Will-my-pc-run-Arma3? What cpu/gpu to get? What settings? What system specifications?

[Groove_C 267]

35 minutes ago, Dedmen said:

Keep in mind that Arma now has Large Pages support built-in already with a startparameter.

If large pages is making the big difference, you can already get it with the normal allocator.

I have large pages checked with Intel default one.

If I only change from Intel's default to cma_x64 and keep or recheck large pages in the launcher -> same FPS.

Selecting to launch arma3_x64.exe as admin, enabling large pages support via "secpol.msc" and having "cma.ini" in Arma 3 folder, @ 1440p ultra FPS increases from 44 to 50-51.

A friend, using the AVX2 dll with an i5-4570 3.4 GHz all cores + 1x8 GB RAM DDR3 1600 MHz CL11 + GTX 1060 6 GB @ 1080p ultra now has 28-29 FPS instead of 24.

[Dedmen 2727]

6 minutes ago, Groove_C said:

Selecting to launch arma3_x64.exe as admin, enabling large pages support via "secpol.msc"

Armas own hugePages support might need all of that too.

[Groove_C 267]

@Dedmen

It's not because of large pages, because large pages already enabled. It's because of AVX2 actually.

@ruPal already told, that testing the default cma_x64 dll with large pages enabled via "secpol.msc" and as admin gave him same FPS as with BI Intel default.

With AVX 4 FPS more and with AVX2 9 FPS more.

What is difficult to understand here?

[Dedmen 2727]

1 minute ago, Groove_C said:

What is difficult to understand here?

Just trying to make sure that the effect is really only AVX2, and not AVX2 combined with hugePages.

[ruPal 143]

14 minutes ago, Dedmen said:

Armas own hugePages support might need all of that too.

It is a pity that BI just through that flag in without any instructions about that. I used fred41's malloc and knew that large and huge pages are need more work to do to work because of that. Also it is pity that you are unable to check if hugepages enabled, like in fred41's malloc and _blub malloc, where you may check that in logs.

[Groove_C 267]

I have tested a lot of mallocs through the years, starting with A2.

And huge pages gave me "better" FPS only within the margin of error. But despite "same" FPS, it really helped on Altis, in the beginning, when it was lagging/stuttering and textures were loading not fast enough without huge pages and fred41's malloc solved this issue for me back then.

But AVX and especially AVX2 really boost FPS.

 

If not all CPUs support AVX and AVX2, why not include those mallocs in the list of the launcher with Intel's by default, that supports not higher than SSE, like now?

Several mallocs are already in the list as not default. Lets add AVX and AVX2 to the list of available ones.

[ruPal 143]

1 minute ago, Groove_C said:

And huge pages gave me "better" FPS (within margin of error).

In my situation, fred41's malloc gave me 2-3 FPS on FX8350 system. When I had 30-40FPS it was a good boost. What about AVX and AVX2, more tests needed. I run only 1 YAAB test per default and AVX mallocs without PC restarts in between.

 

6 minutes ago, Groove_C said:

But AVX and especially AVX2 really boost FPS.

More tests needed. Too early to give such conlcusions. Just run different mallocs yourself and test. To get proper results you will have to reboot PC when malloc switch because of large pages specific.

[Dedmen 2727]

2 minutes ago, ruPal said:

on FX8350 system

FX8350 doesn't support AVX2 sadly. I'm also on that CPU. That's why my allocators are only SSE2/AVX1

[Groove_C 267]

I've tested with 7 runs per AVX and per AVX2.

[strider42 64]

What benchmark are you guys using?  S

[Groove_C 267]

@strider42

Yet Another ArmA Benchmark

[ruPal 143]

1 hour ago, Groove_C said:

I've tested with 7 runs per AVX and per AVX2.

Personally I don't trust your results. If you do so, you won't refer to my result in your post and write 7 minutes later that you have tested it by yourself 7 times.
I have made second test run AVX vs AVX2 (didn't test default CMA vs Default CMA), but won't post results here. Don't want people to trust my results and want them to run test by themselves. Actually, I got contraversary results.

[Groove_C 267]

@Dedmen

My findings:

No FPS difference between:

Intel malloc (no admin + no huge pages launcher) vs. Intel malloc (huge pages launcher)

Intel malloc (no admin + no huge pages launcher) vs. Intel malloc (admin + huge pages launcher)

Intel malloc (no admin + no huge pages launcher) vs. Intel malloc (admin + huge pages windows + huge pages launcher)

 

1-2 FPS difference between Intel and cma_x64 AVX2 (admin + no huge pages windows).

6-7 FPS difference between Intel and cma_x64 AVX2 (admin + huge pages windows).

[Groove_C 267]

So basically it's not just about huge pages by itself, but the combination of huge pages with AVX2 maloc dll.

[oldbear 390]

You must always remember that even if YAAB is the best tool at hand, results in a run can be affected by many factors.

The main variation factor being the IA behavior.

