? <span id='postcolor'>

Why? It`s been made by a tzech firm, the US Army isn`t using it as spyware against you and you can play all sides!  <span id='postcolor'>

well being devloped in another country would have little to do w/ it. if these people have it there way, and remove AA than most likely ofp will follow too.

[ale2999 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Nov. 01 2002,17:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well whats the difference in AA and OFP? if AA has to go, wouldn't it be logical for OFP to be removed as well? <span id='postcolor'>

One of the advantage of ofp not being very popular

[red oct 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Nov. 02 2002,04:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Nov. 01 2002,17:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well whats the difference in AA and OFP? if AA has to go, wouldn't it be logical for OFP to be removed as well? <span id='postcolor'>

One of the advantage of ofp not being very popular <span id='postcolor'>

just so long as some sorry excuse for a parent doesn't discover the new official addon in patch 1.85 the resistance sniper which is waring fatigues, black ski mask, sniper rifle and a sub machine gun found commonly involved in gang shootings, drive by's, armed robberies and many other things. just think on how many will interprete that

[NavyEEL 0]

first of all, a lot of you have made a LOT of good posts. second of all, AA is a recruiting tool. the army has every right that the commercial industry has to make a video game. americas army doesnt teach you how to kill people or be a sniper. it shows you various aspects of the army, and teaches you to work as a team. you must work together to succeed on missions, you get points for communicating effectively, squad/fireteam leaders earn points for giving good orders to their units, and you LOSE points for attacking a teammate. hmm it sounds to me like the army is instilling POSITIVE values in america's youth. oh and another thing... you're ALWAYS against the terrorists! it teaches you to fight for your country. although, we all know that showing patriotism is oh so wrong... i mean seriously, what were we thinking when we actually started flying american flags and singing the national anthem just because we FELT like it?? lol anyway, i hope these idiots will realize that the real problems are their parenting (or lack of), and not the video games that we are exposed to.

[Major Fubar 0]

Just a note for the radical right out there: OFP penalizes you for shooting innocent civilians, and your squad will turn against you!

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ Nov. 02 2002,06:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just a note for the radical right out there: OFP penalizes you for shooting innocent civilians, and your squad will turn against you!<span id='postcolor'>

Hell, even yer fellow Spetsnaz will shoot you for doling out a little Marxism, Soviet style