So you can get up to a 5 FPS variation range in 10 tests made in a row.

 

And, as always, you must be cautious not to select results according to your hopes 🙄

 

[Groove_C 267]

I know what I'm doing. I run YAAB as many times as needed. If 3 results in a row are close enough, I make the average of them. If not, I let run YAAB more and then just drop results that are to fare ahead and/or behind from the rest of already available results. I can run YAAB 5-7-9 times to have the average and remove "suspicious" runs.

[ruPal 143]

After triple run with system reboot in between, I got:

CMA default: 66,9  (65,1; 67,1; 68,6)
CMA AVX: 66,3 (67,4; 64,8; 66,7)

CMA AVX2: 67,2 (70; 66,2; 65,6)

CMA vs CMA AVX vs CMA AVX2 delta is less than 1%. As we see the most FPS boost gives custom malloc with large pages support itself, not AVX or AVX2 instructions.

Personally, I choose AVX2 because it gave me absolute maximum - 70 FPS. Not sure but maybe CMA default and AVX may provide the same results in more runs. But still AVX2 gave me 69 and 70 FPS, CMA default and AVX gave me 68,6 max.

 

P. S. I think (didn't test), that there is no large or huge pages support in default arma 3 tbbmalloc, -hugepages parameter do nothing. So if you want play with large pages you have to run custom malloc. If somebody can check and test that, please do.

 

[Groove_C 267]

4 minutes ago, ruPal said:

P. S. I think (didn't test), that there is no large or huge pages support in default arma 3 tbbmalloc, -hugepages parameter do nothing. So if you want play with large pages you have to run custom malloc. If somebody can check and test that, please do.

+++

 

Definitely needs to be checked by somebody!

[Dedmen 2727]

7 minutes ago, ruPal said:

I think (didn't test), that there is no large or huge pages support in default arma 3 tbbmalloc

There should be. But might be broken, I tested it back when I made my allocators and don't remember the exact results.

It certainly exports a method that says it supports them, whether it's correctly implemented dunno.

[ruPal 143]

-hugepages do nothing for me. No influence on performance with tbbmalloc or cma.

[Groove_C 267]

Intel to release an i9-9900KS with 5.0 GHz boost all cores.

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-to-release-core-i9-9900ks-processor-runs-5-ghz-on-all-eight-cores.html?fbclid=IwAR2UHd1K_olA6O4VPXS3-c93zzbTZ-hejhtQ10_Sw77Ormd7C1Y4U4S2630

[Ball Race 1]

r7 3700x

32 gb ddr4 3000

gtx 970

mx500

 

will that run as good as SINTEL 9900 in KOTH(64 players)?

 

[Groove_C 267]

Ryzen needs higher RAM speeds than Intel. Not less than 3200 MHz RAM.

Ryzen 3xxx is capable of 4400 MHz RAM for sure and even 4600 MHz on high end motherboards!

Listen to this 😉

[Ball Race 1]

2 hours ago, Groove_C said:

Ryzen needs higher RAM speeds than Intel. Not less than 3200 MHz RAM.

Ryzen 3xxx is capable of 4400 MHz RAM for sure and even 4600 MHz on high end motherboards!

Listen to this 😉

i dont get how tiny 1200 MHz can give me 30 fps more lol

every ryzen 3rd gen can do 4400 MHz? 

if so, i should buy this?

even prefering 3rd gen to expensive intel ?

[HaseDesTodes 62]

1 hour ago, Ball Race said:

i dont get how tiny 1200 MHz can give me 30 fps more lol

every ryzen 3rd gen can do 4400 MHz? 

if so, i should buy this?

even prefering 3rd gen to expensive intel ?

 

Ryzen 3000 series CPUs will (almost certainly) be a good buy.

but since there are no proper benchmarks out yet (at least i haven't seen any) we can't tell you.

 

having a quick look in the benchmarks posted in the last month or two, i came to the conclusion, that Ryzen 2 are almost the same when it comes to FPS/GHz.

now AMD claims to have increased the IPC (instructions per cycle) by 15% so the performance per clock should increase as well. but we will have to see how well.

 

now the thing is, the I9 9900K has a maximum boost clock of 5GHz while the Ryzen7 3700X you mentioned has only 4.4GHz. so the intel has a 13.6% higher boost clock.

 

taking those figures into account, makes me believe, that the R7 3700X might be as fast as or only slightly slower than the I9 9900K.

but i think no one here will be able to give you a certain answer.

just wait until the official release, there will be benchmarks shortly after.

 

about the ram thing.

tests have shown, that faster ram, or ram with faster timings helps increasing the FPS in Arma3.

i would explain it this way (but without knowing for sure):

Arma requires lots of different data from the memory but no large files.

So the CPU will have to wait for that data in order to complete it's calculations. the faster the memory delivers the requested data, the faster the CPU can complete the calculation = higher FPS

faster Ram not only has higher bandwidth, but also can often respond in a shorter period of time, given the timings didn't suffer to much.